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If it’s on Wikipedia, it must be true!

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Sure. For the same reasons as if some claim appears in the supermarket checkout counter tabloids it must be true.

The tabs are probably stocked by the checkout because typical readers wouldn’t have visited the magazine section, where one could buy Scientific American or National Geographic.

Okay, seriously, a friend writes to complain about the usual garbage at Wikipedia about design in nature. He cites the site’s support for consensus science as an apparent justification for the clown car.

The last two times I heard the term, “consensus science,” were 1) the executive director of a do-nothing organization of Christians in science (which takes a back seat on design in nature) and 2) a top science writer denouncing consensus science as the last refuge of authoritarian mediocrities.

Maybe he and I have run into some of the same people.

Meanwhile, I hope our friend finds something more useful to do with his time than try to reform Wikipedia.

Its editors, whether or not they are sane non-criminals of the age of majority, likely grew up with the idea that science is metaphysical naturalism. Which – being the ultimate truth – is true even in a universe where our brains are shaped for fitness, not for truth.

Not only don’t they know things that cause doubt; they can’t know such things. So they just delete or rewrite them. And call whatever they are doing science writing.

Trying to “correct” Wikipedia is about as useful as trying to “correct” the supermarket checkout counter magazines. People who need to believe Wikipedia are typically a homework-driven version of the people who need to believe in “Hollywood dream weddings” and “Stars’ sad last days.”

So the attempt prompts the question: Why? Not the question: How?

That’s why profs who say they allow their students to use Wikipedia because it’s handy and free are so frustrating.

Come ON! Most of the World Wide Web is free. And there are many more responsible sources out there than Wikipedia.

Slate Magazine has discovered why one shouldn’t use it as a source. For one thing, Wikipedia can turn fiction into fact. Which is, like, okay. Because, once enough canards are in circulation, entire fictional scenarios can be created that are difficult to confute because they appear to be “well-sourced” via constant repetition.
We used to call such stuff baseless rumours. Now it is called “facts” from Wikipedia. Whatever.

“Wikipedia is my library” should be the new definition of sloth. Most of its core articles fail its own standards

To the extent that Wikipedia celebrates anarchy, it will forever be in the process of “cleaning up,” and never getting on with the job, not the way a body with more organization and discipline would.

But as long as all people want to say is that they consulted The Source Everyone Else Uses, it can just wiki on regardless.

See also:

Wikipedia shocked!, just shocked!! … that some editors act for pay to promote stuff. Or detract it, maybe?

Wikipedia hacked by elite sources now

Mathematician complains Wikipedia is promoting “pseudo-science” of multiverse (Surprise us again, will you?)

Wikipedia’s Darwinized Lincoln was historically impossible, it turns out

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A fascinating aspect of the Wiki's ID entry is the Talk pages where the unnamed, anonymous 'editors' keep up a running warfare against people who are looking for some kind of fairness and accuracy about ID (these even include non-IDists who are embarrassed about Wiki's anti-ID bias). The debates go on daily. An ordinary, somewhat objective 'editor' would have given up by now. They could easily put some pro-ID stuff in there - not a big deal. But that's not going to happen with that bunch. They are absolutely committed to winning the war. As anyone who has tried to edit the page in favor of ID knows, the previous, biased version will be restored within minutes (or seconds). These are the people who claim there's no controversy. We see them all the time on UD - they're obsessed with ID. They end up doing a lot of promotion and drawing attention to our cause, shooting themselves in their collective feet.Silver Asiatic
July 23, 2015
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News, You are more optimistic about Nat Geog and Sci Am [sadly, etc . . . ] than I am at this point, but then that may reflect my far wider concerns regarding the march of folly afoot in our civilisation. Wiki has turned into an agit-prop secular humanist evolutionary materialist agenda driven paradise with the ideologues running the gate-keeping on what is duly deemed "knowledge." Pilate's cynical contempt for truth seems to be prevailing, but then that was Friday, Pilate did not know Sunday was coming. KFkairosfocus
July 23, 2015
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Yes, Scott, very many people use and trust Wikipedia---that's undeniable. And Wikipedia doesn't allow any edits that contradict the Atheist agenda---that's why Google grants Wikipedia marquee status. It's the way of the secular world. The real harm Wikipedia represents is the false portrayal of truth and fact. It's the EXACT same portrayal that has dominated higher education since the 1930s. Wikipedia is the internet microphone of higher education dominated by the Atheist-Darwinian agenda. Higher education, therefore, is the culprit and source of the problem. Presently all we can do is oppose by creating databases of knowledge on the internet and in publications so the real truth is available and can be found if one searches for it.Ray Martinez
July 22, 2015
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Hence why it is a problem for those who do not know about ID go to wiki and that is what they get. Like it or not, people do go there for info, especially students and take it as truth. Hopefully they will decide to look further but a lot of young people trust wiki. I wish more attention would be brought up about the censorship of wiki. Just saying "we know wiki shouldn't be trusted" doesn't change the fact that many do.scottH
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Concerning #5 by Mike1962:
They’ve got nothing better to do, and they’re zealous in their “mission.”
That's right. It's their mission to oppose and/or slander anyone or anything that doesn't bow at the shrine of Darwin and his modern converts.Ray Martinez
July 21, 2015
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In reality, Wikipedia is a secular propaganda site that attempts to hide behind a scholarly consensus. Anyone who uses Wikipedia as a source reveals their status as an amateur.
Certainty. For non-controversial topics it's OK. Otherwise you can count on the legion of liberal, "progressive", leftist, atheist, socialist, culture-warrior bloggers to make certain the spin goes their way. They've got nothing better to do, and they're zealous in their "mission."mike1962
July 21, 2015
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Just noticed this topic; and I'm sad to see that it has not received a proper amount of attention. Wikipedia is not by any means a legitimate source of information. The fact that very many people think otherwise is really no surprise since an equal amount of people think evolution is true, legitimate science. The main reason Wikipedia is illegitimate is because anyone with a computer can write an article. This would include any celebrity or your neighbor's uncle. In reality, Wikipedia is a secular propaganda site that attempts to hide behind a scholarly consensus. Anyone who uses Wikipedia as a source reveals their status as an amateur.Ray Martinez
July 21, 2015
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OT: Why Are Biologists Lashing Out Against Empirically Verified Research Results? - Casey Luskin July 13, 2015 Excerpt: no publication shook this (ID vs Darwin) debate so much as a 2012 Nature paper that finally put junk DNA to rest--or so it seemed. This bombshell paper presented the results of the ENCODE (Encyclopedia of DNA Elements) Project, a years-long research consortium involving over 400 international scientists studying noncoding DNA in the human genome. Along with 30 other groundbreaking papers, the lead ENCODE article found that the "vast majority" of the human genome shows biochemical function: "These data enabled us to assign biochemical functions for 80 percent of the genome, in particular outside of the well-studied protein-coding regions."3 Ewan Birney, ENCODE's lead analyst, explained in Discover Magazine that since ENCODE studied 147 types of cells, and the human body has a few thousand cell types, "it's likely that 80 percent will go to 100 percent."4 Another senior ENCODE researcher noted that "almost every nucleotide is associated with a function."5 A headline in Science declared, "ENCODE project writes eulogy for junk DNA."6,,, Evolutionists Strike Back Darwin defenders weren't going to take ENCODE's data sitting down.,,, How could they possibly oppose such empirically based conclusions? The same way they always defend their theory: by assuming an evolutionary viewpoint is correct and reinterpreting the data in light of their paradigm--and by personally attacking, (i.e. ad hominem), those who challenge their position.,,, http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/07/the_encode_embr097561.html part 2 http://www.salvomag.com/new/articles/salvo32/the-encode-embroilment-part-II.php part 3 http://www.salvomag.com/new/articles/salvo33/the-encode-embroilment-part-III.phpbornagain77
July 13, 2015
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kairosfocus, I make no extravagant claims for SciAm or NatGeo, only this: They are capable of reform. I doubt Wikipedia is. That is, it would matter if SciAm and/or NatGeo were dominated by brats and sickos, but why would that matter at Wikipedia?News
July 13, 2015
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News, Wiki is indeed deserving of a few rebukes. Unfortunately, both Sci Am and Nat Geog have badly slipped in recent years also. My bigger concern is Wiki seems to have displaced more sober encyclopedias, which are where many children begin their intellectual journey beyond the spoonfed talking points of the classroom. We need to educate people in straight thinking and de-spinning. Not to mention, on how it can be dangerous -- but vitally important -- to be right when government goes wrong. KFkairosfocus
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