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One of the clearest and most compelling arguments against materialism is that it is unable to account for the simple fact that our thoughts possess a meaning in their own right. As philosopher Ed Feser puts it in an online post entitled, Some brief arguments for dualism, Part I:

Thoughts and the like possess inherent meaning or intentionality; brain processes, like ink marks, sound waves, and the like, are utterly devoid of any inherent meaning or intentionality; so thoughts and the like cannot possibly be identified with brain processes.

The argument seems especially convincing when we consider abstract concepts. Consider the famous line, “Honesty is a greatly overrated virtue,” from Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice. It seems preposterous to suppose that a concrete entity like a set of neurons, or even a neural process, could mean “honesty,” “virtue,” or any of the other words in that memorable quote.

Now, however, the materialists are fighting back, and attempting to locate meaning in the brain itself. A team of cognitive neuroscientists claims to have identified the areas of the brain that are responsible for processing the meanings (and not just the sounds) of specific words. Their findings were presented at the 2012 Society for the Neurobiology of Language Conference in San Sebastian, Spain. Presenting the team’s research findings, Joao Correia of Maastricht University told the conference that his team had decided to address the vital question: “How do we represent the meaning of words, independent of the language we are listening to?” A report in New Scientist magazine entitled,
“Mind-reading scan locates site of meaning in the brain”
(16 November 2012) by Douglas Heaven, takes up the story:

To begin the hunt, Correia and his colleagues used an fMRI scanner to study the brain activity of eight bilingual volunteers as they listened to the names of four animals, bull, horse, shark and duck, spoken in English.

The team monitored patterns of neural activity in the left anterior temporal cortex – known to be involved in a range of semantic tasks – and trained an algorithm to identify which word a participant had heard based on the pattern of activity.

Since the team wanted to pinpoint activity related to meaning, they picked words that were as similar as possible – all four contain one syllable and belong to the concept of animals. They also chose words that would have been learned at roughly the same time of life and took a similar time for the brain to process.

They then tested whether the differences in brain activity were related to the sound of the word or its meaning by testing whether the algorithm could identify the correct animal while the participants listened to the Dutch version of the word.

The system was still able to identify which animal had been named, despite being trained with patterns generated for English words. For example, the word “horse” and its Dutch equivalent “paard” gave rise to the same brain pattern, suggesting that the activity represented the word’s meaning – the concept of a horse…

“This type of pattern recognition approach is a very exciting scientific tool for investigating how and where knowledge is represented in the brain,” says Zoe Woodhead at University College London, who wasn’t involved in the study. “Words that mean the same thing in different languages activate the same set of neurons encoding that concept, regardless of the fact that the two words look and sound completely different.”

As resolutions in brain imaging improve, Correia predicts that a greater number of words will be predicted from brain activity alone. In principle, it might even be possible to identify whole sentences in real time, he says…

So, have Correia and his team located the meaning of words in the brain? Summing up their research findings, Correia et al. wrote in the Abstract of their report (delivered on Friday October 26th, 2012, at 2:20 p.m., at Slide Session B; see p. 12 of the Conference Report):

The results of our discrimination analysis show that word decoding involves a distributed network of brain regions consistent with the proposed ‘dual-stream model’ (Hickok and Poeppel, 2007). The results of our generalization analysis highlights a focal and specific role of a left anterior temporal area in semantic/concept decoding. Together, these distributed and focal brain activity patterns subserve the extraction of abstract semantic concepts from acoustically diverse English and Dutch words during bilingual speech comprehension.

I had never heard of the Dual Stream model until I came across this report, and I suspect most of my readers won’t have heard of it, either. Professor Greg Hickok helpfully explains the model in a post entitled, Dual Stream Model of Speech/Language Processing: Tractography Evidence (Wednesday, December 3, 2008), on a blog called Talking Brains – News and views on the neural organization of language which he and co-author Professor David Poeppel moderate:

The Dual Stream model of speech/language processing holds that there are two functionally distinct computational/neural networks that process speech/language information, one that interfaces sensory/phonological networks with conceptual-semantic systems, and one that interfaces sensory/phonological networks with motor-articulatory systems (Hickok & Poeppel, 2000, 2004, 2007). We have laid out our current best guess as to the neural architecture of these systems in our 2007 paper…

[A diagram illustrating the model is included in the post.]

It is worth pointing out that under reasonable assumptions some version of a dual stream model has to be right. If we accept (i) that sensory/phonological representations make contact both with conceptual systems and with motor systems, and (ii) that conceptual systems and motor-speech systems are not the same thing, then it follows that there must be two processing streams, one leading to conceptual systems, the other leading to motor systems. This is not a new idea, of course. It has obvious parallels to research in the primate visual system, and (well before the visual folks came up with the idea) it was a central feature of Wernicke’s model of the functional anatomy of language. In other words, not only does the model make sense for speech/language processing, it appears to be a “general principle of sensory system organization” (Hickok & Poeppel, 2007, p. 401) and it has stood the test of time.

The abstract of Hickok and Poeppel’s original 2007 paper, The cortical organization of speech processing (Nature Reviews Neuroscience, 8 (5), 393-402 DOI: 10.1038/nrn2113) is even more succinct:

Despite decades of research, the functional neuroanatomy of speech processing has been difficult to characterize. A major impediment to progress may have been the failure to consider task effects when mapping speech-related processing systems. We outline a dual-stream model of speech processing that remedies this situation. In this model, a ventral stream processes speech signals for comprehension, and a dorsal stream maps acoustic speech signals to frontal lobe articulatory networks. The model assumes that the ventral stream is largely bilaterally organized – although there are important computational differences between the left- and right-hemisphere systems – and that the dorsal stream is strongly left-hemisphere dominant.

So much for the theoretical background. What we need to ask ourselves now is: what have Correia and his team actually established?

The research findings of Correia et al. certainly lend support to the idea that the left anterior temporal cortex is involved in decoding words in sentences in a way that assists with identifying the meanings of these words, rather than their sounds. However, I think it would be an unwarranted leap to conclude that this part of the brain plays a special role in identifying the actual meaning of a word. Instead, what I would propose is that this region plays a subsidiary but nonetheless role, preparatory to the activity of locating the meaning of a word.

What I am tentatively suggesting is that the left anterior temporal cortex may store collocations (or frequent co-occurrences of words), by means of neural connections whose strength corresponds to the relative frequency with which two words are found to occur together. In other words, this part of the brain doesn’t store the meanings of words, but the frequency with which a word having a certain meaning (whether in English or Dutch) is likely to be used with certain other words. If you can identify one word in a sentence, this part of the brain would definitely help in identifying the other words that it is likely to be used with – irrespective of how those words sound in the two languages. That’s why it’s so useful for semantic decoding.

Even when individuals are only exposed to single words (as in the experiment conducted by Correia et al.), their brains would naturally search for related words, because human beings are, after all, creatures who are designed to seek meanings. We can’t help it – that’s what we do, as rational animals. Moreover, we habitually tend to communicate with each other in whole sentences, not one-word utterances. So it is not surprising that the left anterior temporal cortex of these individuals was still activated.

By the way, for those who may be wondering, here is how Wikipedia defines a Collocation:

In corpus linguistics, collocation defines a sequence of words or terms that co-occur more often than would be expected by chance. In phraseology, collocation is a sub-type of phraseme. An example of a phraseological collocation (from Michael Halliday)is the expression strong tea. While the same meaning could be conveyed by the roughly equivalent powerful tea, this expression is considered incorrect by English speakers. Conversely, the corresponding expression for computer, powerful computers is preferred over strong computers. Phraseological collocations should not be confused with idioms, where meaning is derived, whereas collocations are mostly compositional.

I should note that English and Dutch are very similar languages – they’re practically sisters. What I would be interested to see is the results of research conducted on individuals who are bilingual in English and Japanese – whose grammar, collocations and idioms are very different from each other. It is doubtful whether researchers would observe the same neat one-to-one mapping between the meanings of English and Japanese words as they discovered between English and Dutch words.

To sum up: it is simply nonsensical to assert that the brain, or any other material entity, could possibly store the meaning of a word – particularly an abstract word. Meaning is not a physical property as such. It is perfectly reasonable, however, to claim that the brain contains centers that not only decode sounds into the words of our mother tongue (or a second language), but also enable us to predict, from having heard one word, which other words it is likely to be associated with. It is not surprising, either, that closely related languages like English and Dutch would generate much the same pattern of predictions regarding what word will come next, even if the word sounds different in the two languages.

Well, that’s my two cents. But I may be wrong. What do readers think?

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As well Graham2, Materialism had postulated for centuries that everything reduced to, or emerged from material atoms and/or irreducible particles, yet the correct structure of reality is now found by science to be as follows:
1. material particles/atoms (mass) normally reduces to energy (e=mc^2) 2. energy and mass both reduce to information (quantum teleportation, A. Zeilinger etc..) 3. information reduces to consciousness (geometric centrality of conscious observation in universe dictates that consciousness must precede quantum wave collapse to its single bit state) (Leggett’s Inequalities, Wheeler’s Delayed Choice; Wigner’s Quantum Symmetries; Wheeler and Zeilinger's 'It from Bit') Three intersecting lines of experimental evidence from quantum mechanics that shows that consciousness precedes material reality https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G_Fi50ljF5w_XyJHfmSIZsOcPFhgoAZ3PRc_ktY8cFo/edit “No, I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.” (Max Planck, as cited in de Purucker, Gottfried. 1940. The Esoteric Tradition. California: Theosophical University Press, ch. 13).
As well Graham2, the correct 'top down' structure for how reality is constructed is closely reflected in how our bodies are constructed 'top down'. The lowest level of the reality of our bodies are the material atoms of our body. The next higher level of our bodies is the energy of our bodies (biophotons). The next higher level of our bodies is the quantum entanglement/information of our bodies (of which the classical information that is encoded on DNA is a subset of that quantum information). The highest level of our bodies is the consciousness of our mind. Notes:
Are humans really beings of light? Excerpt: "We now know, today, that man is essentially a being of light.",,, "There are about 100,000 chemical reactions happening in every cell each second. The chemical reaction can only happen if the molecule which is reacting is excited by a photon... Once the photon has excited a reaction it returns to the field and is available for more reactions... We are swimming in an ocean of light." http://viewzone2.com/dna.html Does DNA Have Telepathic Properties?-A Galaxy Insight - 2009 Excerpt: DNA has been found to have a bizarre ability to put itself together, even at a distance, when according to known science it shouldn't be able to.,,, The recognition of similar sequences in DNA’s chemical subunits, occurs in a way unrecognized by science. There is no known reason why the DNA is able to combine the way it does, and from a current theoretical standpoint this feat should be chemically impossible. http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/04/does-dna-have-t.html Quantum Information/Entanglement In DNA - Elisabeth Rieper - short video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5936605/ Physicists Discover Quantum Law of Protein Folding – February 22, 2011 Quantum mechanics finally explains why protein folding depends on temperature in such a strange way. Excerpt: First, a little background on protein folding. Proteins are long chains of amino acids that become biologically active only when they fold into specific, highly complex shapes. The puzzle is how proteins do this so quickly when they have so many possible configurations to choose from. To put this in perspective, a relatively small protein of only 100 amino acids can take some 10^100 different configurations. If it tried these shapes at the rate of 100 billion a second, it would take longer than the age of the universe to find the correct one. Just how these molecules do the job in nanoseconds, nobody knows.,,, Their astonishing result is that this quantum transition model fits the folding curves of 15 different proteins and even explains the difference in folding and unfolding rates of the same proteins. That's a significant breakthrough. Luo and Lo's equations amount to the first universal laws of protein folding. That’s the equivalent in biology to something like the thermodynamic laws in physics. http://www.technologyreview.com/view/423087/physicists-discover-quantum-law-of-protein/ Does Quantum Biology Support A Quantum Soul? – Stuart Hameroff - video (notes in description) http://vimeo.com/29895068 Quantum Entangled Consciousness (Permanence of Quantum Information)- Life After Death - Stuart Hameroff - video https://vimeo.com/39982578 Quantum no-hiding theorem experimentally confirmed for first time - March 2011 Excerpt: In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed. http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html
bornagain77
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It's a fair question to ask how one physical system (such as a brain and its states) can be "about" another. But to respond to this difficulty by invoking a dualist ontology, and then assigning intentionality (and or consciousness, or selfhood, or agency, or meaning) to the nonphysical side of one's dualistic coin is to my ear an absolutely empty response. That is because no one has the slightest notion of how a nonphysical mentality might instantiate intentional states (or consciousness, or selfhood, or agency, or meaning), or how one might go about investigating that question. How is a nonphysical mentality "about" something else? At least brain states offer many intriguing empirical hooks vis the complex nature of sensory consciousness and representation that may or may not yield insights into this question as cognitive neuroscience progresses. There is no science of non-physical mentality, nor do i see how there could be one. Critics who wave the problem of intentionality at "materialists" are often strangely tolerant of the complete and utter absence of a substantive account of intentionality grounded in the metaphysics of dualism. That's an unjustifiable asymmetry. I suspect that the sequestering of phenomena such as intentionality, consciousness and agency and meaning to nonphysical mentality works simply because such qualities are smuggled in as the immaterial mind (or soul, or intelligence, or agency, or meaning, or consciousness, or whatever) is defined as that which nonphysically bears the essentials of selfhood (intentionality, meaning, consciousness, agency, etc.) independent of material states. How or why that might be the case, or, most importantly, how to make that notion do any scientific work, no one has clue. Explanation of those phenomenon in nonphysical terms is quite natural for many, but the explanation is all IOU and no content. The bottom line for me is that we simply don't yet know how to talk about intentionality, regardless of ontology.Reciprocating Bill
December 6, 2012
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Is meaning located in the brain? The meaning of what?Joe
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Graham2 asks:
So, where is meaning located ?
Meaning belongs to the world of consciousness and information and consciousness and information are 'located' in the highest dimension of all. Moreover higher dimensions are invisible to our physical 3 Dimensional sight. The reason why 'higher dimensions' are invisible to our 3D vision is best illustrated by 'Flatland':
Dr Quantum Flatland Explanation 3D in a 2D world - video http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/9395/Dr_Quantum_Flatland_Explanation_3D_in_a_2D_world/
Perhaps Graham you may think that we have no scientific evidence to support the view that higher 'invisible' dimensions are above this 3 Dimensional world, but you would be wrong in that presumption. Higher invisible dimensions are corroborated by Special Relativity when considering the optical effects for traveling at the speed of light. Please note the optical effect, noted at the 3:22 minute mark of the following video, when the 3-Dimensional world ‘folds and collapses’ into a tunnel shape around the direction of travel as a 'hypothetical' observer moves towards the ‘higher dimension’ of the speed of light:
Approaching The Speed Of Light - Optical Effects - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5733303/
The preceding video was made by two Australian University physics professors. Here is the interactive website, with link to the relativistic math at the bottom of the page, related to the preceding video;
Seeing Relativity http://www.anu.edu.au/Physics/Searle/
It is also interesting to point out that a 'tunnel' to a higher dimension is also a common feature of Near Death Experiences:
Near Death Experience – The Tunnel, The Light, The Life Review – video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4200200/ What's more is that special relativity (and general relativity) also confirm the 'eternity' for this higher dimension. i.e. Time, as we understand it temporally, would come to a complete stop at the speed of light. To grasp the whole 'time coming to a complete stop at the speed of light' concept a little more easily, imagine moving away from the face of a clock at the speed of light. Would not the hands on the clock stay stationary as you moved away from the face of the clock at the speed of light? Moving away from the face of a clock at the speed of light happens to be the same 'thought experiment' that gave Einstein his breakthrough insight into e=mc2.
Albert Einstein - Special Relativity - Insight Into Eternity - 'thought experiment' video http://www.metacafe.com/w/6545941/ "I've just developed a new theory of eternity." Albert Einstein - The Einstein Factor - Reader's Digest "The laws of relativity have changed timeless existence from a theological claim to a physical reality. Light, you see, is outside of time, a fact of nature proven in thousands of experiments at hundreds of universities. I don’t pretend to know how tomorrow can exist simultaneously with today and yesterday. But at the speed of light they actually and rigorously do. Time does not pass." Richard Swenson - More Than Meets The Eye, Chpt. 12
'Time dilation', i.e. eternity, is confirmed by many lines of evidence but basically this higher dimensional, 'eternal', inference for the time framework of light is warranted because light is not 'frozen within time' yet it is also shown that time, as we understand it, does not pass for light. This is only possible if temporal time is created from a higher dimension that 'contains all time',,,Yet, even though light has this 'eternal' attribute in regards to our temporal framework of time, for us to hypothetically travel at the speed of light, in this universe, will still only get us to first base as far as quantum entanglement, or teleportation, is concerned.
Light and Quantum Entanglement Reflect Some Characteristics Of God - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4102182
i.e. Hypothetically traveling at the speed of light in this universe would be, because of time dilation, instantaneous travel for the person going at the speed of light. This is because time does not pass for them, yet, and this is a very big ‘yet’ to take note of; this ‘timeless’ travel is still not instantaneous and transcendent to our temporal framework of time as quantum teleportation and entanglment are, i.e. Speed of light travel, to our temporal frame of reference of time, is still not completely transcendent of our time framework since light appears to take time to travel from our temporal perspective. Yet, in quantum teleportation of information, the ‘time not passing’, i.e. ‘eternal’, framework is not only achieved in the speed of light framework/dimension, but is also ‘instantaneously’ achieved in our lower temporal framework. That is to say, the instantaneous teleportation/travel of quantum information is instantaneous to both the temporal and speed of light frameworks, not just the speed of light framework. Information teleportation/travel is not limited by time, nor space, in any way, shape or form, in any frame of reference, as light is seemingly limited to us in this temporal framework. Thus ‘pure transcendent information’ (in quantum teleportaion experiments) is shown to be timeless (eternal) and completely transcendent of all material frameworks. Moreover, concluding from all lines of evidence we now have (many of which I have not specifically listed here); transcendent, eternal, infinite information is indeed real and the framework in which ‘It’ resides is the primary reality (highest dimension) that can exist, (in so far as our limited perception of a primary reality, highest dimension, can be discerned).
"An illusion can never go faster than the speed limit of reality" Akiane Kramarik - Child Prodigy -
bornagain77
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Quite a weighty thread here. i will just add that a Christian cannot believe our thoughts are in our brain since we take our thoughts with us after death and leave the brain behind. The brain is just a middleman between our thoughts and our body. We think like God, made in his intellectual image, and we don't think like animals. Its impossible for our thinking being to change. So as babies or as mentally handicap it is just our memories that is being retarded. This is why focusing kids very quickly makes them advanced over other kids. This is why retarded people have above average memories and do great feats of memory. The memory is of the natural world but our thinking/thoughts are spiritual like God.Robert Byers
December 5, 2012
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Alan Fox:
Well, may I suggest a simple thought experiment (I emphasize that I do not suggest anyone try this at home. Not even on Joe!). Gently excise the brain from a willing individual and engage them in conversation. I suggest that the ability to store and retrieve words will have completely disappeared.
How about the heart? Gently excise the heart from a willing individual and engage them in conversation. I suggest that the ability to store and retrieve words will have completely disappeared. Lungs? Gently excise the lungs from a willing individual and engage them in conversation. I suggest that the ability to store and retrieve words will have completely disappeared. Brilliant, Alan...Joe
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Mung at #17: If you are so cocky, you wont mind answering a few questions. So, where is it located ?Graham2
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Alan: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." William Shakespeare - Hamlet Fifty of the near-death experiences I profile on this website which I gathered statistics on, 17% of them experienced a city of light. These cities of light have been described by various experiencers using such adjectives as: golden, beautiful, unearthly, indescribable, beyond anything that can be described, so superior to anything on Earth, colorful, brilliant, heavenly, endless, crystalline, grand, paradise, and galaxy-like. http://near-death.com/experiences/research19.html Evanescence - The Other Side (Lyric Video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiIvtRg7-Lcbornagain77
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'I suggest that the ability to store and retrieve words will have completely disappeared.' There seems to be strong evidence from NDEs that the brain is, in fact, (apart from being a reducing valve for our survival in time, preventing our perpetually enjoying some measure of the Beatific Vision), a receiver.Axel
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Alan Fox you state:
Gently excise the brain from a willing individual and engage them in conversation. I suggest that the ability to store and retrieve words will have completely disappeared.
Well in so far as it is possible to retain conscious reception in a brain, hemispherectomies defy what would be expected from your materialistic presupposition Alan:
Removing Half of Brain Improves Young Epileptics’ Lives: Excerpt: “We are awed by the apparent retention of memory and by the retention of the child’s personality and sense of humor,” Dr. Eileen P. G. Vining; In further comment from the neuro-surgeons in the John Hopkins study: “Despite removal of one hemisphere, the intellect of all but one of the children seems either unchanged or improved. Intellect was only affected in the one child who had remained in a coma, vigil-like state, attributable to peri-operative complications.” http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/19/science/removing-half-of-brain-improves-young-epileptics-lives.html Miracle Of Mind-Brain Recovery Following Hemispherectomies – Dr. Ben Carson – video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3994585/
Whereas for a excellent Brain Death example there is the case of Pam Reynolds:
NDE Pam Reynolds. - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k Pam Reynolds Lowery from Atlanta, Georgia was an American singer-songwriter. In 1991, at the age of 35, she had a near-death experience (NDE) during a brain operation. Her NDE is one of the most notable and best documented in NDE research. During "standstill" operation, Pam's brain was found "dead" by all three clinical tests - her electroencephalogram was silent, her brain-stem response was absent, and no blood flowed through her brain which left her clinically dead. Interestingly, while in this state, she encountered the "deepest" NDE of all. She made several observations about the procedure which later were confirmed by medical personnel as surprisingly accurate. Pamela Reynolds Lowery died of heart failure at the age of 53 (1956 -- May 22, 2010)
And then there is also the case of Dr. Eben Alexander:
video: In 2008, neurosurgeon Dr. Eben Alexander lay comatose in a hospital, a rare form of bacterial meningitis attacking his brain. His neocortex -- the part of the brain that controls sensory perception, conscious thought and language, among other functions -- had shut down. "My memories of my life on earth, of this universe... and certainly of family and all my words, language, all of that was completely gone," he says. Which is why what happened next is what opened this man of science to the existence of an afterlife. In a "Super Soul Sunday" interview with Oprah Winfrey (airing Sunday, December 2, at 11 a.m. ET on OWN), Dr. Alexander describes what he saw when he awoke on the other side. ,,, etc.. etc.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/30/dr-eben-alexander-oprah-heaven-afterlife_n_2206219.html
bornagain77
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It is doubtful whether researchers would observe the same neat one-to-one mapping between the meanings of English and Japanese words as they discovered between English and Dutch words.
The Friesian dialect of Dutch does sound very similar to a very strong Norfolk English dialect. Though there is not a great deal of shared vocabulary and, indeed, the very epitome of unintelligible was once commonly referred to as double-dutch, so I question whether there is indeed such a one-to-one mapping between Dutch and English. French and English share around half of their vocabulary but there is rarely an exact mapping, especially in common words. Money/monnaie = change, Actually/ actuellement = now. Such faux amis may have multiple meanings which will also not be shared across the two languages. Bed might be lit, couche, coin, fond, strate, parterre, depending on context.
To sum up: it is simply nonsensical to assert that the brain, or any other material entity, could possibly store the meaning of a word – particularly an abstract word. Meaning is not a physical property as such.
Well, may I suggest a simple thought experiment (I emphasize that I do not suggest anyone try this at home. Not even on Joe!). Gently excise the brain from a willing individual and engage them in conversation. I suggest that the ability to store and retrieve words will have completely disappeared.Alan Fox
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The problem with the raft continually under repair analogy is diagnostic of the fault involved. yes, it is important that the raft be adequate and the raft can be always under partial repair or construction, but it is not floating there by itself. It sits on the support of the ocean, and the laws and forces of floatation. Which brings out the flaw in the follow on analogy, a space ship. That requires the foundation of the materials, forces and laws of nature to work, and it requires exactingly fine-tuned complex functional organisation to be workable as a habitat for C-Chemistry, cell based life forms. Even, when the space ship in question is our home planet.
But notice that "the raft", in the Neurathian analogy, concerns epistemic or justificatory relations between the different elements of our world-view. By contrast, notice that "the foundation of the materials, forces and laws of nature to work, and it requires exactingly fine-tuned complex functional organisation to be workable as a habitat for C-Chemistry, cell based life forms" are not epistemic conditions -- they are, if you like, the natural conditions for there to be epistemic conditions. What I'm trying to do here is make explicit a fundamental ambiguity in the whole notion of "grounding": epistemic conditions (what must be the case for our utterances and actions to count as rational) are different from natural conditions (what must be the case in order that rational beings can come into existence). The traditional notion of "grounding" conflates these quite different kinds of conditions.Kantian Naturalist
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So, where is meaning located ?
Do you want the GPS coordinates?Mung
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So, where is meaning located ?Graham2
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of related note:
Looking Beyond Space and Time to Cope With Quantum Theory - (Oct. 28, 2012) Excerpt: To derive their inequality, which sets up a measurement of entanglement between four particles, the researchers considered what behaviours are possible for four particles that are connected by influences that stay hidden and that travel at some arbitrary finite speed. Mathematically (and mind-bogglingly), these constraints define an 80-dimensional object. The testable hidden influence inequality is the boundary of the shadow this 80-dimensional shape casts in 44 dimensions. The researchers showed that quantum predictions can lie outside this boundary, which means they are going against one of the assumptions. Outside the boundary, either the influences can't stay hidden, or they must have infinite speed.,,, The remaining option is to accept that (quantum) influences must be infinitely fast,,, "Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them," says Nicolas Gisin, Professor at the University of Geneva, Switzerland,,, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121028142217.htm
bornagain77
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JDH, I should like to draw attention to this quote from the article:
Perfect classical knowledge of a system means the observer perceives it to have zero entropy. This corresponds to the memory of the observer and that of the system being perfectly correlated, as much as allowed in classical physics. Entanglement gives the observer "more than complete knowledge” because quantum correlations are stronger than classical correlations.
JDH, exactly how is "more than complete knowledge” possible for a human observer?,,, This strongly suggests, at least for me, God's 'complete knowledge' is involved in entanglement.bornagain77
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excuse me,,: JDH your comment on entropy and meaning reminded me of this:bornagain77
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JDH your comment on entropy and entropy reminded me of this: Quantum knowledge cools computers: New understanding of entropy – June 2011 Excerpt: The new study revisits Landauer's principle for cases when the values of the bits to be deleted may be known. When the memory content is known, it should be possible to delete the bits in such a manner that it is theoretically possible to re-create them. It has previously been shown that such reversible deletion would generate no heat. In the new paper, the researchers go a step further. They show that when the bits to be deleted are quantum-mechanically entangled with the state of an observer, then the observer could even withdraw heat from the system while deleting the bits. Entanglement links the observer's state to that of the computer in such a way that they know more about the memory than is possible in classical physics. Similar formulas -- two disciplines In order to reach this result, the scientists combined ideas from information theory and thermodynamics about a concept known as entropy. Entropy appears differently in these two disciplines, which are, to a large extent, independent of each other. In information theory, entropy is a measurement of the information density. It describes, for instance, how much memory capacity a given set of data would take up when compressed optimally. In thermodynamics, on the other hand, entropy relates to the disorder in systems, for example to the arrangement of molecules in a gas. In thermodynamics, adding entropy to a system is usually equivalent to adding energy as heat. The ETH physicist Renner says "We have now shown that in both cases, the term entropy is actually describing the same thing even in the quantum mechanical regime." As the formulas for the two entropies look the same, it had already been assumed that there was a connection between them. "Our study shows that in both cases, entropy is considered to be a type of lack of knowledge," says Renner. The new paper in Nature builds on work published earlier in the New Journal of Physics. In measuring entropy, one should bear in mind that an object does not have a certain amount of entropy per se, instead an object's entropy is always dependent on the observer. Applied to the example of deleting data, this means that if two individuals delete data in a memory and one has more knowledge of this data, she perceives the memory to have lower entropy and can then delete the memory using less energy. Entropy in quantum physics has the unusual property of sometimes being negative when calculated from the information theory point of view. Perfect classical knowledge of a system means the observer perceives it to have zero entropy. This corresponds to the memory of the observer and that of the system being perfectly correlated, as much as allowed in classical physics. Entanglement gives the observer „more than complete knowledge" because quantum correlations are stronger than classical correlations. This leads to an entropy less than zero. Until now, theoretical physicists had used this negative entropy in calculations without understanding what it might mean in thermodynamic terms or experimentally. No heat, even a cooling effect In the case of perfect classical knowledge of a computer memory (zero entropy), deletion of the data requires in theory no energy at all. The researchers prove that "more than complete knowledge" from quantum entanglement with the memory (negative entropy) leads to deletion of the data being accompanied by removal of heat from the computer and its release as usable energy. This is the physical meaning of negative entropy. Renner emphasizes, however, "This doesn't mean that we can develop a perpetual motion machine." The data can only be deleted once, so there is no possibility to continue to generate energy. The process also destroys the entanglement, and it would take an input of energy to reset the system to its starting state. The equations are consistent with what's known as the second law of thermodynamics: the idea that the entropy of the universe can never decrease. Vedral says "We're working on the edge of the second law. If you go any further, you will break it." Fundamental findings The scientists' new findings relating to entropy in thermodynamics and information theory may have usefulness beyond calculating the heat production of computers. For example, methods developed within information theory to handle entropy could lead to innovations in thermodynamics. The connection made between the two concepts of entropy is fundamental. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110601134300.htmbornagain77
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Another comment I would like to make about meaning and the fact that in my opinion, meaning can not be a purely physical process has to do with a kind of entropy measure. In general meaning is derived only when a state of low entropy occurs. No one derives meaning from a hapless, willy nilly, high entropy random collection of ink marks on a piece of paper no matter how complex the arrangement is. But, if the ink marks are aligned along lines and arranged in certain patterns ( with very much leeway on how accurate the general pattern is ) wonderful or terrible meaning can be read and derived - from news about births, deaths, marriages, to declarations of war or even the US Constitution. It gets even harder with implied meaning. When people ask, "What did you mean by that?" They are making a completely subjective response. The response, "Sorry, I did not mean anything personal," is judged by a sub-concious entropy like calculation which considers the likelihood of the statement being general ( higher entropy ) or directed at a single person ( lower entropy ). The problem is that the judgment of which is high entropy and which is low entropy in this case is not measured by any physical characteristic. It is all personal and subjective. I do not see a way to model a high level subjective entropy ( in the meaning sense ) monitor with chemical processes which are themselves subject to a much more stringent physical thermodynamic entropy.JDH
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The claim that intentionality and/or consciousness is not identical with neurophysiological processes does not decrease the plausibility of naturalism or increase the plausibility of dualism. In fact, naturalism is perfectly consistent with the irreducibility of first-person perspective, if the right sorts of distinctions are made, e.g. with neurophenomenology.Kantian Naturalist
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VJT: Thank you for the very interesting post. The relationship between conscious processes and the brain is really central to the IF theory, and certainly to my personal approach to reality. I would like to give a few comments about what you write. a) Meaning is one of the fundamental subjective experiences that cannot in any way be explained in objective terms. I would certainly add at least feeling and purpose. Meaning, feeling and purpose are central to all conscious experiences. They are basic modalities of conscious representations. The interesting point is that none of those concepts can be defined without using some reference to a conscious subject. I have repeatedly challenged our interlocutors on the other side to try such a task. I maintain the challenge for anyone who may be interested. It is simply impossible. This is one of the strongest arguments against the silly theory that conscious processes should be explained in terms of arrangements of matter. They cannot even be defined in those terms, least of all explained. b) The recent progresses of neuroscience, while amazing under many aspects, add nothing to the fundamental problem of what consciousness is, and of how it interacts with matter. This last study is no exception at all. I will be more clear. For thousands of years we have been knowing that subjective experiences exist, and that they are connected, in both directions, to objective reality. Every sensation is proof of the input connection, every conscious act proof of the output connection. Now, there can be no doubt, and never was, that consciousness interacts with matter through special arrangements of matter. Our sense organs are a good example, ans we have been knowing that, again, for thousands of years. We cannot see without the eye, for example, and the eye is certainly matter in a special arrangement. We cannot see through a table, or a chair. We need the eye. Now, we know that we cannot see without the brain. And we know that specific parts of the brain, and arrangements of neurons, take part in the seeing process. Very interesting, but essentially not different from what we already knew of the eye. So, with this new study we know that certain areas of the brain are active when we have an input which is perceived by our consciousness as a category: a horse, for example. OK, and so? And we know that some areas are active when we think of a horse, whether it has been named in english or in dutch. OK, and so? That only means that one thing is the processing of the word, which is different in the two languages, and another thing is the processing of the category linked to that word, which remains the same. Let's make an example. We are programming, and we create three different variables, A, B, C. We attribute the word "horse" to A, and the word "paard" to B. Then we build C as a complex object variable, which corresponds to the associations of various formal features (four legs, a certain weight, specific abilities, and so on). Then we connect A and B to the interface of C, so that when A or B are activated, for instance by the corresponding word sound, C is activated too. As everyone can see, this is just a software process. No conscious process is implied. No meaning is implied. Our variables are connected in the brain software, and they are located in different hardware areas. That's all. Of course, our consciousness is aware, at some point, of those formal contents, and represents them as conscious processes of the I. That's where meaning, or feeling, or purpose, arise. Not in the software. Not in the physical brain. So, I don't think that the activity observed in that area is only for "collocations" (although that can well be one of its activities). I can well be for activation of processes relative to the variable "horse" in the software. In no way that implies a conscious understanding of the meaning of what a horse is, because that happens only in a conscious representation, and matter in itself cannot generate conscious representations.gpuccio
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VJT: Wonderful work as usual. Your conclusive remarks are especially illuminating:
it is simply nonsensical to assert that the brain, or any other material entity, could possibly store the meaning of a word – particularly an abstract word. Meaning is not a physical property as such. It is perfectly reasonable, however, to claim that the brain contains centers that not only decode sounds into the words of our mother tongue (or a second language), but also enable us to predict, from having heard one word, which other words it is likely to be associated with.
Millivolt electrical potentials and ion flows or neuronal wiring obviously do not have intrinsic meaning. Meaningfulness is simply a mental issue, there is a category confusion involved. Signals and processing circuitry simply do not carry meaning or purpose in themselves, the purpose lies in the organisation and arbitrary choice of mapping from physical variable to signal and onward to functional and/or symbolic or analogical [in analogue systems continuous incremental scale of signal has direct reference] significance imposed on them towards meaning. In fact, I have concluded that we are facing a grounding issue again. That is why in my comment on the matter-mind gap in my personal blog yesterday, I used an adaptation of Hume's guillotine argument:
following Hume in his guillotine argument, we may freely express how: 1 --> we see the usual blindly mechanical couplings of cause and effect through interactions of particles and combinations thereof in space and time per laws/forces of nature, with some chance processes tossed in for good measure; then 2 --> "all of a sudden," we are "surpriz'd" to hear Lucretius (and his modern disciples) speaking of a "third" factor: "reasonings of mind" that are capable of both "faith" and "pro[of]." 3 --> So, we must ask: How does/could such come to be? 4 --> That is, how can mind be grounded in matter and energy, interacting through blind chance and mechanical necessity? (Including through claimed processes of evolution, where we note the Churchland observation: Improvements in sensorimotor control confer an evolutionary advantage . . . Truth, whatever that is, definitely takes the hindmost)? 5 --> Or, can it be so grounded? For, if we must have a worldview-level foundation adequate to explain mind in ourselves, matter and energy interacting through blind chance and mechanical necessity are unpromising causal ingredients.
That is, just as for morality, mind has to lie in the foundation of the cosmos, for it to have any sound basis. If our worldview does not have an adequate foundational element that grounds mind, then forever after the attempt to get to mind will end in groundlessness and/or absurdity. Hence all this talk about emergence of mind, by evolutionary materialist poofery. Hence, the continual sawing off the branch on which we must all fit, leading to self-referential absurdity such as was so aptly summed up by Darwin himself:
the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?
Not to mention, Haldane:
"It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter. For if my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true. They may be sound chemically, but that does not make them sound logically. And hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms." ["When I am dead," in Possible Worlds: And Other Essays [1927], Chatto and Windus: London, 1932, reprint, p.209.]
Of course, some will take occasion to suggest that we don't need a foundation for a worldview. The problem with the raft continually under repair analogy is diagnostic of the fault involved. yes, it is important that the raft be adequate and the raft can be always under partial repair or construction, but it is not floating there by itself. It sits on the support of the ocean, and the laws and forces of floatation. Which brings out the flaw in the follow on analogy, a space ship. That requires the foundation of the materials, forces and laws of nature to work, and it requires exactingly fine-tuned complex functional organisation to be workable as a habitat for C-Chemistry, cell based life forms. Even, when the space ship in question is our home planet. So, we have to ask what best grounds a world in which the perceiving, self-aware, conscious, knowing, purposeful, mind is an important reality. Multiply that by the evident fine tuning of the cosmos we observe and inhabit that allows us to be here, and we can see a strong indicator that the foundation of reality rests on Mind. KFkairosfocus
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I think the authors make a great case for the utter foolishness of their conclusion. Let me explain. When one has a difficult time finding evidence for things ("..Despite decades of research..." ) one can overreach when there is any progress at all. They have a simple result with lots of explanations, yet they trumpet their results as if they have made a major breakthrough and rather than consider all of the possibilities, they jump to a startling conclusion they have "..l[located] the site of meaning in the brain.'' The completely out of proportion conclusion to the amount of results, indicate that there is a tremendous amount of confirmation bias in the report of the results - something good scientists should avoid.JDH
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I think you may be misunderstanding what Feser (and other materialists) are advocating. Oops. Not to imply Ed is a materialist. It's just that what Ed is saying there, other materialists agree with re: intrinsic meaning and brains.nullasalus
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It seems preposterous to suppose that a concrete entity like a set of neurons, or even a neural process, could mean “honesty,” “virtue,” or any of the other words in that memorable quote.
I think you may be misunderstanding what Feser (and other materialists) are advocating. Ed's argument against 'locating meaning in the brain' isn't an empirical challenge, it's a metaphysical one. Taking brains or neurons or physical things to have intrinsic meaning rather than derived meaning would mean Aristotle is right and materialists / people who subscribe to a mechanistic view of mind/nature, are wrong. You see this in Ed's book when he talks about computationalism.nullasalus
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One question I always things brings into focus the difficulty of giving a physicalist account of meaning is: how many thoughts that grass is green can one fit inside a matchbox?djockovic
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The Contingency argument, as stated above which is the much like form as used by Dr. William Lane Craig (as far as I know),, has a slight error in statement #1 in that even mathematical objects, such as the number 7, as strange as it may sound to some, cannot exist independently of God. This fact that mathematical numbers cannot exist independently of a external cause (i.e. of God) has been born out by Godel's incompleteness theorem :
Kurt Gödel - Incompleteness Theorem - video http://www.metacafe.com/w/8462821 Taking God Out of the Equation - Biblical Worldview - by Ron Tagliapietra - January 1, 2012 Excerpt: Kurt Gödel (1906–1978) proved that no logical systems (if they include the counting numbers) can have all three of the following properties. 1. Validity . . . all conclusions are reached by valid reasoning. 2. Consistency . . . no conclusions contradict any other conclusions. 3. Completeness . . . all statements made in the system are either true or false. The details filled a book, but the basic concept was simple and elegant. He summed it up this way: “Anything you can draw a circle around cannot explain itself without referring to something outside the circle—something you have to assume but cannot prove.” For this reason, his proof is also called the Incompleteness Theorem. Kurt Gödel had dropped a bomb on the foundations of mathematics. Math could not play the role of God as infinite and autonomous. It was shocking, though, that logic could prove that mathematics could not be its own ultimate foundation. Christians should not have been surprised. The first two conditions are true about math: it is valid and consistent. But only God fulfills the third condition. Only He is complete and therefore self-dependent (autonomous). God alone is “all in all” (1 Corinthians 15:28), “the beginning and the end” (Revelation 22:13). God is the ultimate authority (Hebrews 6:13), and in Christ are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge (Colossians 2:3). http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v7/n1/equation
Thus, though an atheist may whistle in the dark and pretend life has value and meaning without God, the fact of the matter is that all true value and meaning, no matter how trivial it is, such as the seemingly trivial value and meaning of individual mathematical numbers (and by proxy of that, words and thoughts), is dependent (contingent) upon God so as to have any true value and meaning in the first place. Supplemental Note:
Do the New Atheists Own the Market on Reason? - On the terms of the New Atheists, the very concept of rationality becomes nonsensical - By R. Scott Smith, May 03, 2012 Excerpt: If atheistic evolution by NS were true, we'd be in a beginningless series of interpretations, without any knowledge. Yet, we do know many things. So, naturalism & atheistic evolution by NS are false -- non-physical essences exist. But, what's their best explanation? Being non-physical, it can't be evolution by NS. Plus, we use our experiences, form concepts and beliefs, and even modify or reject them. Yet, if we're just physical beings, how could we interact with and use these non-physical things? Perhaps we have non-physical souls too. In all, it seems likely the best explanation for these non-physical things is that there exists a Creator after all. http://www.patheos.com/Evangelical/Atheists-Own-the-Market-on-Reason-Scott-Smith-05-04-2012?offset=1&max=1
Verse and music:
John 15:5 for without Me, you can do nothing." O Come, Emmanuel - (Piano/Cello) - ThePianoGuys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO7ySn-Swwc
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As to trying to locate meaning in any specific part of the brain, this finding certainly does not support that:
Removing Half of Brain Improves Young Epileptics' Lives: Excerpt: "We are awed by the apparent retention of memory and by the retention of the child's personality and sense of humor,'' Dr. Eileen P. G. Vining; In further comment from the neuro-surgeons in the John Hopkins study: "Despite removal of one hemisphere, the intellect of all but one of the children seems either unchanged or improved. Intellect was only affected in the one child who had remained in a coma, vigil-like state, attributable to peri-operative complications." http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/19/science/removing-half-of-brain-improves-young-epileptics-lives.html Miracle Of Mind-Brain Recovery Following Hemispherectomies - Dr. Ben Carson - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3994585/
nor does this help:
Blind Woman Can See During Near Death Experience (NDE) - Pim von Lommel - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3994599/ Kenneth Ring and Sharon Cooper (1997) conducted a study of 31 blind people, many of who reported vision during their Near Death Experiences (NDEs). 21 of these people had had an NDE while the remaining 10 had had an out-of-body experience (OBE), but no NDE. It was found that in the NDE sample, about half had been blind from birth. (of note: This 'anomaly' is also found for deaf people who can hear sound during their Near Death Experiences(NDEs).) http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2320/is_1_64/ai_65076875/
But perhaps the strongest 'proof' that meaning cannot be located in the brain is found thru the nihilism that atheistic materialism itself entails.
The Absurdity of Life Without God by William Lane Craig, Excerpt: First, there is no ultimate meaning without immortality and God. If each individual person passes out of existence when he dies, then what ultimate meaning can be given to his life? Does it really matter whether he ever existed or not? It might be said that his life was important because it influenced others or affected the course of history. But that shows only a relative significance to his life, not an ultimate significance. His life may be important relative to certain other events. But what is the ultimate significance to any of those events? If all of the events are meaningless, then what can be the ultimate significance of influencing any of them? Ultimately it makes no difference. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2149706/posts video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJqkpI1W75c
Indeed,,, to drive this point of nihilism home, I hold that not only can there be any true many FOR life if there is no God, there can be not be any true meaning IN life if there is no God. To draw this point out, it is very interesting to point out how recent findings for quantum non-locality for material particles (A. Zeilinger) without using entanglement, (i.e. modern science finding that individual material particles of the universe must have a non-local, beyond space and time, cause to explain their continued existence within space-time), dovetails perfectly into one of the oldest philosophical arguments for the existence of God and offers empirical confirmation for that ancient philosophical argument. That argument is known as Aquinas' Third way, which is better known today in as the contingency argument.
Aquinas' Third way - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V030hvnX5a4 Contingency Argument 1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature (e.g. mathematical object) or in an external cause (e.g. mountains, galaxies, people and chairs). 2. The universe exists (whether it always existed or not). 3. If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is an external, transcendent, personal cause (that is beyond the universe: beyond space and time: beyond matter and energy: a non-physical, immaterial, spiritual entity that has brought the universe into being: the only thing that fits this description is an unembodied Mind: a transcendent consciousness). 4. Therefore, the (only) explanation inextricably and inexorably for the existence of the universe is an external, transcendent, personal cause. http://biblocality.com/forums/showthread.php?3308-Contingency-Argument
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Hilary Putnam put forward a famous thought experiment called Twin Earth, in which he argued that meaning couldn't be in the head because we could imagine two physically identical people whose brains states were identical but whose words meant different things. The argument involved the only difference on Twin Earth being the stuff that they call "water" was XYZ and not H2O. Thus when a Twin Earther said "water" they meant something different from when an Earthling said "water". Thus, Putnam concluded, meaning isn't in the head. There are a variety of other arguments which come to the same conclusion: one turns on the fact that most people don't know the difference between, say, and elm and a beech. And so as far as their brain states are concerned (indeed as far as their mental states are concerned) the terms differ only in spelling. But, as is noted, it is no part of the meaning of "elm" that is is spelled e-l-m. And so if we switch things round so the word "elm" referred to beeches, and the word "beech" referred to elms, a person would be in an identical state when they said, eg, "an elm is a type of tree", but in the first case the sentence would mean an elm is a type of tree and in the second it would mean a beech is type of tree. Thus identical brain/mental states but different meanings, thus meaning isn't in the head. So, no doubt neuroscientists are examining something - but what they are not doing is examining meaning itself.djockovic
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