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Is Michael Ruse flogging a Dead Moral Horse?

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Ruse asks us to believe that morality is subjective, a product of our genes. We only believe it is objective because our genes determine that is better for us. Let’s be frank, atheism kills morality, and any attempt to get it up and running in a godless system is futile. He writes in this article;

God is dead. Long live morality: Morality is something fashioned by natural selection. That doesn’t diminish its usefulness, or its comfort

‘God is dead, so why should I be good? The answer is that there are no grounds whatsoever for being good….Morality then is not something handed down to Moses on Mount Sinai. It is something forged in the struggle for existence and reproduction, something fashioned by natural selection….Morality is just a matter of emotions…So morality has to come across as something that is more than emotion. It has to appear to be objective, even though really it is subjective.’

There a number of angles to respond to Ruse. Firstly, what is moral? It isn’t enough to say that evolution can make us moral, we have to ask what is good morality.

Why should we consider murder to be wrong at a foundational level. As Ruse notes lion’s are often multiple murders so Darwinism doesn’t help us decide. Is morality just about social cooperation? In Hobbes state of nature every man is against every man, or with Darwinian filial affections, every tribe is against every tribe in a state of nature. But that doesn’t stop tribes fighting, whether they be football supporters, Africans or Caucasians. In a state of nature how do we determine what is moral? Darwinism could lead to family or tribal cooperation in exterminating a rival tribe, but not to good morality. Morality has to transcend human emotions to be at all real.

Secondly, what of truth? A commitment to tell the truth is good morality. But if our genes have evolved to lie to us, then how can we know anything moral with confidence, or trust that what our genes are telling us really is the good? This is an argument for relativisim and confusion in ethics. Modernism opens the door to post-modernism.

Ruse would do well to read Phillip Johnson’s article Nihilism and the End of Law.

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/JohnsonNihilism.php

“Arthur Leff had a deeper understanding of what the death of God ultimately means for man. He saw modern intellectual history as a long, losing war against the nihilism implicit in modernism’s rejection of the unevaluated evaluator who is the only conceivable source for ultimate premises. Leff rejected the nihilism implicit in modernism, but he also rejected the supernaturalism that he had identified as the only escape from nihilism.”

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...something fashioned by natural selection... Natural selection does not "fashion" anything; it only throws stuff out. How can this not be obvious? Moral relativism is internally inconsistent and self-refuting. It is a truth claim about the nature of morality which asserts that no truth claim about the nature of morality are valid. Michael Ruse seems like a nice guy and is relatively eloquent, but he's profoundly confused and muddled in his thinking.GilDodgen
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Why make excuses if no behavior is morally wrong? I'm totally serious in asking this question. Why bother with a legal system, jails, prisons, probation, trials, or anything else if no behavior can be considered wrong and is simply a product of our genes? This is ludicrous, and I'm sure that Ruse knows it.Barb
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morality is an illusion...morality has no foundation
It's a bit unclear in a physicalist worldview how consciousness pops into existence in the first place to have this illusion, and even more bizarre how genes or biological simples would decide what is an illusion and what is not. Is it the genes or the molecules that compose them that "always know that we should be moral" or is it an immaterial substantial I or self? Have they run out of answers and now treat everything as illusions. Illusions of design, illusions of consciousness, illusions of morality...Franck Barfety
March 18, 2010
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Dr. Ruse's initial premiss can take him to no other alternative. Can the rest of his argument, no matter how well crafted, take him anywhere else?toc
March 18, 2010
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A question for believers: Suppose that a god exists and that he commands you to behave a certain way. How do you decide whether to obey him?pelagius
March 18, 2010
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wagenweg,
Mr. Ruse in my genetically evolved opinion is an idiot!!
You can make a point without name calling. If you continue I will put you into moderation.Clive Hayden
March 18, 2010
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It's not a dead horse. It is a horse that never existed. People are not moral because "something forged in the struggle for existence and reproduction, something fashioned by natural selection" tells them what to do. How about this: Tell Ruse's view to people waiting through the night for their execution for refusal to do things that they know to be contrary to the moral law*. And then get out of the way, if they are not tied up. Remember Todd Beamer, and "Let's roll!" (*the law of nations, in the Catholic tradition)O'Leary
March 18, 2010
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I don't understand how atheists can claim a moral good without god? Mr Ruse says, " The murder rate among lions, for instance, makes downtown Detroit look like a haven." There is no moral code for lions!!! Where there is no code there can be no violoation!!! therefore a lion killing another lion is NOT murder!!! The reason it is murder when humans do it is because there is a moral code!!! And if there is a moral code there has to be a moral code giver!! If we are all moral code givers then whose morality is magisterial? Besides that, if evolution is the sole reason that morality exists then how horrible evolution must be to have evolved into people like Hitler, Mussolini, Jeffrey Dohmer, Charles Manson, Jack the ripper, and many more. According to Dr. Lutzer, Hitler's killings were not murderous because he had created a legal system that made it unpunishable by law to kill Jews because it was considered in the best interest of Nazi nationalism and therefore not murder. (When a Nation Forgets God) Ruse also says, " It is something forged in the struggle for existence and reproduction, something fashioned by natural selection. It is as much a natural human adaptation as our ears or noses or teeth or penises or vaginas. It works and it has no meaning over and above this." So from an evolutionary standpoint it would make sense from a reproductive sense that rape (by the smartest, strongest, etc) would promote the species better than trying to follow this ideal of love where the least intelligent, weakest, ugliest, etc can and do reproduce. From an evoltionary perspective this cannot be ruled out as unreasonable. Hitchens actually has stated that love IS "transcendent" but god cannot be. (in a debate with Dr. Lane www.reasonablefaith.com) I guess the double standard is also evolutionary. However if you have ever met or known someone who has experienced rape, try telling them that what they are feeling is purely chemical and the perpetrator was just trying to promote the species according to his genetically based morality. See how that person responds. Ravi Zacharias makes a good point. In some cultures they love their neighbors and in other cultures they eat them. I wonder if Mr. Ruse has a preferrence? Mr. Ruse in my genetically evolved opinion is an idiot!!wagenweg
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