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In a recent post over at Why Evolution Is True, Professor Jerry Coyne addresses what he regards as the “main incompatibility between science and religion.” Coyne is confident that science is a legitimate arbiter of truth because “there’s only one brand of science, with most scientists agreeing on what’s true,” whereas “there are tens of thousands of brands of religion, many making conflicting and incompatible claims.” In today’s short post, I’d like to explain why Coyne’s assertion about science is fundamentally mistaken.

First of all, “conflicting claims” and “conflicting brands” are two very different things. At any given moment, there are literally thousands of conflicting and incompatible claims being made within each field of science. That’s part of the way science is done. Scientists call these claims hypotheses. Scientific hypotheses are continually being tested, and the vast majority of them end up being falsified or substantially modified. However, multiple conflicting claims don’t overthrow the unity of science, because scientists all agree on a single method for testing those claims: the scientific method (illustrated below, image courtesy of Professor Theodore Garland and Wikipedia). Right?

Wrong. As philosopher Paul Feyerabend trenchantly argued in his work, Against Method, the notion that there is a fixed scientific method is a myth:

Against Method explicitly drew the “epistemological anarchist” conclusion that there are no useful and exceptionless methodological rules governing the progress of science or the growth of knowledge. The history of science is so complex that if we insist on a general methodology which will not inhibit progress the only “rule” it will contain will be the useless suggestion: “anything goes”. In particular, logical empiricist methodologies and Popper’s Critical Rationalism would inhibit scientific progress by enforcing restrictive conditions on new theories.
(Preston, John, “Paul Feyerabend“, The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Spring 2016 Edition), edited by Edward N. Zalta.)

Professor Coyne might reply that while the scientific method evolves over the course of time, it is still something which all branches of science are more or less agreed on, at any given point in time. But this won’t do, either. Consider the sciences of cosmology, chemistry, biology, psychology and archaeology. Can anyone credibly claim that these branches of science all practice the same method? The only thing which these various disciplines could be said to share in common is that they continually generate hypotheses which can be be tested and experimentally falsified. Is falsifiability the hallmark of science, then? Alas, no: it turns out to be neither sufficient nor necessary to define science.

One problem with the falsifiability criterion is that it is far too loose: religions could also be said to generate hypotheses and discard them when they prove false. The history of the Millerite movement affords an excellent illustration of this point. In 1822, a Baptist lay preacher named William Miller became convinced that the return of Christ would take place around the year 1843. He gathered quite a following, and when 1843 passed without incident, another preacher named Samuel Sheffield Snow, who was a disciple of Miller, announced his conclusion that the Second Coming would take place on October 22, 1844, instead. Many of Miller’s followers were sadly disillusioned when this prophecy also failed to eventuate, but some formed new churches of their own, the most notable of which is the Seventh Day Adventist Church. October 22, 1844 was reinterpreted as the date when Christ entered the Holy of Holies in the heavenly sanctuary, and began his “investigative judgment” of God’s professed followers. The Second Coming will occur shortly after a “time of trouble,” when the Church will be persecuted worldwide.

Another problem with the falsifiability criterion is that not all scientists accept it, anyway. In a provocative 2014 article for Edge, theoretical physicist Sean Carroll described falsifiability as a scientific idea “ready for retirement.” Carroll argued that the virtue of any scientific theory lies in its ability to account for the data, regardless of whether the theory is empirically falsifiable or not. Carroll contended that if string theory and the theory of the multiverse are able to unify physics and account for our observations, then it makes perfect sense for scientists to accept these theories, even though we have no way of falsifying them:

In complicated situations, fortune-cookie-sized mottos like “theories should be falsifiable” are no substitute for careful thinking about how science works. Fortunately, science marches on, largely heedless of amateur philosophizing. If string theory and multiverse theories help us understand the world, they will grow in acceptance. If they prove ultimately too nebulous, or better theories come along, they will be discarded. The process might be messy, but nature is the ultimate guide.

Professor Carroll’s views remain highly controversial, and many prominent scientists vehemently disagree with them. In an article in Nature (vol. 516, pp. 321–323, 18 December 2014) titled, Scientific method: Defend the integrity of physics, physicists George Ellis and Joe Silk concur with the verdict of theoretical physicist Sabine Hossenfelder, that “post-empirical science is an oxymoron,” and they conclude that “[t]he imprimatur of science should be awarded only to a theory that is testable.” Nevertheless, it is undeniably true that over the course of time, many scientific theories end up becoming immune to falsification, simply because they come to define an entire field. It is safe to say that atomic theory will never be overturned, because it defines the field of chemistry; and evolutionists would have us believe that their theory defines the science of biology, in a similar fashion. (Of course, it doesn’t; as Dr. Jonathan Wells has pointed out, if anything defines the science of biology, it’s cell theory, which it is safe to say will never be falsified, either.)

We have seen that the view that there is a single way of doing science is a historically naive notion, which forces the various branches of science into a straitjacket and overlooks their vital differences. But there is another, deep-seated flaw associated with the “single method” view. What it ignores is that within a given branch of science, there are often profound and ongoing differences between individual scientists as to how that branch of science should be practiced. This is true not only for the arcane science of theoretical physics, but also for sciences such as biology and psychology, as well. Wikipedia lists no fewer than 40 different schools of psychology, for instance. It is very hard to see what a radical behaviorist who denies the reality of mental states has in common with a cognitive psychologist, for whom mental states play a vital explanatory role. What separates these schools of thought is not just their theories, but their whole view of what it means to be a human being. In particular, is what we call “thinking” merely a complicated piece of behavior, or is it something which we need to posit in order to explain our behavior?

The example cited above might be dismissed by people who regard psychology as a “soft” science. But nobody can deny that biology is a bona fide science. And what is becoming increasingly apparent, in the twenty-first century, is that the field of biology is fragmenting. The ongoing feud between Darwinists and adherents of Motoo Kimura’s neutral theory of evolution may perhaps be papered over. But it cannot be denied that evolutionary biologist Eugene Koonin’s appeal to “the logic of chance” and to multiverse theory, as a way of explaining “biological big bangs,” is far removed from conventional evolutionary theory. Professor James Shapiro’s concept of natural genetic engineering, which he touts as a new paradigm for understanding biological evolution, is another example of the fragmentation currently occurring within the science of biology. Dr. Michael Denton’s structuralism (an idea he borrows from the nineteenth century biologist Richard Owen), is an even more radical case in point, as it rejects historical explanations for a host of complex structures, in favor of “laws of form.” Lastly, it could be said that the Intelligent Design movement represents a fundamentally different approach to the science of biology from that favored by most scientists during the past 140 years – one in which intelligent agency plays a vital role in explaining biological systems which perform a highly specific function, but whose origin cannot plausibly be ascribed to either chance, necessity or some combination of the two.

The most that could be said for Coyne’s simplistic claim that there is “only one brand of science” is that within any branch of science, there may be long periods during which there is a “dominant paradigm” which dictates how that particular science should be practiced, and that there is a “family resemblance” between the various ways in which science is practiced, in different fields. Professor Coyne had the good fortune to grow up during a period when a single “dominant paradigm” governed the science of evolutionary biology. Now, the dominant paradigm has splintered; and perhaps Coyne would be well-advised to reconcile himself to Chairman Mao Zedong’s policy of “letting a hundred flowers bloom and a hundred schools of thought contend.”

At any rate, what is beyond dispute is that Professor Coyne’s trumpeting of the methodological unity of science as a ground for making it the sole arbiter of truth can no longer be defended: it is philosophically naive, historically inaccurate and at odds with the way in which real science is done. Coyne’s diatribe against the “tens of thousands of brands of religion, many making conflicting and incompatible claims,” is equally ill-informed: almost 70% of humanity now adheres to just one of three religions (Christianity, Islam and Hinduism, which are all broadly monotheistic), and it is fair to say that the 800-million-odd adherents of folk and indigenous religions will probably be absorbed into one of these three religions (or Buddhism), with the rise of globalization. What’s more, the claims of Christianity, Islam and Judaism are certainly testable over the long-term, and all of these religions are potentially falsifiable by scientific discoveries. (I’ve previously described what would falsify my Christian faith, and the claims of Islam would be falsified if it could be shown that Muhammad was not a real person, while Judaism’s credibility depends critically on the long-term fate of the Jewish people.) In short: the claim that science occupies a uniquely privileged position as an arbiter of truth rests on a distorted view of both science and religion – and, I might add, it naively ignores the discipline of philosophy, which informs both endeavors.

What do readers think?

Comments
Hi bill cole, Thank you for your comments. I believe the case for ID needs to be advanced on two levels: the scientific level and the meta-scientific level. On the scientific level, ID proponents can highlight the glaring inadequacies of unguided naturalistic hypotheses when attempting to account for the origin of life or of FCSI; on the meta-scientific level, ID proponents can argue convincingly that modern evolutionists' attempts to exclude Intelligent Design on methodological grounds reek of intellectual bias, and have nothing to do with good science. It is interesting that in the past couple of years, Jerry Coyne and Larry Moran have come out against the view that science is wedded to methodological naturalism. They now maintain that it's a sensible postulate, but only because it works. In a world where the evidence pointed the other way, it would be sensible to abandon it. Sean Carroll says the same thing. That's heartening.vjtorley
February 21, 2016
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They assume the existence of an intelligence.
I meant to add this to my previous comment but the editing time ran out.
Denton assumes the existence of unknown forces that cause the phyla and novelties.
Denton theoretically has written out intelligence as the direct cause of novelties and the phyla and that there exist in nature something which causes certain combinations of homologs to appear. People like Coyne and Dawkins assume that somehow these homologs appeared through known processes but fortuitously over deep time.jerry
February 21, 2016
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EVOLUTION is a PROCESS not a theory.
Yes this is nonsense. We should define the word "evolution." Lack of a common definition used by all here and elsewhere is one the problems with the debate. Evolution is an outcome (e.g. genetics definition of a change in allele frequencies over time) and as such the cause of these changes is of interest. The process that causes these changes is what is being debated. We know generally what causes trivial changes in the frequencies but the real debate is over massive changes to these frequencies especially when certain alleles go from zero frequency to wide spread frequency within gene pools. No one knows what causes these type of changes so we speculate. But that is all we have at the moment, speculation. Most of it disproven as a source of the changes. When that happens, one has to look for what is not disproven and possible. The argument used against ID is not that intelligence cannot produce the changes but that there never was an intelligence. ID argues that the most likely cause for the changes is intelligence, so this means we must consider the possibility that an intelligence existed to cause the changes. This is Meyer's approach in his doctoral dissertation and in his two books. It is what Darwin used to justify his approach, process at work currently in the world were at work in the depths of time. Nothing definite about an intelligence only that intelligence can cause the changes and there is nothing definite to rule out the existence of an intelligence. So both sides beg the question to support their beliefs. The believer in natural evolution assumes there was no intelligence so the causes must have been naturalistic. The believer in ID assumes there was an intelligence in the past. After all Richard Dawkins agrees with the premise that an intelligence is the best explanation. ID does not argue that natural processes could not have caused the changes, only extremely unlikely. And given this conclusion, one must search elsewhere. They assume the existence of an intelligence.jerry
February 21, 2016
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This is also the form of religion that most often conflicts with science.
Is it? If there is one truth and religion is a search for this truth (my understanding of what religion is about), then religion should not conflict with science. What sometimes is offered up as a conflict is bad science. This is not to say there is not bad religion too. Especially, if there is one truth. A typical science project is made up of 4 parts: 1. Description of the problem and speculative hypothesis to solve the problem or explain it. Often based on predictions that should be true if the hypothesis is true. 2. Methodology to investiage the hypothesis or sometimes to explore the problem in more depth. 3. Results from the methodology 4. Conclusions or discussion about the results. Often this is very speculative but people expect this speculation and what happens is that this speculation is then treated as truth when in fact the wrong conclusions are often taken from the results for various reasons or that no conclusions are warranted. In terms of the evolution debate it is section 4 that is the source of nearly all the problems in reaching the truth about what explains the appearance of new life forms over time. If the religion is true, science will not conflict with it. But do not use speculative conclusions from science as the basis to refute a search for truth. Science is only one method for a rationale investigation, and definitely not the only method.jerry
February 21, 2016
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GaryGaulin @ 41,
Then scientifically explain how “intelligent cause” works, like you are supposed to!
Wrong again. The ID approach is to investigate natural processes as if they were designed. ID makes no claims about the designer. It could be an advanced alien race. You know, among the billions and billions of stars.
EVOLUTION is a PROCESS not a theory.
Rubbish. A complete non sequitur. What's your definition of a theory, and what makes evolution not a theory? -QQuerius
February 21, 2016
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GaryGaulin @ 24,
In my models I often change several variables at a time, just to see what happens.
Do you also mix a bunch of reagents just to see what happens? -QQuerius
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Jw777: "The definition of “religion” used by Coyne and frankly most contemporary people is “superstitious untrue belief system I don’t believe in.” According to this definition, NO ONE believes in religion." From Faith versus Fact, pg 15, Kindle edition: "Defining “religion” is a thankless task, for no single definition will satisfy everyone. Belief in a god would seem mandatory , but some groups that look like religions, such as Jainism, Taoism, Confucianism, and Unitarian Universalism, don’t even have that. Other “religions,” like Tibetan Buddhism, may not worship gods, but do accept supernatural phenomena like karma and reincarnation. Rather than argue semantics, I’ll choose a definition that fits most people’s intuitive conceptions of religion, and certainly corresponds to the tenets of the three Abrahamic faiths— Judaism, Christianity, and Islam— that comprise about 54 percent of the world’s inhabitants . This is also the form of religion that most often conflicts with science. The definition is taken from the Oxford English Dictionary: Religion. Action or conduct indicating belief in, obedience to, and reverence for a god, gods, or similar superhuman power; the performance of religious rites or observances." Note that Feser ruthlessly criticizes Coyne for getting his definition from the OED. Apparently, sophisticated philosophers like himself have much better sources for definitions of esoteric words like "religion".MatSpirit
February 20, 2016
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Virgil Cain: “Evolutionism claims to have a step-by-step process for producing biological systems like ATP synthase” MatSpirit: "Really? Who claims that. What’s his name? When and where did he say that and exactly what did he say? Did he just claim to have a step by step description of how ATP was created or did he claim a to have a step by step description of how every chemical in every species that has ever lived was created? That seems to be what ID demands of evolution." VC: "It started with Darwin and it has continued through today." So Darwin, who died in 1882, said that he had a step by step description of how ATP evolved when ATP wasn't even discovered until 1929? Uncanny! No, it's pretty clear that the problem is that, "...many ID stalwarts know so little about evolution that they confuse a general description of how evolution does its work (mutation, natural selection, drift, sexual selection, etc) with a step by step description of how every chemical in every species was created."MatSpirit
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bill cole:
If evolutionary biology abandons the scientific method as a standard and uses inference as a standard then ID as it is currently described as evidence that more likely infers an intelligent cause is fair game.
Evolutionary biologists are not going to abandon the logical process by which even babies figure out how things work. For more information see comment #25 above. You should know that by now. bill cole:
Who the designer is does not need to be described. The debating trick has been to ask about the designer but the inference standard does not require this and therefor asking who is the designer amounts to creating a straw man.
Then scientifically explain how "intelligent cause" works, like you are supposed to! All the goalpost changing talk from the ID movement about an intelligent "designer" that is left up to the imagination of the reader to figure out is just getting you what you asked for. bill cole:
Methodological naturalism no longer matters. I personally prefer sticking to the scientific method but evolutionary biologists do not want this because evolution is not a legitimate theory under this standard.
EVOLUTION is a PROCESS not a theory. At this point maybe I and everyone else should just give-up on you, and instead use the legal system to shut down the misinformation mills that are just ripping people off by misrepresenting science and scientists. I can't take any more of this demeaning scam.GaryGaulin
February 20, 2016
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Gary
Then you admitted that you are in fact one of the most strict believers in methodological naturalism of them all, and still only have a “supernatural” explanation that is still just as unconstitutional to teach in all US public school science classrooms due to your only having a personal religious belief that the premise of the theory of intelligent design is true.
I think you are missing the point. If evolutionary biology abandons the scientific method as a standard and uses inference as a standard then ID as it is currently described as evidence that more likely infers an intelligent cause is fair game. Who the designer is does not need to be described. The debating trick has been to ask about the designer but the inference standard does not require this and therefor asking who is the designer amounts to creating a straw man. The inference standard makes ID as it stands scientific. Methodological naturalism no longer matters. I personally prefer sticking to the scientific method but evolutionary biologists do not want this because evolution is not a legitimate theory under this standard. It becomes an untested hypothesis.bill cole
February 20, 2016
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Tautology The definition of "religion" used by Coyne and frankly most contemporary people is "superstitious untrue belief system I don't believe in." According to this definition, NO ONE believes in religion. If we try to take the oft-alleged definition used by would-be dismantlers of religion, it's more like "beliefs, truths, codes or practices 'revealed' by a source of authority." Unfortunately, one's personal beliefs and personal view of science fits the bill here as well. So, I suspect, they really mean "revealed by a source which I do not personally view as authoritative." Again, according to this definition, NO ONE believes in religion. Then we have the original meaning of the Latin word, which has the rather banal everyday connotation of "what you do in your day." At best, these are your regular behaviors. According to this definition, EVERYONE is religious. There is no such thing as incompatibility between science and religion unless you set out to define them as incompatible. The subject at hand is really this: where does one draw the line for the possibility of a truth which cannot be tested immediately, repeatedly, falsifiably and empirically? We all disagree. Thus, one side is entitled to evolution of the gaps where it fails egregiously at anything remotely empirical, and the other side is entitled to infer intelligence where different forms of specified complexity, information, design and intellect appear. "Science and Religion are Irreconcilable" is not so much a serious philosophical statement as much as an attention grabbing headline.jw777
February 20, 2016
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What is a “Darwinian genetic algorithm? Genetic algorithms are search heuristics and Darwinian evolution isn’t.
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_algorithm In the field of artificial intelligence, a genetic algorithm (GA) is a search heuristic that mimics the process of natural selection. I put "natural selection" in bold, so you don't miss the "evolution by natural selection" part. Also see the "selection" variable in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_algorithm Virgil:
And why does ID have to explain how intelligent causes work? ID is about the DESIGN.
Premise of the "theory of intelligent design": The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. Moving the goalposts to "DESIGN" was another switching of the topic away from the premise of the theory that is only being used as bait.GaryGaulin
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bill cole:
They are admitting that modern evolutionary theory is not testable so under their new rules ID is a competing inference and belongs in the class room next to a natural explanation.
Then you admitted that you are in fact one of the most strict believers in methodological naturalism of them all, and still only have a "supernatural" explanation that is still just as unconstitutional to teach in all US public school science classrooms due to your only having a personal religious belief that the premise of the theory of intelligent design is true. Eliminating methodological naturalism from science takes away a crutch that has most served the ID movement. And you now need a computer model that operationally defines intelligence and explains how intelligent cause works or you will have proven to everyone to be part of a religious scam that runs on wishful thinking, not reality.GaryGaulin
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Hi Gary Gaulin:
Darwinian genetic algorithms do not explain how intelligent cause works.
What is a "Darwinian genetic algorithm? Genetic algorithms are search heuristics and Darwinian evolution isn't. And why does ID have to explain how intelligent causes work? ID is about the DESIGN.
Surrendering to Darwinian based models
If genetic algorithms are based on Darwinian evolution then they are based on a cartoon version of it.Virgil Cain
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VJT all I think everyone including me :-) is missing Dr Moran's point. He is saying that the scientific method and methodological naturalism are off table as far as he and Jerry Coyne are concerned. The question is this the position of a few scientists or main stream? If it is becoming main stream then the tactics of the ID group clearly need to change. They are admitting that modern evolutionary theory is not testable so under their new rules ID is a competing inference and belongs in the class room next to a natural explanation. A real positive case needs to be developed!!! Do not worry about describing the designer because that is a straw-man argument. The only requirement is showing evidence of design.bill cole
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Virgil Cain:
Heck we have done all we can to explain how and why genetic algorithms are examples of evolution by intelligent design.
Darwinian genetic algorithms do not explain how intelligent cause works. Heck, you still can't explain how any intelligent entity works. Surrendering to Darwinian based models by embracing them was a foolish tactic, unless of course you were on purpose trying to achieve another humiliating defeat for the ID movement.GaryGaulin
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Hi Gary Gaulin:
The ID movement is required to explain evolution by intelligent cause, as opposed to evolution by natural selection.
And several have done so. Heck we have done all we can to explain how and why genetic algorithms are examples of evolution by intelligent design.
It has been my experience developing a scientific theory is being avoided by throwing insults like “evos” at those who have good reasons to expect scientifically useful theory from the ID movement, to also scientifically explain how the process of “evolution” works.
Umm evoTARD is an insult. Evo is just short for evolutionist. And seeing they don't have a scientifically useful theory why do they expect one from anyone else?Virgil Cain
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@Vincent Torley My apologies. I forgot that you had made a comment on my blog about not reading Coyne's latest book. It's a shame that you attacked his views without reading his latest book, especially since the book is directly relevant.Larry Moran
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It has been my experience that evos know very little of the position they are pushing.
The ID movement is required to explain evolution by intelligent cause, as opposed to evolution by natural selection. It has been my experience developing a scientific theory is being avoided by throwing insults like "evos" at those who have good reasons to expect scientifically useful theory from the ID movement, to also scientifically explain how the process of "evolution" works.GaryGaulin
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bill cole:
Evolution is taught in the science class room as Darwin’s theory of evolution.
Get it right please: How the process of Evolution works is taught in the science classroom by explaining Darwin’s theory of "evolution by natural selection". If you have no scientific theory of your own then there is no theory from you to teach, to any classroom.GaryGaulin
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Gary Evolution is taught in the science class room as Darwin's theory of evolution. Theory implies that there is a working and testable mechanism. We know this is BS yet this takes up 10% of biology textbooks. If it is a process then it also should have a testable cause as all human processes do....humans :-)bill cole
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MatSpeirit:
Really? Who claims that.
It started with Darwin and it has continued through today.
Or is it just that many ID stalwarts know so little about evolution that they confuse a general description of how evolution does its work (mutation, natural selection, drift, sexual selection, etc) with a step by step description of how every chemical in every species was created?
It has been my experience that evos know very little of the position they are pushing. They sure as heck cannot test the claims of their position. And they always hide behind the skirt of father time. It has also been my experience that evos do not know what is being debated. You seem to be in both boats.Virgil Cain
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According to Dr Moran he also claims on his blog the methodological naturalism is no longer a rule of science.
Methodological naturalism is now only a rule for the ID movement.
At this point I believe all discussion of evolution as a theory needs to exit the science class room because it is not testable science as described by Dr Coyne.
The word "evolution" defines a process, not a theory to explain how the process works.GaryGaulin
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VJT
I won’t further belabor the evidence, except to say that everyone, including Bishop, lives their lives based on the reliability of the scientific method. The ends justify the method. In contrast, religious “ways of knowing” don’t have that reliability: we don’t even know if God exists, much less what he’s like if he does. Different religions of the world all believe different things and have different tenets. If faith were as reliable as science, that wouldn’t be the case. Religious claims have no way of being checked, and that’s why science wins.
I appears that Dr Coyne has changed his views according to Dr Moran. According to Dr Moran he also claims on his blog the methodological naturalism is no longer a rule of science. The goal posts are moving rapidly. I am not sure how to understand this debate any more. My worst impression of this is people are using the tactic of moving the goal post and then accusing the people who did not get the memo of dishonesty. My interest in evolution was that the introduction of the genome as a sequence based on Yockey's 1977 paper made neo Darwinism a very poor description of life's diversity. Neutral theory did not solve this problem. I do not see ID as a replacement for Modern evolutionary theory because it is not a mechanism. I strongly believe that the scientific method should remain the standard of science as Coyne states in 2011. I have lots of confidence in it as Dr Moran would call a way of knowing. I do not have confidence in the inference standard especially if there are only 2 competing hypothesis. If we are having a philosophical debate then lets call a spade a spade and discuss the merits of design vs nature as a philosophical argument that includes untestable evidence. At this point I believe all discussion of evolution as a theory needs to exit the science class room because it is not testable science as described by Dr Coyne.bill cole
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Here: Let Your Baby Test it Out http://www.pbs.org/parents/child-development/baby-and-toddler/let-your-baby-test-it-out/ Babies resemble tiny scientists more than you might think http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/babies-resemble-tiny-scientists-might-think/ Babies Are Born Scientists http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=125575 It's the same thing the Scientific Method illustration is showing.GaryGaulin
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Querius:
For example, the logic of the scientific method requires changing only a single variable at a time.
Where? In my models I often change several variables at a time, just to see what happens. The chart at the top of the page is showing a very simple reasoning process that should not even be an issue. It's how a child learns from experience, how our brain normally figures out how things work or happen(ed).GaryGaulin
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Virgil Cain: "Evolutionism claims to have a step-by-step process for producing biological systems like ATP synthase" Really? Who claims that. What's his name? When and where did he say that and exactly what did he say? Did he just claim to have a step by step description of how ATP was created or did he claim a to have a step by step description of how every chemical in every species that has ever lived was created? That seems to be what ID demands of evolution. Or is it just that many ID stalwarts know so little about evolution that they confuse a general description of how evolution does its work (mutation, natural selection, drift, sexual selection, etc) with a step by step description of how every chemical in every species was created?MatSpirit
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I would make a distinction between the logic of the scientific method and the assumptions of the scientific method. For example, the logic of the scientific method requires changing only a single variable at a time. One violates that requirement at one's own peril. There's no "science" that asserts the converse. On the other hand, one of the assumptions of science is that the simplest explanation should be chosen (aka parsimony or Occam's razor). However, choosing a more elegant explanation on the basis of analogy could be argued as superior to a formulaically simpler one. Weren't we all warned at some point that linear extrapolation in science will most certainly fail? Of course, that happens to be exactly Darwin's error. -QQuerius
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vjtorley:
As I argued in my OP, the Abrahamic religions are eminently falsifiable:
Yes, so with all said and done arguing over falsifiability leads nowhere. It's best to not bother with it, just stick to the science basics of hypotheses testing and development of theories to explain how things work or happened using a model of some kind.GaryGaulin
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MattSpirit, you are confused. Evolutionism claims to have a step-by-step process for producing biological systems like ATP synthase. Yet when pressed all evos go into convulsions. ID does not make such a claim and because of that does not have to support it. We base the design inference wrt ATP synthase on the fact that no one can test the claim tat stochastic process can produce it coupled with the fact it meets the definition of specification.
For instance, suppose I challenged you to tell me exactly how ID says ATP came to be.
That would be exposing you as ignorant wrt science and design-centric inferences. FIRST we determine design exists and then we study it to try to answer those other questions.Virgil Cain
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