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Jeffrey Schloss, and Now Richard Weikart’s Reply to Him

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Jeff Schloss, formerly an ID supporter and Senior Fellow of Discovery Institute (until August 2003 — click here for Way Back Machine), has since been distancing himself from ID and even going on the offensive against it. I witnessed the beginnings of this offensive at a symposium featuring Ron Numbers, Howard Van Till, Schloss, and me in 2007 at Grove City College (go here for the program). His criticisms of ID at that event seemed to me naive and ill-considered. Yet he did seem to advance them sincerely, and I hoped to have an opportunity try to persuade him otherwise, which unfortunately never happened.

Schloss’s critical review of EXPELLED, however, raised his opposition against ID to a new level and frankly upset me for what I perceived as its disingenuousness (the review appeared with official sanction of the American Scientific Affiliation [ASA] on its server here). By offering so many nuances and qualifications, his review missed the bigger picture that many ID propoents really are getting shafted. I confronted Jeff about this and we had an exchange of emails. As it is, Jeff and I go back and had been friends. He contributed to the MERE CREATION volume (1996) that I edited (his essay was a fine piece on altruism and the difficulties conventional evolutionary theory has in trying to account for it). I even had occasion to visit him in the hospital after he had a surfing accident. The exchange ended with my asking him to admit the following four points:

(1) ID raises important issues for science.
(2) Politics aside, ID proponents ought to get a fair hearing for their views, and they’re not.
(3) A climate of hostility toward ID pervades the academy, which often undermines freedom of thought and expression on this topic.
(4) That climate has led to ID proponents being shamefully treated, losing their reputations and jobs, and suffering real harm.

As it is, Schloss never got back to me. I suppose I could have responded to him on the ASA website — Randy Isaac, the executive director of the ASA, invited me, as an ASA member, to do so. But by putting Schloss’s review front and center as the official position of the ASA on EXPELLED, I saw little point of trying to argue for EXPELLED in that forum.

In any case, Richard Weikart has now responded to Schloss’s review on the most controversial aspect of EXPELLED, namely, the Nazi connection. Weikart’s response may be found by clicking here.

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I didn't read all of the Weikart piece, but while I was reading it something stuck in my mind. Darwinism does lead to eugenics, not by purity of derivation but by association. The complaint often comes in the form that Eugenics and racism weren't necessary fallout from Darwinism. To some degree this would be fine, were Science kept restrained to what it directly evidences. But it doesn't. Today we are told that Global Warming is Science. Why? Do we have undeniable proof--flawless computer models, even? No, just that a lot of scientists believe that it is. We're told that Science is only materialistic. Why? Has Science ever reduce all things to pure working parts? No, because, to some, it seems to be the way that technology works. (It's not.) We're told that theism is un-scientific. Why? Is it because we've come up with experiments that disprove God? No. It's because higher education corresponds to a lower level of belief in masses. And some really snide scientific sounding guys don't like it. If the moderns can everywhere argue that there is a mindset, though not purely derived from the evidence of scientific studies--more fitting to Science, then they are only engaged in special pleading: "Those trappings of Science were unnecessary--ours haven't been proven wrong yet!" And because we don't even know exactly what evolution is, it's hard to say what's a proper extensions and what we've used to fill in the blanks. But if we are now trying to push a culture of Science--a vogue of Science, then it is ridiculous to say that all evils must be a direct result of the Science. It's ironic to think that none of this discussion matters to Science, doesn't help clear up the questions on evolution with all the filler is what determines how "scientific" you are and whether or not your a waste of space in Larry Moran's classroom or in any academic department somewhere. For the most part it's even about teaching bored kids who anyone could doubt are 1) going to get just the facts, or 2) care more about the strict facts than achieving status by adopting popular behaviors. Eventually, it is this mixing of Science and politics that has us all here.jjcassidy
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Wonderful piece by Weikart! In the insanity of the Sixties it was perceived that history was an enemy (it didn't support the "agenda"), and now the trivializing of history has resulted in a couple of generations of naive innocents utterly ignorant of how we got to where we are. It is important we know both the good and the bad that has made our world. In school I loved science and math and found history difficult, but I can see that history is more important. History is Hebrew---it's proper telling will preserve us, it's dismissal will doom us---long live the Hebrew side of our civilization!Rude
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It's pretty hard to deny the influence Darwinism had on the 20th Century. And that it was a very bad influence.tribune7
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Weikart.Charlie
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Perfect. Logical, historical, factual, measured, comprehensive
Who? Dembksi or Schloss?sparc
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Perfect. Logical, historical, factual, measured, comprehensive ....Charlie
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