Jerry Coyne bashes the Templeton Foundation, based on new information

Aaron - That image is difficult to undo - 'He is like the guy that puts the turd in the punch bowl and ruins it for everybody else, And then turns around and justifies it, But if somebody else does it he is all over them.' Kal

see also "Wealthy Scandinavian Benefactor Gives US$1.6 Million (Eqv.) To Promote ID" https://uncommondesc.wpengine.com/education/wealthy-scandinavian-benefactor-gives-us1-6-million-eqv-to-promote-id/ martin_r

Jerry Coyne and Richard Dawkins.... two very frustrated guys ... Every single word they ever said turned out to be wrong .... so terribly wrong... martin_r

AaronS1978 @1

I hate Jerry Coyne I really do

But alas there is no Jerry Coyne to hate. Jerry Coyne does not exist!

The Confidence of Jerry Coyne - Ross Douthat - January 6, 2014 Excerpt: But then halfway through this peroration, we have as an aside the confession (by Coyne) that yes, okay, it’s quite possible given materialist premises that “our sense of self is a neuronal illusion.” At which point the entire edifice suddenly looks terribly wobbly — because who, exactly, is doing all of this forging and shaping and purpose-creating if Jerry Coyne, as I understand him (and I assume he understands himself) quite possibly does not actually exist at all? The theme of his argument is the crucial importance of human agency under eliminative materialism, but if under materialist premises the actual agent is quite possibly a fiction, then who exactly is this I who “reads” and “learns” and “teaches,” and why in the universe’s name should my illusory self believe Coyne’s bold proclamation that his illusory self’s purposes are somehow “real” and worthy of devotion and pursuit? (Let alone that they’re morally significant: But more on that below.) Prometheus cannot be at once unbound and unreal; the human will cannot be simultaneously triumphant and imaginary. http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/the-confidence-of-jerry-coyne/?_r=0

And even if there really were a Jerry Coyne to hate. he would not be responsible for his actions anyway since he, (if he existed), would have no free will:

THE ILLUSION OF FREE WILL - Sam Harris - 2012 Excerpt: "Free will is an illusion so convincing that people simply refuse to believe that we don’t have it." - Jerry Coyne https://samharris.org/the-illusion-of-free-will/

bornagain77

LoL! Dawkins and Coyne are who they are because they are trying to defend a losing position. They have to attack because they don't have an offence. On the other hand, I for one, only abuse the abusers. That is I only attack the people who spread lies, bluffs and equivocations. And what I do is expose them for what they are. For that I am attacked with whines of "me too". Don't change the fact that you lie, bluff and equivocate. Whine about the people who expose you. You are very special, Acartia Ed. ET

AronS1977, you don’t have to apologize. I am not fond of the approaches taken by Coyne or Dawkins. Although I agree with many of their views, I find the way they deliver them to be unnecessarily confrontational and abusive. Much like one of the frequent posters here. Ed George

You’re right news He’s just one of those people that gets under my skin, He is like the guy that puts the turd in the punch bowl and ruins it for everybody else, And then turns around and justifies it, But if somebody else does it he is all over them. I understand his scientific insight, I understand his opinion, and I cannot agree with it in any which way but when he acts out and attacks a foundation for showing some consideration to something he very much doesn’t believe in, I get upset There’s no reason for him to care outside of his biased and he should allow his point of you to be challenged no differently than those he challenges. I guess that’s where I have my biggest problem with him, he is not what is good for the goose is good for the gander he is “what’s good for the goose is only good for the goose and everybody else can’t have any, science is only for me, not religion, now go away” Anyways I’m sorry AaronS1978

Sounds to me like a foreign power trying to influence a British election. Now here have we heard about that sort of thing happening before? Seversky

AronS1978, please don't hate Jerry. He is a man who has lived long enough to see the beliefs he based his life on crumbling. It's still worth noting what he says, principally to identify new paths in the light of what he might say about them. Templeton interests may have funded a useful contest but his beliefs force him to hate the group anyway. News

Jerry is old and irrelevant. This is how he responds to that. ET

I hate Jerry Coyne I really do AaronS1978