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John West explains why Discovery Institute will start speaking up about science totalitarianism around COVID

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It’s a powerful piece so read it all. Here are some snippets:

COVID-19 has been used as the rationale for an extraordinary expansion of government power in the name of science: lengthy “lockdowns” of businesses and churches, vaccination mandates, government-imposed discrimination against people based on their medical choices, government-encouraged censorship of dissenting scientific views, and more. Perhaps you support some of these policies as necessary. Perhaps you don’t. But even if you support each and every one of the policies adopted, you ought to be concerned by how they have been imposed. Almost none of the policies were enacted by legislative bodies after an open public debate. Almost all of the policies were enacted unilaterally by executive branch officials asserting emergency powers or by unelected public health officials immune from public accountability.

COVID has shown government officials how to do an end-run around the normal system of checks and balances. They simply need to invoke “science” and declare an emergency — and then extend their emergency orders time and again. Anyone who dares challenge the emergency orders will be stigmatized as “anti-science,” or they will be told they aren’t scientists so they have no right to be heard. Regardless of your view of specific anti-COVID policies, policymaking during the pandemic has set a terrible precedent for the future…

Lost in current debates is the fact that much so-called “misinformation” targeted for suppression actually represents legitimate differences of opinion held by scientists and policy experts. Other pieces of so-called “misinformation” are in reality true facts that those in charge would rather not be forced to address.

For example, it is fact, not fiction, that the government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) has had more adverse reaction reports filed for the COVID-19 vaccines than for any other vaccine since VAERS started collecting data in 1990. Indeed, as of mid-January, 55 percent of all adverse reactions, 59 percent of all hospitalizations, and 71 percent of all deaths reported to VAERS are from the COVID-19 vaccines. What these data mean is subject to legitimate differences of opinion. But the fact that the data exist is unquestionable. Yet if you spend much time discussing VAERS in social media or on YouTube, you are likely to be banned. John West, “The Rise of Totalitarian Science, 2022 Edition” at Evolution News and Science Today (January 31, 2022)

And if you go along with all that, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

In Canada, the natives* are very restless indeed. Lockdown protests have been going on for days. Few reports of violence, just large numbers of people fed up with crackpot medical totalitarianism:

  • That’s from the national anthem: “O Canada, our home and native land”

You may also wish to read: Royal Society: Don’t censor misinformation; it makes things worse While others demand crackdowns on “fake news,” the Society reminds us that the history of science is one of error correction. It’s a fact that much COVID news later thought to need correction was in fact purveyed by official sources, not blogs or Facebook or Twitter accounts.

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Proverbs 26:4. Repent from thinking you know better or are morally superior to the creator of the universe. Repent from rejecting Christ's work on the cross. Repent from your empty pursuits and idols. Grace and Peacezweston
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StephenB says:
If God’s creatures suffer eternal torment, it is because they have separated themselves from their Creator, who is their ultimate good.
Says the guy who quells his conscience by claiming that people in hell would choose to remain there even if given the opportunity to leave, and must imagine that everyone who goes to hell is deliberately doing so with full knowledge that hell is their eternal destination. But of course, you must believe these things, no matter how obviously, outrageously untrue, or else you could not live with it yourself. Eternal torment is self-evidently evil. No argument or imagined mind-reading can make it otherwise. If you were arguing that people with full knowledge chose to go there, and could leave any time they choose, I'd have no problem with it. It would certainly not be innately "evil." However, that's not what the assertion is.William J Murray
February 6, 2022
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LCD, I have headlined the video, here https://uncommondescent.com/ethics/let-us-listen-to-dr-robert-malone-dissenting-expert-on-the-covid-19-crisis/ KFkairosfocus
February 5, 2022
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WJM chiding KF (with an irrelevant comment)
Says the guy who argues that a just and loving God would allow its creations to suffer eternal torment for the “crime” of not loving and worshipping it. Talk about “calibrating yourself!”
If God’s creatures suffer eternal torment, it is because they have separated themselves from their Creator, who is their ultimate good. Separation is the cause, suffering is the effect; the latter follows from the former as surely as day follows night. Even in this life, being deprived of physical goods, such as water, food, and air, will cause suffering. Much greater suffering follows from depriving one's self of all that is spiritually good.StephenB
February 5, 2022
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LCD, a sobering 3 hour interview with a leading dissenting expert with solid credentials. KFkairosfocus
February 5, 2022
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Fair comment: It seems like, on the OP related matters, we are looking at the need to stand up for lawfulness and transparent accountability on the part of power wielders, policy leaders/influencers and opinion shapers. But we also face anti-civilisational, liberty undermining forces perfectly willing to impose dubious societal controls and dangerous surveillance, marginalisation and outright censorship dressed up in lab coats. I am particularly exercised by precedents tied to using QR codes to tag people given that cell phones show just how pervasive tracking technologies could readily be, which could then be at the heart of a chain of liberty eroding precedents and "social credit" type schemes. We also face serious questions on the long term effects of vaccines, given patterns and incidence of adverse events stratified by age and sex etc. Does anyone imagine that blanket indemnification against actions on injuries is a good thing? I suspect a truth and reconciliation commission at global scale may well be advisable, if the festering poison is to be lanced and drained before it becomes ruinous. KFkairosfocus
February 5, 2022
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One of the most revealing interview about Covid . No wonder they try to cancel Rogan . Joe Rogan, JRE-1757, Robert Malone COVIDLieutenant Commander Data
February 5, 2022
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Zweston said,
Anyone speaking with WJM, you need to acknowledge that he is unreasonable.
How so?
He won’t repent no matter the conditions given him.
Er, what? I said I'd be happy to repent in certain conditions; what I said I could not do was "love God." I can't just make myself love someone or something.
His worldview he constructed by seeking the greatest personal pleasure, not truth.
What difference does that make?
There are areas of his life he will not pursue as truth.
I'm perfectly willing to pursue true statements on any subject via arguments and evidence. I've demonstrated myself multiple times as having the capacity to admit other people have the superior argument/evidence. I'm even willing to work on understanding and supporting other people's arguments on my own time, so to speak. I'm not sure how you get more reasonable, or more willing to pursue truth, than that. I may not incorporate that truth into my personal beliefs, but I've demonstrated I'm willing to pursue true statements and admit it even when I'm wrong.
He recognizes that Jesus rose from the dead, which would be the only person he knows of who did that, after fulfilling very specific prophecies from hundreds of years prior (thousands in a couple places for sure)… yet says you can’t know he is God.
I didn't say "you can't know he is God." I pointed out that that evidence is entirely circular in nature.
You aren’t going to change his mind, because the God of the Bible is off the table for him.
Like anyone here is going to have their mind changed about the personal beliefs they hold dear. I'm at least willing to openly admit it.
So, feel free to keep going… I know I did for a while… but I’m done in regards to WJM.
Do you mean this time you are really, really really done?William J Murray
February 5, 2022
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Anyone speaking with WJM, you need to acknowledge that he is unreasonable. He won't repent no matter the conditions given him. His worldview he constructed by seeking the greatest personal pleasure, not truth. There are areas of his life he will not pursue as truth. He recognizes that Jesus rose from the dead, which would be the only person he knows of who did that, after fulfilling very specific prophecies from hundreds of years prior (thousands in a couple places for sure)... yet says you can't know he is God. You aren't going to change his mind, because the God of the Bible is off the table for him. He is the captain of his own ship, the God of his world, and he isn't giving up the throne. He is proud and relies on his knowledge alone. So, feel free to keep going... I know I did for a while... but I'm done in regards to WJM. Grace and peace to all of you. Save your arguments as he won't be reasoned with.zweston
February 5, 2022
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LCD, You are correct in that I am not making an argument. That is because it is self-evidently true that eternal torment is evil.William J Murray
February 5, 2022
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William J Murray The reason people have to spend so much time and effort trying to justify eternal torment is because everyone knows it is evil. That’s why people have to incorporate slide rules, protractors, geometry, algebra, and must refer to an encyclopedia of apologetics in their arguments for it.
:lol: You have no clue what you are talking about. Your feelings are not arguments. Arguments have logic inside and you have not a single logical argument that eternal punishment is wrong. :) PS: A crime doesn't have an expiration date because a crime is an immoral act while time is a measurement tool.Lieutenant Commander Data
February 5, 2022
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WJM, again, please do not put words in my mouth or project notions into my head. KFkairosfocus
February 5, 2022
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The reason people have to spend so much time and effort trying to justify eternal torment is because everyone knows it is evil. That's why people have to incorporate slide rules, protractors, geometry, algebra, and must refer to an encyclopedia of apologetics in their arguments for it.William J Murray
February 5, 2022
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LCD @49, Save yourself the trouble. Eternal torment is evil. No argument can make it otherwise.William J Murray
February 5, 2022
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KF said:
WJM, all I say is please do not put words in my mouth. KF
Says the guy who regularly not only puts words in the mouths of others, but also assigns them beliefs, ideas, thoughts, motivations and character qualities.William J Murray
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William J Murray
RAM, you just calibrated yourself. KF
Says the guy who argues that a just and loving God would allow its creations to suffer eternal torment for the “crime” of not loving and worshipping it. Talk about “calibrating yourself!”
:lol: Could we imagine the mental fitness of a person that argue in favor of criminals? Go tell that to survivors of Hitler camps, or to a child that was raped that what happened to them is not really really wrong , was just a kind of a joke that will be forgiven sooner or later . WJM(=Ram) thinks that the moral law is not absolute because any culpability of a criminal it's temporary and will eventually expire. Unfortunatelly for WJM the time cannot overmatch the moral law, a crime remain a crime no matter how much time will pass a crime is forever a crime , a crime can't became a non-crime after 1000 years or after 1 billion years. Time and moral law are 2 separate dimensions. .Lieutenant Commander Data
February 5, 2022
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WJM, all I say is please do not put words in my mouth. KFkairosfocus
February 5, 2022
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KF, Save yourself the trouble. Eternal torment is evil. No argument can make it otherwise.William J Murray
February 5, 2022
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WJM, why do you insist on putting words in my mouth that do not belong there? And in contexts that have no relevance to what you are projecting? KF PS, on the theological error you just made again, for record I point you to a foundational Christian theological text that speaks to the gift and consequences of freedom of mind (which is necessarily morally governed and which you implicitly premise your arguments on):
Rom 2: 6 [God] will render to each one according to his works: 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8 but for those who are self-seeking1 and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury . . . 11 For God shows no partiality . . . . 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
Here, we again can see judgement based on response to the light of truth and right one has or should acknowledge and live by, however haltingly, struggling-ly: what is the consistent direction of one's life. Further, we note that conscience is a witness where our thoughts conflict leading to a need to resort to right reason informed by sound conscience thus moral prudence and warrant. Explicitly, it is sustained willful moral failure involving knowing disobedience to truth one knows [but may wrongfully suppress] or should acknowledge that is eternally ruinous, where there is a linked point of responsible access to such truth. Starting, with voice of conscience. Where, per previous comment, I note that there is just one reliable witness to the beyond, the prophesied wounded healer who with 500 witnesses broke the power of death. Not every spirit one has a visit with is a witness of truth. If they speak not according to this word, there is in them no light of day, we are warned. It would be reasonable to expect you to onward acknowledge that explicit foundational statement. However, you have now been repeatedly unresponsive. This is for record. Where, while UD is not set up for hosting contentious theological exchanges [I have repeatedly pointed out that there are other places that have relevant panels of experts], a few words are appropriate on the fate of the soul. The soul, being our self-moving inner man, which is not a mechanical composite so is unitary and immortal. It cannot be broken up so once formed it is permanent. The self-driven ruin and failure of a soul, worth more than the resources of a planet, is fearsome. However, that is the point, self-driven, i.e. the doors of hell are bolted, locked and barred from the inside, and its fires are internal, there is no way a combustion would burn what is not material, we are manifestly seeing a metaphor. One that fits with others such as ge hinnon [valley of defilement and rebellion, turned into a dump with spontaneous combustion etc], and indicates that one who says across life that s/he wills will get what s/he wishes, with tears as well as the anger at needless, heedless self ruin noted above. The fires of the soul are passions (I feelin hot, hot, HOT, as Arrow sang), here ultimately self-frustrating as driven by willful alienation from the good. Thus, one is one's own tormentor, as is already manifest from the readily observed nature of the path of ruinous self will. Ironically, such a soul would have just one greater possible torment, that of being eternally in the manifest blazingly holy presence of the One despised and rejected. So, when one sees the provision at fearsome cost of a way of redemption, the cross, we would be well advised to respect and receive it. I write for record, not to entertain what is not appropriate to UD nor do I have the energy and time to go through a contentious exchange, given my continued bereavement. I suggest, there are other places with expert panels where issues are addressed soberly and substantially, with place for questions. Links were already given, I give a couple again. Here is a debate with Craig, his site reasonable faith answers questions. Here is a discussion worth pondering, without necessarily endorsing all said or said elsewhere at the site. Here is another from CRI. Here is where some creationists take up the topic. There are other discussions.kairosfocus
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RAM, you just calibrated yourself. KF
Says the guy who argues that a just and loving God would allow its creations to suffer eternal torment for the "crime" of not loving and worshipping it. Talk about "calibrating yourself!"William J Murray
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ET @31 and 32, Yes, exactly. Here are some links to recent studies . . . Something to keep an eye on: according to a non-peer-reviewed, pre-print paper . . . https://fee.org/articles/spain-s-first-study-on-omicron-finds-vaccinated-people-spread-covid-at-same-rate-as-unvaccinated/ I’ve never heard of the apparently libertarian Foundation for Economic Education (FEE), so here’s a link to the referenced pre-print article: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1279005/v1 Gargling with 0.5% PVP-I for 30 seconds after potential exposure (and only then) seems to be effective against Omicron according to these studies (and others): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7454736/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7959263/ Omicron seems to live on the surface of nasopharyngeal mucus membranes. But one should be aware that these areas also harbor beneficial bacteria that you don't want to eradicate continually. One should make sure to take enough vitamin C, vitamin D3 (and sunshine), Zinc, fluids, and sleep to promote a healthy immune system. This Israeli study finds strong correlation between vitamin D deficiency and Covid-19 deaths: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-study-offers-strongest-proof-yet-of-vitamin-ds-power-to-fight-covid/ More disturbing is the following UK study that seems to show microvascular cardiac damage from spike protein exposure alone. https://portlandpress.com/clinsci/article/135/24/2667/230273/The-SARS-CoV-2-Spike-protein-disrupts-human Symptoms of myocarditis include shortness of breath, chest pain, or heart palpitations. These symptoms are rare but may be a complication of the spike protein from Covid-19 or perhaps even the Covid vaccine itself. An Israeli hospital noticed that even a 4th injection doesn’t seem prevent Omicron, but they haven’t published the results of their study yet: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-trial-worlds-first-finds-4th-dose-not-good-enough-against-omicron/ Personally, I'm remaining hygienically vigilant regarding the now-prevalent Omicron variant and reducing the risk of potential exposures. I treat everyone as if they have chicken pox or measles, which have a similar R0. But that's just me. -QQuerius
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Ram, did you ever answer about the Tovia Singer lies? And how he talked about Hell? I haven't checked back on that thread.zweston
February 4, 2022
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RAM, you just calibrated yourself. KFkairosfocus
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LOL, Ram. Troll warning @36. Well, some of the smartest people say the stupidest things, myself included. -QQuerius
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I just realized. UC is kinda okay as long as you don't read the comments. I'll make an exception for WJM, the most intelligent guy around here. --Ramram
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PAV “P.S. Do you remember when I posted a thread here decrying the efficacy of the “lockdowns”? Do you remember the vitriol I received? “ I do , you took a lot of heat. Today I saw another Fauci lie exposed and vindication of your stance. I hope you have read the John Hopkins study regarding the efficacy of lockdowns and the resulting deaths. Vividvividbleau
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:lol: Why would want the loving vaccine companies to keep secret for the next 50(?) years their contracts "details" ? Answer:Because they have nothing to hide. Trust big pharma church they love you they protect you! :)Lieutenant Commander Data
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The government and mainstream media is using fear of COVID to generate an insupportable, divisive atmosphere, trying to reduce anyone who resists taking a series of experimental injections to the status of hated and ridiculed 2nd class citizens who are not even allowed to challenge the narrative or disagree in the public square without fear of harsh repercussions and censorship. I guess in all such situations there are people cheering tyranny along, as long as it is targeting those they disagree with and dislike.William J Murray
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Vaccines aren't even the best way to fight covid-19. I am not vaccinated, and I know that I have been exposed to covid-19. Yet I have not been sick. I don't wear a mask. I have been to crowded venues with thousands of mask-less people. Nothing. Researchers have proven that zinc prevents the virus from replicating. All you need is an ionophore to get more zinc into your cells. Vitamins D, C and melatonin also play important roles. People are dying from covid because they are deficient in essential nutrients. Natural selection is weeding out the less fit.ET
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seversky:
A government has a duty to do what it can to preserve the health and welfare of the governed.
Several studies have shown a strong correlation between covid deaths and severe cases with deficiencies in essential nutrients such as vitamin D and zinc. Yet the media and government are silent on that. So, I blame the government for all deaths since these studies first started coming out. The covid-19 vaccines are a joke. You can still get very sick even if you are vaccinated. People working in fully vaccinated businesses have to test negative before returning to work if they have been in contact with the infected. The world would have a better chance if everyone watched MedCram covid update videos 59 and 69, and followed their instructions.ET
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