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Judge John E. Jones III as Inquisitor

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[From a colleague:] I understand the importance of the political struggle—not because the truth of neo-Darwinism or ID (or a “third way”) can be settled by the courts, but because Darwinian metaphysics is doing real moral and political mischief in our society, and therefore must be opposed in whatever manner is practicable. From that point of view, Dover was indeed unfortunate.

However, let us not lose sight of the fact that a scientific theory that requires a judge to enforce its teaching cannot be said to be in good INTELLECTUAL health. By proclaiming it illegal to “disparage or denigrate” neo-Darwinism, Judge Jones adopted the principle of the Inquisition, and in so doing rendered both himself and that state-enforced theory ridiculous. Taking a longer view, I think Dover will come eventually to be be seen as a moral victory, in the same way that Galileo’s condemnation is now viewed as a moral victory.

There is only one thing to say to Judge Jones—eppure, si muove!

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Regarding Darwinian evolution, the judge did not "enforce its teaching". It is not required to teach darwinian evolution. In fact, if anyone wanted to enforce any teaching, it was the defendant.Poisson
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You mean to tell me that there is someone who takes chaos "theory," and I use that word very loosely, seriously? That's hard to believe.John Davison
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chaos If you search the ruling for the words disparage and denigrate you'll find it plaintiffs claiming that evolution was disparaged by the school board then you'll find Jones stating the ID denigrates evolution. It's probably fair to say that Jones did indeed rule that disparaging or denigrating evolution is a violation of the establishment clause. The Cobb country Georgia decision by Federal Judge Clarence Cooper is even more blatant in saying exactly the same thing. In the Cobb ID wasn't even mentioned and the extent of disparaging or denigrating evolution that was found unconstitutional was saying it's a theory, not a fact.DaveScot
February 3, 2006
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Did you explain to your colleague that Judge Jones didn't "make it illegal to 'disparage or denigrate' neo-Darwinism"? Did you warn him that this sort of hysteria is really hurting the ID movement? What everyone needs to keep in mind is that the Dover case wasn't about ID. Some of the defendants couldn't even explain what ID was! They were Biblical literalists who hijacked the real ID Movement's good name in order to sneak their religious beliefs into the public schools, and then they lied about it when they got caught. They're laughingstocks, and rightfully so. If the real ID Movement treats them like heroes and martyrs, then the real ID Movement is going to become a laughingstock, too.chaosengineer
February 3, 2006
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Galileo was a great scientist but he really had it coming because he had not proved conclusively that which he claimed. He was given every opportunity by the Vatican to be more reasonable but refused. Galileo had been great friends with the Pope but his ego got in the way, a common problem with minds both great and small. He also insisted that the tides were due to the rotation of the earth. The Jesuits all knew that was nonsense. Furthermore his neglect to properly recognize Kepler was a disgrace. He was lucky they didn't fry him. Fortunately by the time they put him under house arrest he had pretty much blown his intellectual wad. It is unfortunate that the Galileo affair has been used to denigrate the Roman Church which even in Galileo's day was the friend of science and remains so today. I'm still waiting for a Protestant Academy of Science with some Nobel prize winners among its membership. Christian DeDuve comes to mind and an old colleague of mine from Washington University, Rita Levi-Montalcini, both Nobel laureates and members of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. That is one organization I would be willing to join but the prospects don't look very rosy. I am too nasty.John Davison
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