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To all of our materialist friends who say that morality is subjective and determined by society:

John Davidson brings this to our attention:

A post at Get Religion caught my eye yesterday with the title, “Should Amazon tribes be allowed to kill their young? Foreign Policy editors aren’t sure.” It linked to a story in Foreign Policy magazine from April 9 about a handful of indigenous tribes in Brazil that engage in the ritual killing of infants and children—namely, those with a disability, twins, and the children of single mothers, all of whom are considered to be a bad omen—and the legal efforts underway to end the practice.

Now, our subjectivist friends have argued repeatedly that morality is determined by society.  These tribes have determined that killing innocent children is an affirmatively good thing.  I assume you agree that — for these tribes at least — killing innocent children is indeed an affirmatively good thing.  If that is not what you think, please explain why.

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LarTanner @ 29: That is the question we are exploring isn't it. I notice you continue to dodge the question in the OP. Are you going to answer it?Barry Arrington
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So...killing a baby is evil. Period. Full-stop. For any reason. In all times and places. No matter which intelligent agent causes the death. Correct?LarTanner
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LarTanner. "This seems to suggest that there are some reasons that justify killing a baby. . . Please explain." The explanation is quite simple. You misinterpreted the comment. Lar, do you have an answer for the question in the OP?Barry Arrington
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Hmmm...
Killing a baby for no other reason than that its mother is unmarried is evil.
This seems to suggest that there are some reasons that justify killing a baby, or that there is a certain minimum number of reasons after which killing a baby is not evil. Please explain.LarTanner
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Prediction: Allan Keith will deny saying what he said and proceed to try to split linguistic hairs.Barry Arrington
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Allan Keith when your metaphysical commitments drive you to tell monstrous lies ("I don't know if murdering babies is good"), perhaps you should reexamine your metaphysics. I doubt you will.Barry Arrington
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Allan Keith
I don’t know if killing babies of single mothers . . . is good . . .
Allow me to clue you in Allan. Killing a baby for no other reason than that its mother is unmarried is evil. You know that. When you say you do not, you lie.Barry Arrington
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Mung,
So? Is that objectively bad?
No. But thank you for asking.Allan Keith
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I am certain I am not the only one who noticed that you dodged instead of answering the question in the OP.
I don't know if killing babies of single mothers, defective babies and twins is good for the tribe. Only they can answer that.Allan Keith
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Allan Keith, I am certain I am not the only one who noticed that you dodged instead of answering the question in the OP. I will ask it again:
I assume you agree that — for these tribes at least — killing innocent children is indeed an affirmatively good thing. If that is not what you think, please explain why.
Barry Arrington
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Allan Keith:
Seems rather counter-productive to me.
So? Is that objectively bad?Mung
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But maybe I’m lying about that: you never can trust a liar, can you, Barry?
You can trust them to lie.Mung
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I don't know any innocent children.Mung
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Killing children in the Amazon, killing homosexuals in Saudi, aborting Down's fetuses, doctor assisted suicide. If you guys are arguing for the existence of objective morality, why do you keep providing examples of subjectively derived moral values? Seems rather counter-productive to me.Allan Keith
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Christian morality holds that it is always evil to willfully kill an innocent human being. But you don't need to go to tribes in the Amazon jungle to find those who disagree. Look at the elite in America, Europe, indeed all advanced countries. They've decreed that it is okay to kill innocent and defenseless humans, and so we do. In America, its a million every year. In that ballpark. And genocide is back, thanks to our elite. In America, we kill 70% of our Downs syndrome population, before they can even breathe. In especially barbaric regions like Scandinavia, its over 95%. In Iceland genocide is totally successful, with all of Downs Syndrome children being killed. Wouldn't the Fuhrer be jealous!chris haynes
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JDK:
I’m tired of these arguments,
Yet, here you are. So it is my flaws that keep you from defending your position that killing children is OK as long as everyone agrees with you? OK.Barry Arrington
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I'm tired of these arguments, and have no interest in relating to you, given what I consider your flaws as a interlocutor. And I have never been a part of any discussion about Canaan 3,500 years ago: I have no idea what that remark is about. But maybe I'm lying about that: you never can trust a liar, can you, Barry?jdk
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JDK @ 12: "No." I don't blame you. The cognitive dissonance of holding a metaphysic that sanctions the killing of innocent little children must be overwhelming sometimes. Best to avoid thinking about it. Prediction: JDK will attempt to divert the discussion from what is happening right now today to his distorted and uninformed view about stories from Canaan 3,500 years ago.Barry Arrington
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No.jdk
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JDK, Are you going to answer the question in the OP?Barry Arrington
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eddified @ 6: Good question. What say you Bob? Is killing homosexuals in Saudi Arabia a good thing? The Saudis think so. Are they objectively wrong?Barry Arrington
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jdk @ 8: Yes, I am strongly antagonistic against people like who-am-I-to-say-the Nazis-were-objectively-wrong Bob, who are soft on the Holocaust. Besides you are wrong. Here is the question again. Read it carefully:
I assume you agree that — for these tribes at least — killing innocent children is indeed an affirmatively good thing.
Bob answered "yes." That means that he agrees that for these tribes at least killing innocent children is indeed an affirmatively good thing. The question is not what the tribes think. As you said, what the tribes think was stated in the post. What would be the purpose of asking it? The question is -- given what the tribes think -- are they correct. JDK, this is all obvious to anyone who gave the post and Bob's response half a second's thought. But thinking is hard and half a second is a long time. I understand why you avoided it. Or it might be that you really believe that Bob is saying something like: "The post says the tribes think killing children is good. Therefore, I agree the tribes think killing children is good." If that is what you are saying, you are just gobsmackingly stupid. Of course the post says what it says. Does anyone else think I was asking Bob whether he agrees that the post says what it says? Barry Arrington
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You misread Bob, Barry. Re-read 3: Bob is stating that yes indeed these tribes consider it a good thing, because that is what the article said. Bob was not stating his own view. Your strong antagonisms distort your thinking, sometimes, I think.jdk
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a no-brainer
Happens invariably for Bob O'H. Andrewasauber
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@Bob O'H do you also agree with the Saudis then that homosexual sex is wrong in the Saudi Arabian society, punishable by extreme measures including death? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Saudi_Arabiaeddified
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Bob @ 3. At least you are intellectually consistent. A moral monster. But consistent.Barry Arrington
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In Canada and Europe, there is now pressure to extend the practice to the killing of children and others who cannot give consent. Once the basic premise is granted, it is not stoppable and - in truth - the post-modern progressive is fine with it. Humans are morally equivalent to animals anyway, in his view.News
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I assume you agree that — for these tribes at least — killing innocent children is indeed an affirmatively good thing.
Well, the preceding sentence was
These tribes have determined that killing innocent children is an affirmatively good thing.
so it is a bit of a no-brainer.Bob O'H
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Killing of innocent children should only be allowed for the mother and only during the first 9 months of the child's life.aarceng
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When told of a Sati (burning widow alive at her husband's funeral) was about to take place, Charles Napier informed those involved that he would stop the sacrifice. The priests complained to him that this was a customary religious rite, and that customs of a nation should be respected. Napier replied:
Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.
Modern "progressives" would say Napier was wrong to stop this important cultural practice. Modern progressives are morally bankrupt idiots.Barry Arrington
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