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Kirschner and Pollock dance around design

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[From a colleague:] Any UD readers in the NYC area may want to attend this June 6 seminar on ID at St Bartholomew’s Church (Episcopal) in Manhattan:


Scroll down to see the event details; information is also available here:


Two of the speakers are Marc Kirschner (Systems Biology, Harvard), whose book with John Gerhart, The Plausibility of Life, addresses ID critically, and Robert Pollack (Columbia Univ), whose book Signs of Life talked in detail about the parallels between DNA and language. Pollack, a geneticist, now runs a religion-and-science program at Columbia:


Don’t miss a really amazing paragraph on Kirschner’s Harvard webpage:

“Organizing Space and Time: In the development of an organism, as in the theater, timing is everything. Imagine if, one night, the actors in a play were to miss every single cue, delivering each line perfectly, but always too early or too late. The evening would be a disaster. The same is true in embryonic development. Starting at the moment when sperm and egg meet, cells in the embryo send signals to each other to coordinate the growth of organs, limbs, and tissues. Not only do the signals have to be correct, they also must be perfectly timed. Otherwise, disasters like cancer can result. The Kirschner lab studies, among many other things, the way a developing frog embryo orchestrates numerous signals to yield the final, complex organism. Just as multiple cues would destroy an actor’s ability to deliver his lines at the right time, it would seem like the existence of multiple signals ought to result in cellular cacophony. But, somehow, the cells in the embryo can sort out the meaning of the different signals that are bombarding them. In particular, the lab is investigating the signals that tell cells when to divide.”

Kirschner, who is quite critical of ID in his recent book, is here proposing a metaphor for metazoan development that underscores its elegant coordination and thus points seductively toward design.

I saw Dr. Pollack recently in NYC at a "Science and Faith" panel discussion at the American Museum of Natural History. I thought he was very good. He's an obervant Jew, a scientist, and a professor. He even teaches a science course to Christian seminary students. Karen

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