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Legacy media reporter admits: “Creationism doesn’t affect the way science is done”

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From John Stossel at Townhall:

We’ve been told conservatives don’t believe in science and that there’s a “Republican war on science.”

But John Tierney, who’s written about science for The New York Times for 25 years and now writes for the Manhattan Institute’s City Journal, told me in my latest online video, “The real war on science is the one from the left.”

Really? Conservatives are more likely to be creationists — denying evolution.

“Right,” says Tierney. “But creationism doesn’t affect the way science is done.” More.

If we are dealing in the present day (as opposed to a pretend past about how the human ability to raise the eyebrow leads to the human mind), creationism can indeed have no impact on science at all.

But then neither can the alternative.

Here’s the vid.

See also: Eyebrows: More from the world of “may have” science on human evolution

17 Replies to “Legacy media reporter admits: “Creationism doesn’t affect the way science is done”

  1. 1
    tribune7 says:

    I think Rachel Carson gets a bad rap. Good ideas inevitably get taken to far.

    In the ’60s there really was a problem with insecticides killing birds — and insects becoming resistant to them.

  2. 2
    Allan Keith says:

    Tribune7,

    I think Rachel Carson gets a bad rap. Good ideas inevitably get taken to far.

    I agree. The link between DDT and declines in raptors is very clear. And once it was banned, the birds slowly came back. Persistent pesticides such as DDT should never be used, and degradable pesticides should be used cautiously.

  3. 3
    tribune7 says:

    I wouldn’t say never but the way it was handled before Silent Spring was creating a disaster.

  4. 4
    Allan Keith says:

    I would say never because there are alternatives available. DDT was just too indiscriminate a killer of insects.

  5. 5
    ET says:

    DDT: A Case Study in Scientific Fraud:

    The chemical compound that has saved more human lives than any other in history, DDT, was banned by order of one man, the head of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Public pressure was generated by one popular book and sustained by faulty or fraudulent research. Widely believed claims of carcinogenicity, toxicity to birds, anti-androgenic properties, and prolonged environmental persistence are false or grossly exaggerated. The worldwide effect of the U.S. ban has been millions of preventable deaths.

    Here is another good read:

    DDT Ban Breeds Death

    Then we have:

    The lies of Rachel Carson

    DDT is good. Knee-jerk societies are not

  6. 6
    News says:

    All pesticides should be used cautiously.

    As a gardener, I (News) do not use any pesticides at all in a home urban garden. A plant that gets overloaded with pests is just wrong for the environment.

    Of course, an industrial farm somewhere has different problems; I accept that. But then any industrial facility has different problems from a healthy urban environment.

  7. 7
    Allan Keith says:

    The big question is, at what point do human benefits trump environmental and ecosystem damage? Keeping in mind that we are part of the environment and the ecosystem. Although, I do find it strange that those who support DDT are the same ones who say that indiscriminately burning fossil fuels do not have an impact.

    Everything we do has an impact. Farming. Paving roads. Damming rivers. Restricting sex education. Restricting access to contraceptives. Providing contraceptives.

  8. 8
    ET says:

    Wait, human benefits do not include environmental and ecosystem damage.

    But indoctrinating our children with the pseudo-science of evolutionism is the most detrimental thing a society could ever do- it has an impact- negatively.

  9. 9
    Allan Keith says:

    ET,

    Wait, human benefits do not include environmental and ecosystem damage.

    We agree. That is why DDT was banned. As was leaded gasoline, lead paint, mercury and asbestos products, PCBs, etc.

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    tribune7 says:

    –I would say never because there are alternatives available.–

    If there are better alternatives it’s moot point, but if DDT is the best solution then making a dogma that it is bad to use will backfire.

    Dogmatic environmentalism is one of the reasons why Rachel Carson has unfairly become a bogywoman.

  11. 11
    ET says:

    Allan doesn’t like to read and doesn’t care about facts. DDT was banned due to a hoax- pseudo-science.

    Oh, that’s why you agree with it.

  12. 12
    Mark from CO says:

    AK @ 7 and 9

    Yes, everything we do has an impact. Not farming. Not paving roads. Letting rivers run free. Sexualizing our youth at a young age. Providing contraceptives on demand. Promoting activities that are harmful for the development of people.

    The point is whether the activity is beneficial or not. My guess is we will disagree on what is and isn’t beneficial. I do find comfort that in most cases, the evidence sides most closely with me.

    Mark from CO

  13. 13
    Allan Keith says:

    ET,

    DDT was banned due to a hoax- pseudo-science.

    One of us has made a living as a chemist for the last thirty years. What have you been doing?

    DDT is a very good insecticide. In fact, too good. It kills mosquitoes as well as their predators (and bees and other insects beneficial to humans). And, on top of that, it breaks down very slowly, and its metabolites are themselves toxic. DDT and its metabolites almost whiped out predatory birds through a previously unknown mechanism.

    I currently run a proficiency testing program for laboratories that test for environmental contaminants, including DDT. We are still detecting DDT in our waterways several decades after it was banned. The pesticides we now use against mosquitoes are more effective, more specific to mosquitoes, and degrade quickly. Anyone who would prefer to return to the use of DDT knows nothing about it, nor about modern pesticides.

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    ET says:

    DDT and its metabolites almost whiped out predatory birds through a previously unknown mechanism.

    Evidence please

    And why is it that you just ignore the science and the claims referenced? Why don’t you at least try to ta=ke them on?

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    asauber says:

    Restricting sex education. Restricting access to contraceptives. Providing contraceptives.

    Good lil’ proggy. Regurgitate your betters talking points.

    Andrew

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    ET says:

    And being an IDist didn’t prevent my kid from getting an A+ in Biology I and getting the highest score on the biology final of everyone taking Bio I. 😎

  17. 17
    ET says:

    Geez, Allan Keith all I did was ask for evidence…

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