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Looking back: Why I think ID is winning 1

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Having reported news on the ID scene for about five years now, I could give a number of reasons why I think ID is slowly winning the intellectual battle, but let me focus on just one for now: The increasingly preposterous claims made by anti-ID zealots.

At the high end, we have this editorial in New Scientist, in which we are advised,

But perhaps we have the very notion of intelligence wrong. Scientists are beginning to see that the toughest problems – how to control complex traffic flows, for example – are better solved through the random evolution or self-organisation of artificial systems than by human reasoning (see “Law and disorder”). Such thinking appears to be moving towards the mainstream, as societies increasingly face complex problems that overwhelm the human mind. Engineers are finding that their task is not so much to find solutions as to design systems that can discover their own.

If the NS editors were right, we should see non-life evolving slowly into life all around us, but for some reason we don’t. The most fundamental lesson early biologists learned was that life does not self-organize – i.e., it is NOT spontaneously generated; it is passed on, life to life.

Not only should spontaneous generation be true if they are right, but so should magic, Magic, after all, is simply another name for sudden self-organization.

That’s right folks – just toss the bedclothes into the air and they’ll come down in a perfect mitred-corner bed. Just toss whatever into the stew pot, sans cookbook, and you’ll evolve a gourmet dinner. How generations could have come and gone, and no one ever noticed that before is beyond me. Cinderella’s* fairy godmothers, after all, did the housework via self-organizing sprinkles of magic dust.

My point is that if they need to descend to arguments like this in order to avoid considering design, they might as well start examining design seriously. It’s not going away; in fact, the signal is getting louder all the time.

And what’s all this stuff about “complex problems that overwhelm the human mind”? Human problems are complex because different people see solutions in different directions. Many lobby governments on behalf of their disparate views, hence the continual cacophony, to which one must learn to listen selectively for some shards of common sense. People who feel overwhelmed by it shouldn’t be offering advice to the public.

I put New Scientist at the high end. For the low end, try this stuff. These people sesem, for the most part, incapable of a civilized argument – or at least that is how they choose to represent themselves. That can’t be good news for their cause.

*Bill Dembski has written me to point out that it was Sleeping Beauty, not Cinderella, who had the fairy godmothers who magically self-organized their housework. Bill’s children are way younger than mine, and this proves it. My apologies.

Also, just up at The Mindful Hack
The neuroscientist and Shakespeare – no, actually, this is The neuroscientist and Shakespeare – no, actually, this is fun!

Philosopher: Why you cannot be both an evolutionist and a materialist

Coffee break! Why two heads are NOT better than one!

The Spiritual Brain: Vindicating Alfred Russel Wallace, the “other” discoverer of natural selection?

Neuroscience: why the carrot and the stick motivates donkeys but not people

Religion: It got started to avoid the spread of disease?

Prayer: Asking for more than healing

Prayer: Are studies of intercessory prayer an insult to God?

What we see is as much reality as we can deal with

Comments
Denyse, I read the article in question and I didn't see any critique of ID, only a critique of intelligence in certain circumstances. Maybe I just don't do meta well, but it seems you are working awfully hard to gin up some column inches on this one. Charlie, you are right. Mibad. I have a visceral reaction to mangling of names (be the names of politicians or political parties) and I reacted without reading for context. My apologies, Jerry.terry fillups
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Re the NS argument on the power of mess to self-organize: At this point, I think it's just a case of any old shoe to throw at ID. But they are running out of shoes that they could be seen wearing ... . Venus Mousetrap, New Scientist IS high end for lay mags. I have never seen one in a clip joint, for example, and that is a useful criterion. That said, I agree with your critique. I have read as much foolishness in NS as I have noticed on the covers of the checkout counter tabs. For example, NS: Why evolution predicts a two-headed space baby Tab: Shocker!!! NASA is hiding a two-headed space baby from the world!!! The main difference, so far as I can see, is that NS makes unfalsifiable predictions instead of falsifiable ones. I once reasoned with a tab reader thus: Suppose NASA space aces had hold of a two-headed space baby. The aces could up their budget by $100 billion practically overnight. So why would they hide the little wretch instead of cashing in? The response: "Well, you never know what goes on in high places." So that's why she reads the tabs and the crunchy granolas read New Scientist. They know what goes on in high places. They inhabit them.O'Leary
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What I find amusing about the given quote is that it at once derides human intelligence in favor of 'randomness and self-organization', then points out that both of these things can be and are part of a designer's toolbox. Which would indicate that any apparent 'randomness and self-organization' is not evidence against design.nullasalus
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Denyse: while you don't seem to say it very clearly, are you trying to imply that because scientists have to design systems to self-organise, real life must either a) be designed, or b) must have the capability naturally? If it's b, then perhaps you want to steer clear of what's known as the 'peanut butter argument' territory. If there was an abiogenetic event, it happened four billion years ago and took a few billion years to make anything interesting. That's hardly magical. Magic would be it happening in a second, or in six thousand years, which as you say is ridiculous.Venus Mousetrap
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Denyse: I'd hardly put New Scientist at the high end, it's a popular science mag. I can only take so much 'Why Everything You Know Is Wrong And Actually Stuff Falls Upward Into A Parallel Backward Universe Where Time Does Not Exist' before I get fed up, and NS exhausted that pretty quickly.Venus Mousetrap
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f the NS editors were right, we should see non-life evolving slowly into life all around us, but for some reason we don’t.
Denyse, I realize meta-commentary is more your niche, but the editorial you are critiquing references an article, also in New Scientist. This article is about the complexity in road networks, not biology. Could you offer some thoughts on that article?terry fillups
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Tom Riddle's link references a judge allowing the barring of credit for course teaching "creationism" and "Biblical infallibility". Since ID does not entail either of these concepts, is the article really relevant to Denyse's point?russ
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O'Leary, That's exactly right. Never quite thought of it that way but what good scientific theory needs a lawyer? What's so funny is that I probably knew more about evolution than 90% of my college classmates and I didn't believe in it. I'll teach my kids all about evolution and they won't believe a word of it. They don't want you to have knowledge of evolution. They want to make you believe it. This is forced ideology. Purely socialistic thinking. This isn't '1984'. 'They can have my mind when they pry my cold, dead fingers from around it'ellijacket
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Actually, Darwinism is the only supposedly scientific theory I have ever heard of that always seems to need a legal defense fund - and thrives simply by expelling opposition. That is a reliable mark of falsehood.O'Leary
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