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This is the cover from New Scientists magazine for March 31, 2018:

The materialist editor who wrote the text for the cover is deeply confused about at last two things:

  1. He implies that we “know” that inequality is morally wrong in the same way we “know” the earth orbits the sun.  But that is true only if morality is objective and part of that objective morality is that inequality is wrong.  But by definition materialists cannot believe in objective morality, because they reject any transcendent moral code by which to judge moral claims.
  2. Under Darwinist principles inequality is the natural state in the struggle of all against all.  After all, in a world of “survival of the fittest,” the “fittest” are anything but equal.  Why should the editors suggest that inequality, which is inevitable in their worldview, is wrong?

As I have written before, the Christian idea of equality of all men before God is the foundation of the political idea of the equality of all men under the law.  Don’t take my word for it.  Atheist professor Yuval Noah Harari agrees.  In his international bestseller Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind, Harari wrote:  “The idea of equality is inextricably intertwined with the idea of creation.  The Americans got the idea of equality from Christianity, which argues that every person has a divinely created soul, and that all souls are equal before God.”

This passage comes from a longer passage in which Harari argues that the ideas expressed in the Declaration are so much imaginary drivel.  He writes:

Both the Code of Hammurabi and the American Declaration of Independence claim to outline universal and eternal principles of justice, but according to the Americans all people are equal, whereas according to the Babylonians people are decidedly unequal. The Americans would, of course, say that they are right, and that Hammurabi is wrong. Hammurabi, naturally, would retort that he is right, and that the Americans are wrong.  In fact, they are both wrong.  Hammurabi and the American Founding Fathers alike imagined a reality governed by universal and immutable principles of justice, such as equality or hierarchy.  Yet the only place where such universal principles exist is in the fertile imagination of Sapiens, and in the myths they invent and tell one another. These principles have no objective validity.

It is easy for us to accept that the division of people into ‘superiors’ and ‘commoners’ is a figment of the imagination. Yet the idea that all humans are equal is also a myth.  In what sense do all humans equal one another?  Is there any objective reality, outside the human imagination, in which we are truly equal? . . . According to the science of biology, people were not ‘created’. They have evolved. And they certainly did not evolve to be ‘equal’.  The idea of equality is inextricably intertwined with the idea of creation.  The Americans got the idea of equality from Christianity, which argues that every person has a divinely created soul, and that all souls are equal before God.  However, if we do not believe in the Christian myths about God, creation and souls, what does it mean that all people are ‘equal’?  Evolution is based on difference, not on equality. Every person carries a somewhat different genetic code, and is exposed from birth to different environmental influences.  This leads to the development of different qualities that carry with them different chances of survival.  ‘Created equal’ should therefore be translated into ‘evolved differently’.

Just as people were never created, neither, according to the science of biology, is there a ‘Creator’ who ‘endows’ them with anything. There is only a blind evolutionary process, devoid of any purpose, leading to the birth of individuals. ‘Endowed by their creator’ should be translated simply into ‘born’.

Equally, there are no such things as rights in biology. There are only organs, abilities and characteristics.  Birds do not fly because they have a right to fly, but because they have wings. And it’s not true that these organs, abilities and characteristics are ‘unalienable’.  Many of them undergo constant mutations, and may well be completely lost over time.  The ostrich is a bird that lost its ability to fly. So ‘unalienable rights’ should be translated into ‘mutable characteristics’.

And what are the characteristics that evolved in humans? ‘Life’, certainly. But ‘liberty’? There is no such thing in biology. Just like equality, rights and limited liability companies, liberty is something that people invented and that exists only in their imagination. From a biological viewpoint, it is meaningless to say that humans in democratic societies are free, whereas humans in dictatorships are unfree.

Harari’s analysis is remarkably clear-eyed for a materialist atheist.  He admits that under materialism, human dignity does not exist; universal principles of justice and equality do not exist; human rights do not exist; liberty does not exist.  All of these things are social constructs resulting from entirely contingent physical processes.

Kudos to Harari for acknowledging what he sees when he peers into the abyss.  As for the editors at New Scientists, well, we have their measure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Bob O'H:
The United States of America is also a social construct.
By what definition? Social construction Clearly you don't have a clue...ET
April 3, 2018
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Bob (and weave) O'Hara, since you are presenting yourself as someone who can readily discern between what exists and what does not exist, perhaps you can help me figure out how 'neuronal illusions' have acquired this refined ability to dictate to others what is real and what is not???
Basically the atheist claims he is merely a ‘neuronal illusion’ (Coyne, Dennett), who has the illusion of free will (Harris), who has illusory perceptions of reality (Hoffman), who, since he has no real time empirical evidence substantiating his grandiose claims, must make up illusory “just so stories” with the illusory, and impotent, ‘designer substitute’ of natural selection (Behe, Gould, Sternberg), so as to ‘explain away’ the appearance (i.e. illusion) of design (Crick, Dawkins), and who must make up illusory meanings and purposes for his life since the reality of the nihilism inherent in his atheistic worldview is too much for him to bear, and who must also hold morality to be subjective and illusory since he has rejected God. Bottom line, nothing is real in the atheist's worldview, least of all, morality, meaning and purposes for life.
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April 3, 2018
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jjcassidy @ 18 - you should turn your ire towards Barry, who's the one who was implying that anything that is socially constructed doesn't exist. A curious argument for a lawyer to make, but there you go.Bob O'H
April 3, 2018
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The United States of America is also a social construct. Are you saying that the USA does not exist?
Do you know how not to equivocate? Do you know no more analysis than this? How do we say the United States "exists"? Does it exist as an undeniable, necessary fact, or is it an agreement in the minds of people? If you pretend the United States does not exist, there are people whose interest is in the continuation who will inflict whatever discomfort on you they need given the depth of your challenge to the idea. For example, if you go about your day, obeying all the laws of the US, an simply have a penchant for frequently stating "The United States does not exist", some people will try to enforce the idea by social intimidation. Or they could smirk and say "Well, that's Bob!" (a small increment of ostracism). If you break it's laws, however, there are people who will demand that you not do so. People outside our country only respect our country so much as we let them know that we intend to defend it. It's curious though. Was there an "ISIS Country"? No one officially recognized it. And also the committment of ISIS to defend the land they claimed as theirs and their jurisdiction on that land actually did nothing to deter us from trying to destroy their power over the land they claimed. So when claimed jurisdictions go to war, the total standing among other jurisdictions and military power come into play. Had ISIS enough military power, we'd be saying their califate was a "real thing" and we had better adjust to their superior force in being able to defend their claim of being a bonified country. So the people of America claim a land as jurisdiction. Is there a material fact of ownership of land--or jurisdiction over that land? We'd both have to say no, right? So it's a matter of thinking through what we mean in each case by "exist". Not a matter of getting a big "Exists" bin and tossing things in and out. Analysis is process not summation. The interesting thing that remains is that we have a increasing group of mono-focused people who think for a human to insist a prescribed order, against which cases can be made through skepticism, is a hierarchical suppression totally inconsistent with the claims to equality and human decency. And they have developed a pattern of non-necessary insistence on a prefered order of their own to the exclusion of the majority of society, which abuses, counterfeits and erodes the exact values in the older system that it claims for itself. Done mainly as the application of will of one over another. If we've illustrated anything about the "existence" of the United States it's that the case that the will for the United States to exist in the people who prefer it is arguably stronger (or at least at an undeterined level of cost to the challenger) than the will of those people who prefer it not to be. Thus expression of preference and will and the dominance of that will is precisely the dynamic which creates a impression of "country" or the practice of the "United States". And we can trade that for a illusive case of nobody pushing around anybody, but it's implementors pushing around everybody and spouting fabricated nonsense to the contrary that says that it's totally out of the question for anybody to push around anybody (when that's the complete fabric of making collective decisions). But we've established another thing right along beside that. That the "United States" (exists in unity , which is a human resovle of commitment, because material "unity" would ony be an "ibid") in that that it's impression (while not complete in contour) is fairly well understood in in the limits of its effect through historical understanding. The effect of newspapers kind of demonstrates where the current countries of Europe come from. Basically, anybody in the same rough geographical shape who could read and understand the same newspaper suffered "unification wars" where the actual previously insisted states were "unified" into one. Thus, except for some exceptions like Lichtenstein, the jurisdictions in Europe represent the change of concept from a jurisdiction being the land that one man with an army would defend to being a "people" who identified with each other. But whereas the countries of Europe (and in many other places) represent "a people", we prefer that the focus of America be "concepts" about self-governance and inheriting the people-based impression of the "rights of Man". Social constructs are precisely those things that enough people in a given society, culture, or location will fight to preserve the influence as a structure of thought. Look at all you missed under the simplicism of "exists"! What matters less than a binary classification of "exists" or not is understanding of how we can make the claim of existence. The United States is not materially true, at all. It's also not objectively true, if objectivity removes all observers. It's not naturally true, unless we simply see the human order--any human structuring as arising from our biology as a variation of expression of survival strategies. Human equality is then no less true than any structuring concept we insist for ordering our society. "Truth" comes to us from "tree" (think "druid"), thus something that on a practical basis has the soundness of oak. The opposite is "false" (to fail,to fall) or "wrong" (to twist and warp). It's kind of odd that in adopting these imperfect (pragmatically-based) words, we have gestered pragmaticism out the door. In the sense of the thing we used to take it to describe: human equality could well be "true". But the whole idea of social interaction with each other seems to be to suppress undesireable or problematic thoughts within the tribe. That's what you tried to do, this is what I'm trying to do in critiquing your sloppy, no-effect challenge.jjcassidy
April 3, 2018
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Interesting that you use “killing fields”. It’s this kind of thinking that leads to just that outcome.
All I was trying to illustrate is a thought process that proceeds only from the illustration that we love inequality. We *love* everything unequally, and that can actually be a survival mechanism. As long as it is, I cut the whole part of in the vacuum of a rock-solid ordering method, we just get many competing theories of ordering that are simply dismissed, not by a factual equality but a tribal taboo against the horrors of ordering. The criticism that "equality" in the modern world is an essentially Ignorantium argument has been brewing in me for ~2 years. I think it illustrates a challenge to devout materialists who have drawn the line that what is not fact can never be good. That the fact, whether a survival pressure or not is always preferable. However, we cannot doubt that taboos against social ordering have been advantageous to avoid the most divisive of theories or personal opinions. Taboos can actually be good practical things, but can't be solid intellectual analyses. They can't both defend the standard of "Equality" and attack all taboos. In addition, they have to intellectually assent that they cannot proceed in the analysis of the subject the more that they throw up the modern taboo. I have been long tasked by devout secularists to come up with a case where a "lie" (construed by materialists) is preferable to the truth. And I wanted to find it apart from a corner case, like a personal exception when somebody is dying. The New Jacobins have decided to completely overturn everybody's life for "Equality" (and some Fraternity, less on Liberty) and if you don't side with them, your continuity of life--and thus your preference--is far beneath their concern. Thus it ironically creates a hierarchy in the name of a theory of there being no hierarchies. Summary thinkers like materialists and naturalists (as I find them to be) often cannot see the ironies they create because they are "true believers". I find myself more of a Empiricist than those who simply turn their back and assume their summaries are stable. However, I love the idea that we can now think of "human dignity" as illusion. (Not because I don't love the concept). Because it means that Marx's *main* point--that man is alienated from his "dignity" (which doesn't make any sense in a materialistic/observational stance) as a dialectical "materialist" was not at all sensible in materialistic analysis. Perhaps "atheists" who argue that Marxism is simply a "secular religion" are right after all. There was no basis in the material that Marx claimed in his method. Why would *anybody* be following this man, with his laughably incompetent labor theory of value and is equally central motivating factor to "restore" what we would conclude as an illusion. However, I also love that Harari sort of traps himself. If there is no freedom--and we really don't even know the mechanism of making decisions (because there IS none?), we can't think of anybody as "incorrect" because that implies "correction" (what does a negating prefix rely on if not the definition of the word it negates?). Carnap would make us skeptical of the meaning of the applied NOT operator, but what is not(x |P(x)=0)? Isn't that trivially true, for everything given as impossible? If something cannot be the case, the complement of that case must be true in every instance, and therefore is trivial. But his complaint implies that it errors in thought are *correctable*. He wants us to think differently, when it's not even clear that *he* can think differently. Summary thinkers just don't do self-reference paradox. Dennett may have come to a peace with the idea that his consciousness is nothing, but I don't find that much different from Buddhists at peace with the idea that they are illusions. The one thing we can typically do in the most exact of analysis, Mathematics, is prove something false by necessary contradiction. Without the necessary building block of perceived contradiction--and contradiction avoidance 2 = 1, and the exact mathematical analysis of anything is out the door! And forget empirical applications of quantitative analysis! One of the most definitive ways we prove something contradictory is self-reference. This is how Turing's Halting problem works. What we do not know is what happens when a Universal Turing Machine computes a TM given the TM's coding as input. Halting is precisely important, as it's when the iterative computation process halts, we have an answer. But from the decidability of that case we can start determining the decidability of relative cases, to the point we have Rice's theorem, that whether a given Turing Machine has non-trivial properties is totally undecidable. The things that I have observed that modern materialists have almost entirely swapped is the places of those things that it is not clear how we substantiate with those things that are self-referential nonsense.jjcassidy
April 3, 2018
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tarmaras @ 13: Indeed. Dick @ 15: Interestingly, some modern a/mats claim that there IS objective morality built into human beings by evolution. It is an absurd idea, of course, but that doesn't stop a/mats from believing it.Truth Will Set You Free
April 3, 2018
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So, we banish religious arguments from our public square, which means we no longer have grounds for thinking that inequality is objectively wrong, which means we no longer have very good grounds for talking about social justice. Yet, social justice seems to be the only thing many secular folks want to talk about.Dick
April 3, 2018
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When the editor of New Scientist writes that they “know” inequality is morally wrong what they mean is their “feelings” about it are unsettling. A/mats claim there is no objective morality but they often come across features of society that make them feel uncomfortable. And for a/mats feelings are all they have left. A core concept among a/mats is fair and unfair and the unequal outcomes of people’s lives is clearly unfair. Outcomes prove that there is no such thing as fairness or equality. Every individual is unique, and that’s undeniable, full stop. But it doesn’t stop a/mats from claiming that outcomes should be similar, or else that’s evidence of unfairness somewhere in our society. You and I know that each person’s experiences, their talents, the skills they develop, the understanding of the world that comes from their lives, these make true equality impossible. For a/mats its evidence that someone somewhere is making things unfair. They can’t admit this is simply the way the world is, it has to be someone’s fault. How can we determine what is right? For a/mats there is the idea that we can think things through on our own or with likeminded individuals and reach a consensus. This ideal of thinking everything through for oneself sounds admirable. And to a certain extent it is. People should think things through. But if there is no God, there are no moral truths, only moral opinions. If God is not in the picture, then good and evil, right and wrong, don’t objectively exist. They are subjective terms that just mean “I like” or “I don’t like.” In this way feelings come to supplant reason, not just moral truths. This has proven dangerous on more than one occasion in human history. A/mats are righteous about their feelings, and luxuriate in the fantasy that the unfairness of the world is the reason they fail (or succeed). That way they don't have to look in the mirror and recognize their own inadequacies. Materialism is the perfect recipe for those who want to live unexamined lives. And at root it’s childish. Few and far between is the a/mat that has the fortitude to look into the moral abyss denial of God creates and accept the implications. Most just want to mewl and pout about how unfair it is they don’t get to make the rules. It’s time for a lot of them to grow up.LoneCycler
April 3, 2018
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@es58 -- to take it even further, there are no conglomerations of cells, but states of possibility until "something" collapses them into definite states.tarmaras
April 3, 2018
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What this proves is de-evolution. By next year, New Scientist will be carrying articles about how much plants crave Brawndo.tribune7
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Op "There is only a blind evolutionary process, devoid of any purpose, leading to the birth of individuals" Actually there are no individuals either, there are just conglomerations of cells that give the illusion of being individualses58
April 2, 2018
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Et@7 I'll second thates58
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Pretty much what I would expect from New Scientist. A well-known a/mat rag. Also, BA @ 6: Well said.Truth Will Set You Free
April 2, 2018
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jj@5
But that’s sort of an Ignorantium: we can’t objectively justify an ordering system, thus no ordering exists. Meanwhile the whole principle of from-the-slime-we-climb survival-of-the-fittest, each creature advancing by the killing fields of failed adaptations behind him or her suggests that there is nonetheless an objective ordering. Or we could not speak of “advantages” in some and not others.
Interesting that you use "killing fields". It's this kind of thinking that leads to just that outcome.Latemarch
April 2, 2018
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Barry, You will love this one- RodW is over on TSZ complaining that he cannot respond to gpuccio in the Ubiquitin system thread. Strange how he was banned well after that thread got started and was rolling along. Now that he is banned he somehow has something to add to the discussion. (double face-palm)ET
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Allan @ 3:
Another thread about objective morality.
No, Allan. Read the OP again, this time for comprehension. The thread is not about objective morality. It is about the incoherence of materialist moral claims. The New Scientist cover makes sense only if inequality is objectively immoral. Yet the New Scientist editors, materialists all, deny such a thing exists. Therefore, the cover is incoherent given their own premises. Don't you see Allan. Everyone treats morality as if its prescriptions have objectively binding force. But materialists do so even as they deny that premise.Barry Arrington
April 2, 2018
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What we love we place unequal value on. The idea that we love anything suggests that we are filled with preferences for somethings over others. Sure, it's always possible that our affections are out of order for our own good. But the sort of unseen "good" is an ordering of things that benefit us more than we perceive. So the only thing that can adjust the first preference is the second preference of what we "should prefer". I have to wonder if the statement is that we *love* inequality, could that be with the very act of preferring anything, which is an exercise of preference, conscious or not. So of course that "faculty" (to call it that) that is involved in ensuring our self-interest would naturally seem to respond to an ordering of things--even people. Our brains evolved to prefer one thing to another, so no wonder it prefers preference itself. Evolutionary application on how we socialize does nothing to diminish the role we play as a star in our own minds. The theory would say that the others in your society serve as a buffer against predators and living or dying by our own fitness. But that totally frames the value of other people by their utility to me. As part of our should prefer ordering, we should prefer to do maintenance of our relationships with these people. But that doesn't fully remove the value of myself to myself, and the value of the people who do more to benefit me. For years, I've found it remarkable that what people would point to as "obvious" equality of beings, is simply, unexamined skepticism against a universal theory of ordering individuals. But that's sort of an Ignorantium: we can't objectively justify an ordering system, thus no ordering exists. Meanwhile the whole principle of from-the-slime-we-climb survival-of-the-fittest, each creature advancing by the killing fields of failed adaptations behind him or her suggests that there is nonetheless an objective ordering. Or we could not speak of "advantages" in some and not others. I think the "Brights" would point out that this ordering is not predictable. But predictable or not an unseen ordering of fitness and "advantages" is not equality. So we just have to go back to the gap between no completely definable ordering and the jump to "equality" and subject it to a modicum of skepticism. Again, an ordering we don't really know that well is not "equality" just because we don't know what it is. That's a tighter illustration of the essential Ignorantium. The model would be like taking any number of current mathematical conjectures and simply saying in absence of of solid proof that something continues forever, it must not. Ignorance does not create a fact to the contrary. So, I'm wondering how a total lack of ordering is even possible given the idea of natural selection, or even in our social interaction as evolved beings, or beings who perceive things as we do, through this behavior of preference. So is the lack of demonstrable ordering the end of it? I think I can see a parallel to Science-stopping to simply rely on our taboo about "equality". Wouldn't it be Science that could look at somebody genetic makeup from the moment they are born and determine whether it's worth that person to live? That kind of information would be definitely instrumental. Should we really settle for Equality of the Gaps?jjcassidy
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And, just as evolution produces differences rather than equality, there is no reason to expect that it produces these differences at the same rate. As reproductive isolation made men out of monkeys, or so it is implied, there's no reason to believe it can't produce higher orders of men while largely neglecting lesser orders of men. However, with a specifically created ancestry and limited genetic plasticity, while you could argue that "devolution" happens at different rates, the maximum difference isn't arbitrary, and we aren't to expect that the differences will be primarily along the lines of what separates us from primates: mental reasoning. Also, the original pattern remains scattered throughout the whole. Thus, "miscegenation" would tend to bring us closer to Eden, genetically speaking.LocalMinimum
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Another thread about objective morality. I can hardly wait.Allan Keith
April 2, 2018
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Harari’s analysis is remarkably clear-eyed for a materialist atheist. He admits that under materialism, human dignity does not exist; universal principles of justice and equality do not exist; human rights do not exist; liberty does not exist. All of these things are social constructs resulting from entirely contingent physical processes.
The United States of America is also a social construct. Are you saying that the USA does not exist? (that would solve a lot of problems for us Europeans. But Europe is also a social construct, so we don't exist either. Which solve a lot of problems for the USA. Or would do if it exists)Bob O'H
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"we “know” that inequality is morally wrong in the same way we “know” the earth orbits the sun"? I have a difficult time imagining how a human being could be so confused. There is no "know." A human being "thinks" inequality is wrong. It is not an evolved instinct. It is an abstract judgment. Animals have no such concept. The stronger eats, the weaker doesn't. Trust me, they do not care. If you think that's all there is to know about evolution, you are a Darwinist. But anyway, it has nothing to do with ideas like inequality.News
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