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Michael Egnor: How Libet’s free will research is misrepresented

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Sometimes, says Michael Egnor (below right), misrepresentation may be deliberate because Libet’s work doesn’t support a materialist perspective:

Yes, the misinterpretation is very common and it’s almost routine to read or to hear Libet’s work being described as scientific evidence for the absence of free will. Which is bizarre because Libet himself explicitly endorsed the reality of free will, emphatically he endorsed the reality of free will. And Libet point out that his research unequivocally supports the reality of libertarian free will. But his experiments are described very often both in the scientific literature and in the popular press as supportive of materialism—which is something that they don’t support and something that Libet made very clear was not his conclusion.

Michael Egnor, “How Libet’s free will research is misrepresented” at Mind Matters News

4 Replies to “Michael Egnor: How Libet’s free will research is misrepresented

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    BobRyan says:

    Free will is forbidden, since that would require socialists to take responsibility for themselves. They would rather have governments to tell them to hide in their closets out of fear of COVID-19, which is nothing more than SARS 2. Exact same family having the exact same results as it did almost 20 years ago. Socialists demand the government protect them from themselves, since they can’t be trusted with sharp objects.
    I guess Darwinists only believe in natural selection for things that aren’t scary COVID-19. Try reading something that isn’t socialist propaganda and actually learn something. Then again, that would require you to use free will and make your own choices.

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    AaronS1978 says:

    So I listen to this and although I do agree that libet’s experiments are entirely misinterpreted
    Michael Egnor does seem to over exaggerate
    Libets interpretation. You can get Benjamin Libets paper on the topic online, he does reference the Old Testament and Ten Commandments “Thall shall not” But he doesn’t go into declaring that materialistic science is incorrect and that he has proven the soul

    Furthermore they have tested the “free won’t”
    I can’t remember his name at this time but one of the lead free willusionist Oh yes Patrick Haggard tested it and said that there was preceding brain activity but what he proposed was proceeding brain activity was relatively speculative

    Another experiment I think done by Fried or sung, tried to get people to pinpoint when they exercise their free won’t the same way they pinpointed exercising point of well in the normal libet paradigm. Those people couldn’t tell and had a very difficult time trying to do that they concluded that free won’t is obviously subconscious, A mighty leap of a conclusion from the participants had a hard time trying to tell when they used free won’t

    2016 John Dylan Haynes tested it and showed that we could exercise free won’t and that we had degrees of freedom. He was the one that did the stop and go experiment, with a computer reading brain activity of the participants. The moment RP would start the stop light will go on if the participant couldn’t stop that meant that the RP was definitely the brain initiating an action, but the participants could stop, and he even pinpointed when they couldn’t which was at 150 ms right at/ after point of will.

    I hope he read my post.
    This is actually a topic I would be greatly interested in speaking with him about especially since he is a neurosurgeon I would love to figuratively pick his brain

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    AaronS1978 says:

    *sigh* I hear crickets, voodoo voodoo economics Buehler are you there

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    bornagain77 says:

    So atheists/materialists believe free will is an illusion?

    THE ILLUSION OF FREE WILL – Sam Harris – 2012
    Excerpt: “Free will is an illusion so convincing that people simply refuse to believe that we don’t have it.”
    – Jerry Coyne
    https://samharris.org/the-illusion-of-free-will/

    But Jerry, I don’t have the free will necessary for me to chose to believe that I don”t have it! Oh well, let me just stick this quote in right here:

    “Though it always comes as a surprise to intellectuals, there are some forms of stupidity that one must be highly intelligent and educated to commit.”
    – J. Budziszewski

    A few more examples of “some forms of stupidity that one must be highly intelligent and educated to commit.”

    “You are robots made out of meat. Which is what I am going to try to convince you of today”
    Jerry Coyne – No, You’re Not a Robot Made Out of Meat (Science Uprising 02) – video
    https://youtu.be/rQo6SWjwQIk?list=PLR8eQzfCOiS1OmYcqv_yQSpje4p7rAE7-&t=20

    “(Daniel) Dennett concludes, ‘nobody is conscious … we are all zombies’.”
    J.W. SCHOOLER & C.A. SCHREIBER – Experience, Meta-consciousness, and the Paradox of Introspection – 2004

    “There is no self in, around, or as part of anyone’s body. There can’t be. So there really isn’t any enduring self that ever could wake up morning after morning worrying about why it should bother getting out of bed. The self is just another illusion, like the illusion that thought is about stuff or that we carry around plans and purposes that give meaning to what our body does. Every morning’s introspectively fantasized self is a new one, remarkably similar to the one that consciousness ceased fantasizing when we fell sleep sometime the night before. Whatever purpose yesterday’s self thought it contrived to set the alarm last night, today’s newly fictionalized self is not identical to yesterday’s. It’s on its own, having to deal with the whole problem of why to bother getting out of bed all over again.”
    – Alex Rosenberg, The Atheist’s Guide to Reality, ch.10

    The Evolutionary Argument Against Reality – April 2016
    The cognitive scientist Donald Hoffman uses evolutionary game theory to show that our perceptions of an independent reality must be illusions.
    https://www.quantamagazine.org/20160421-the-evolutionary-argument-against-reality/

    “the illusion that our brains evolved to have, a very compelling and persistent illusion – namely that the reality we perceive is real, rather than a constructed representation.”
    – Steven Novella – academic clinical neurologist at Yale University School of Medicine

    Sociobiology: The Art of Story Telling – Stephen Jay Gould – 1978 – New Scientist
    Excerpt: Rudyard Kipling asked how the leopard got its spots, the rhino its wrinkled skin. He called his answers “Just So stories”. When evolutionists study individual adaptations, when they try to explain form and behaviour by reconstructing history and assessing current utility, they also tell just so stories – and the agent is natural selection.
    Virtuosity in invention replaces testability as the criterion for acceptance.
    https://books.google.com/books?id=tRj7EyRFVqYC&pg=PA530

    “Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.”
    – Francis Crick – What Mad Pursuit

    To repeat

    “Though it always comes as a surprise to intellectuals, there are some forms of stupidity that one must be highly intelligent and educated to commit.”
    – J. Budziszewski

    Verse:

    Romans 1:22
    Claiming to be wise, they became fools,

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