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Here, Tribune asks “What problem does Collins have with ID,” in response to my post on his new venture BioLogos, “US government genome mapper Francis Collins fronts new BioLogos theory, preferred to “theistic evolution””

Well, first, truth in advertising, I have written three reviews of Collins’s book, The Language of God, two of which were quite favourable, and the third more thoughtful and critical. The first two merely recommend to book as suitable for a student at Christmas, for example, and I would stand by that. If the student comes home raving that he is an atheist because all scientists are, well, Collins thinks otherwise, is famous, and is an easy read.

But while Collins is an outstanding geneticist, I don’t find him a deep thinker in these matters. So I am not sure how fruitful it would be to worry about what bothers him individually about ID, in an age when even an atheist like Bradley Monton thinks ID discussable and another atheist, Thomas Nagel, thinks ID discussable in schools.*

I am glad that, as others have noted, he isn’t misrepresenting ID as a “God of the gaps” theory (= we can’t understand it, so God dunit), when ID is about what we do understand (design). I assume that that is a sign of his good character.

The BioLogos project seems an effort to protect theistic evolution from the charge of practical atheism, by invoking Scripture. I do not think that will work, but I can certainly see how Christian clergy and scientists of a certain generation and religious preference would embrace it.

Theistic evolution got started in an age when it looked like Darwin was right, and people wanted to hang on to their faith. They professed that one could be a Christian and a Darwinist without paying any attention to the fact that it didn’t work for Darwin and Darwin’s aim was explicitly contrary to theirs, as he made clear to Wallace and Asa Gray.

But now it looks like he was wrong or doubtful, so theistic evolution is an answer to a problem that doesn’t exist. However, so much has been written in its defense and so many careers built on it that we must not expect it to just go away.

I would predict instead that there will be more efforts like Biologos, as theistic evolutionists try to position themselves in relation to current evidence.

*For the record, as a curriculum writer and sometime advisor, I would say that anything should be discussable in schools if the students actually care about it. Making the teacher or the curriculum irrelevant to students’ true concerns is not the way to educate. Not every student who thinks school a waste of time has been wrong, unfortunately.

jerry, I am a Catholic, though not a theologian. I would be very surprised if there ever came to be any requirement that Catholics believe in Darwinian evolution. The Catholic Church pronounces on beliefs if they are considered useful for growth in virtue and salvation. And I cannot see how Darwinian evolution ("nature red in tooth and claw") is of any relevance to such projects. I can see Darwinism working out if all a person wants is to stay alive in a prison on the Angels' range, before he goes back to dealing drugs. But the Catholic position would be that he should repent of his sins and reform his life. So much trouble has come of treating people as though they were animals. O'Leary
"isn’t theistic evolution the official position of your Christianism; Catholocism?" I know some YEC who are Catholic. A friend of mine who is a Catholic and just got interested in the evolution debate sent me a flyer from her church about a YEC who will be lecturing there in the Fall. I know other prominent Catholics who have said ID is interesting and are waiting for more information before deciding on what is correct. I believe the Catholic Church position is that is ok to believe in Darwinian evolution but there is no requirement to. jerry
Denyse, isn't theistic evolution the official position of your Christianism; Catholocism? rvb8
OK. Thank you, Denyse. tribune7

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