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My Final Post at UD

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Last evening I posted the following, and within a short period of time the Darwinbots descended upon it, challenging my expertise in two highly sophisticated areas of computational science, AI and FEA, fields in which I have the goods to demonstrate that I know what I am talking about. One commenter even asserted that the physics involved in an LS-DYNA simulation cannot be represented with mathematical precision. Yes they can. And it works.

At this point I decided that I have nothing further to offer. If some people cannot recognize that the information-processing systems encoded in biological systems defy naturalistic explanation and suggest a design inference, I cannot help them, and they are free to continue to pursue a phantom.

Farewell, and best wishes to all.

Gil

A number of years ago I developed an interest in AI (artificial intelligence) games-playing programming, and pursued a research project in that arena with so much success that I eventually lost interest, because there were no remaining human opponents to challenge. You can read about the project at my website. Real-world experience demonstrated the success of the project.

I now earn my living as a software engineer in aerospace R&D with a specialty in computer simulations, and as a result have pursued another interest: transient, dynamic, nonlinear, finite-element analysis (FEA) using a simulation program called LS-DYNA, originally developed in the 1970s at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory to simulate underground nuclear tests.

My company sent me away to LS-DYNA school after I volunteered, but I was warned that it would be really, really difficult, and that I had better bone up on the relevant math and engineering concepts. I took this advice to heart, and spent at least 200 hours preparing for the five-day course. Even with vast experience in software engineering and this preparation, it took everything I had to keep up with the instruction. The LS-DYNA course was a huge eye-opener concerning computer simulations and reality.

On the first day of the course our instructor, Dr. John D. Reid, who was absolutely fantastic, commented that it is really easy to make “cartoons” with LS-DYNA. (Dyna not only produces vast quantities of data, but generates AVI animations of the simulation.) By that he meant that without a thorough understanding, it is easy to make a Dyna simulation produce whatever results you like, that might look cool, but have no correlation with reality.

LS-DYNA has been under development for more than 30 years by the most brilliant scientists in the field, and its simulations have been compared repeatedly against real-world results. Material physical properties are well known, tested, and quantified (Young’s modulus, Poisson’s ratio, mass density, area moment of inertia, etc.), and the physics involved can be simulated and represented with absolute mathematical precision.

Yet with all of this, the results of a simulation must be scrutinized and evaluated against reality, because a single erroneous assumption or programming error can render the simulation completely invalid.

Which brings me to the point of this essay: The notion that any computer simulation of biological evolution has anything to do with reality is a complete fantasy. And the notion that any computer simulation of the earth’s climate into the distant future can be relied upon is an equivalent fantasy.

These computer simulations are cartoons.

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Dear Gil, You are a great and valuable mind in the ID debate. By all means take a holiday but please reconsider returning.idnet.com.au
April 26, 2009
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Gil, As a reader of UD, and more importantly as your cousin, I'm sorry to see you leave this blog. As you know, I also work in simulation software (in the telecom world at www.portagecommunications.com), and it's frustrated me to no end over the years to see the Darwinian claims about so-called "simulations" that are no more than trial-and-error programs made to reach for predetermined goals. This nonsense is then presented as being proof for undirected evolution. Perhaps you and I should author or edit a book on what simulation is and is not, what trial-and-error search algorithms are, and what the scope and limits of purported "genetic algorithms" are. Best, Stuart HarrisStuartHarris
April 25, 2009
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I am sorry to hear this news, but I understand what you mean. I offer you a story as a parting gift (you may have heard it): --- There was a man who was convinced that he was dead. Despite his friends pointing out that dead people don't speak, or breathe, or think, this man was convinced he was dead. "I am dead," he would wail. So they decided to do an experiment to show him his wrong belief. "It is true that living people bleed. It is true that dead people cannot bleed," they said to him, and used all sorts of graphs and charts to illustrate this well known fact. "You are right," he agreed. "But I do not see the relevance because I am dead". Having established this, they then proceeded (with his consent) to prick his thumb and forefinger with a needle - and sure enough this man started bleeding. "You are bleeding," they said to him. "Given what we've established in our premesis, that only the living bleed, what do you say now?" To which the man replied, "Wow. I guess dead people can bleed too." --- I think it is relevant. Best wishes.Avonwatches
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Gil and friends of music. I am not the tech engineer you guys are, but have been given a fairly decent songwriting gift - you may like and can hear at mortaldreamer.me or alanpomper.mealan
April 25, 2009
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Gil, since I am a fan of yours, I will miss your contributions. Part of the reason is because I feel that I have so much in common with you. Like you, I was fortunate enough to rise from the ashes of agnosticism/atheism and restore some semblance of a life of the mind. Like you, I devoted a significant part of my life trying to master the piano and develop myself as a professional musician. Like you, I discovered that life is bigger than any one vocation or avocation. I sincerely hope that you take William Dembski’s advice and feel free to return at any time. You have given much of yourself on this blog, and I can tell you without hesitation that you have made a positive difference with your presence here. Our world is a better place because men like you are willing to enter into a pubic forum and provide intellectual balm for those poor souls who have been brainwashed in the very same ideology from which you and I barely escaped. Let us be grateful for our blessing. Best wishes. Stephen BussellStephenB
April 25, 2009
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Hi Gil, Barry is running the show now here, but I trust that if you ever change your mind, you'll be welcome. Blessings, BillWilliam Dembski
April 25, 2009
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G'day Gil, I would take on Atom's pholosophical bent, Gil. Take a step back, devote some time to this area in study, and publish. You already know what the arguments are since the same ones reoccur here everytime simulations are mentioned, and you have the background and knowledge to make a decent response. Take a working holiday! I'd also like to see you team up with Atom for a bit of ID music. Atom can lay down the beats and you bring it home with some classical ivory tinkling. Don't know if it'll work, but I'd give it a listen! I like your writing style, Gil, and you've always taken the higher ground. It's something we could all consider in our striving to understand the same evidence.AussieID
April 25, 2009
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hazel wrote:
I can’t even imagine what people could have said that would have challenged Gil’s credentials as much as he says they did. People might have disagreed about the inability to model biological systems, as mauka did, but that’s a disagreement about an idea, not an attack on Gil.
That's the problem with the wholesale deletion of threads and comments. It leaves the readers of this blog with no way of judging the appropriateness of either the comments themselves or of the moderator's response to them. Were the comments over the line, or is Gil overreacting? We'll never know, unless someone has the comments archived somewhere and can post them.mauka
April 25, 2009
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Just goes to show that Darwinists are incredibly religious people. They have strong opinions of how designs should work (what is suboptimal in their mind), yet ironically they know little about engineering principles nor do they really care to apply it to biology if they did. What we find at UD is a history of the Darwinians dodging and/or ignoring threads dedicated to how biological information processing systems (molecular machines) work and how they infer design from engineering and purely logical based POV. DaveScot and GilDodgen have plenty of those if one were to look back in the archives. You'd be lucky to find over 50 comments much less over 550. From an engineering POV, how do the Darwinians reconcile a base 4 system as opposed to NS utilizing the much more simpler base 2 system. For some odd reason NS skipped over 2 bases and implemented the magnitudes more complex base 4. That sounds like a design decision. We all know that if we were to step up to a base 4 system from the binary base 2 we'd need to re-engineer all computer circuitry (logic gates etc...) and subsequent software from scratch, starting from point A. Could biological systems driven by NS and RV have had this same opportunity to start all over? The base 2 system works quite well, and I see no reason for a gradual,step-by-step mindless and purposeless process to jump to a base 4 system since a base 2 system works quite well (as is evident) and is much more simpler to implement. The logical conclusion here doesn't look good for Darwinian evolution.ab
April 25, 2009
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Gil, Hate to see you leave UD, but hopefully your absence here will open up the door for you to do some more research in ID. I wouldn't let personal insults get to you. They don't know you from Adam. Furthermore, if the world can treat the most perfect human as garbage, how would you expect them to treat you? It is enough for a servant to be like his master. :) But as for us, we have work to do. Let them laugh while we build...the time for laughter is quickly running out. AtomAtom
April 25, 2009
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I can't even imagine what people could have said that would have challenged Gil's credentials as much as he says they did. People might have disagreed about the inability to model biological systems, as mauka did, but that's a disagreement about an idea, not an attack on Gil.hazel
April 25, 2009
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I didn't save my comment before Gil deleted the thread, so I can't repost it verbatim. However, it made two points: 1. Of course it's true that simulations must be carefully tested and debugged, but that's true of all complex software. We know how to do it; we have the technology and the methodology. 2. Even complex and messy biological systems can be modeled with stunning accuracy, as this excerpt from Carl Zimmer's book Microcosm shows (page 42):
Bernhard Palsson, a biologist at the University of California, San Diego, has overseen the construction of a model of E. coli's metabolism. As of 2007, he and his colleagues had programmed a computer with information on 1,260 genes and 2,077 reactions. The computer can use this information to calculate how much carbon flows through E. coli's pathways, depending on the sort of food it eats. Palsson's model does a good job of predicting how quickly E. coli will grow on a diet of glucose and how much carbon dioxide it will release. If Palsson switches off the oxygen, the model shunts carbon into an oxygen-free metabolic pathway, just as E. coli does. If Palsson leaves out a particular protein, the model metabolism rearranges itself just as the metabolism of a real mutant E. coli would. It predicts E. coli's behavior in thousands of conditions. The model and E. coli alike make the best of whatever situation they face, adjusting their metabolism in order to grow as fast as they can.
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April 25, 2009
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Gil, that's too bad. FWIW, I was looking at Jonathan Schaeffer's book One Jump Ahead: Computer Perfection at Checkers recently (it had been acquired by my university library, and I check the new books regularly). Schaeffer says some nice things about you there.David Kellogg
April 25, 2009
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Darwinist pigs. Just stop letting them post here already.AmerikanInKananaskis
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Mr Dodgen, I hope you will reconsider at some point in the future. I am very sad to see a tilt of UD away from discussions of science and important methods of investigation such as simulation, towards amorphous arguments about religion and personal philosophy. I apologize if you feel I have shown any disrespect to your obvious accomplishments in game AI, or your learning in FEA. Best regards, NamkashimaNakashima
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Gil, There were some pretty ignorant remarks on that thread. While, I think the more relaxed mod policy is a good thing that doesn't mean there can't be too much of it. It's funny how when they can't dispute the science they make it personal. It's becoming more of a spiritual battle than a science one. I guess that means we won the science :-) Hang in there. Illegitimis non Carborundum (yeah, I know it's bad Latin).tribune7
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