Native Intelligence Metrics

Chunkdz, you beat me to it. I couldn't remember if I saw a post here about DARPA or not last year. The autonomous vehicle contest was cool. 5 teams finished the course last year as compared to none in 2004. Its quite a breakthru. The systems employed are much like what John Hurst outlined. His paper(s) in 2002-3 are prior to contest in 04 and DARPA is listed under Research at his site. Here's his link: http://www.isd.cme.nist.gov/personnel/horst/ For those interested, http://www.grandchallenge.org/, click on different teams. It seemed mostly like off the shelf products with the exception of imaging systems(maybe DOD sponsored) and that's why I remember being so impressed by the results since in 2004 no one finished the race. Working with "rules based" detached systems since 87, I recognize why Hurst would interpret 'detachment' as a Key to a CSI Rules(I) quotient of E(Intelligent system). I assume for Dembski, Dave and others this is quite obvious stuff, but its been awhile for me looking back at Rules based systems. Is the following simple statement the correct interpretation regarding Horst's use of CSI within NIM? The more external rules interpreted by hierarchical access methods of an intelligent system, the more indicative case for intelligent design? Re: his recognition of rules based systems stored externally as Key to complexity. The obvious consequence then is our own application of libraries, network databases and expert systems for storage and retrieval by the human mind. This points to a gigantic gap between human and chimp performance metrics and it can also explain the application of exponential rise of information between humans. This would severely discredit chimps 'closeness' by most standard QA measurements. And in recognition of such a large gap, this naturally leads one to conclude we're missing something when looking at DNA and other molecular components in comparison of our own genome to chimps. Which leads once again to ID's insistance upon Non-Coded areas being significant. Its no longer a 2-4.8% difference in DNA, but a new way of looking at intelligence levels based upon "usage of external rules based systems". Afterall, books are storage units for external rules of science, God and any other information. I'd say time spent on macro-evolution would be a near zero-return on investment and peformance metrics would confirm this observation. Dr. Skell would be justified in his observations that evolution, specifically, macro-evolution is useless in today's scientific progress. Dave is correct, macro-evolution pieces to the puzzle are much like a book of collected stamps. And while I'm sure we can learn much in the way of forensics to historical causes of extinction and many other areas. It offers little I think in looking to mechanisms for future applications and breakthru science. The Design Paradigm takes over. Thus why as posted previously, Intel CEO and others recognize the useless meaning of McEvo to their corporations bottom line. Michaels7

DARPA has been doing something like this for years. Last year they actually succeeded. I'd like to see a comparison of the theoretical to the actual based upon the NIM. The data should be quantifiable in both cases. chunkdz

Hot diggity. Someone actually criticized specified complexity to me by saying it was unused outside of us design theorists. Are there any other substantive uses of specified complexity out there? jaredl