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Neo-Darwinism Impeding Research… Again

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Remember the dark days of vestigal organs? You know, back when there was a list of 180 vestigal organs? Or remember the days of junk DNA – when repetitive DNA, large regions of non-protein-coding DNA, and all sorts of mobile DNA were assumed to be non-functional simply because the investigators had assumed Darwinism rather than design?

And there’s lots more DNA that doesn’t even deserve the name pseudogene. It, too, is derived by duplication, but not duplication of functional genes. It consists of multiple copies of junk, “tandem repeats”, and other nonsense which may be useful for forensic detectives but which doesn’t seem to be used in the body itself. Once again, creationists might spend some earnest time speculating on why the Creator should bother to litter genomes with untranslated pseudogenes and junk tandem repeat DNA. … Can we measure the information capacity of that portion of the genome which is actually used? We can at least estimate it. In the case of the human genome it is about 2% – considerably less than the proportion of my hard disc that I have ever used since I bought it. [Copied from Research Intelligent Design which cites: Richard Dawkins (1998) “The Information Challenge.” the skeptic. 18,4. Autumn 1998.]

Well, it seems that those people who “spent earnest time speculating on why the Creator should bother to litter genomes with untranslated pseudogenes and junk tandem repeat DNA” have been the real winners in the past (and likely upcoming) decade of genome research.

In any case, it seems despite the repeatedly failed efforts to assign vestigality to a range of structures, some people keep pursuing the case.

What can be more innocuous than gene counting? Well, it seems a set of researchers want to revise downward the number of genes in the human genome. I’m not big into counting genes, especially as regulatory regions (you know – “Junk DNA”) seem to be as important as the genes themselves. However, what is interesting is the method these people are using to determine that an open reading frame is not a gene:

Scientists on the hunt for typical genes… have traditionally set their sights on so-called open reading frames… This method produced the most recent gene count of roughly 25,000, but the number came under scrutiny after the 2002 publication of the mouse genome revealed that many human genes lacked mouse counterparts and vice versa. Such a discrepancy seemed suspicious in part because evolution tends to preserve gene sequences — genes, by virtue of the proteins they encode, usually serve crucial biological roles….

To distinguish such misidentified genes from true ones, the research team… developed a method that takes advantage of another hallmark of protein-coding genes: conservation by evolution. The researchers considered genes to be valid if and only if similar sequences could be found in other mammals – namely, mouse and dog

So, the reason that a given gene is suspected of not really being a gene is not because of an empirical analysis of the gene itself, but rather because it doesn’t fly with evolutionary theory!

Now, of course, they mention other possibilities:

the genes could be unique among primates, new inventions that appeared after the divergence of mouse and dog ancestors from primate ancestors. Alternatively, the genes could have been more ancient creations — present in a common mammalian ancestor — that were lost in mouse and dog lineages yet retained in humans.

And then we get:

If either of these possibilities were true, then the orphan genes should appear in other primate genomes, in addition to our own. To explore this, the researchers compared the orphan sequences to the DNA of two primate cousins, chimpanzees and macaques. After careful genomic comparisons, the orphan genes were found to be true to their name — they were absent from both primate genomes. This evidence strengthened the case for stripping these orphans of the title, “gene.”

So again, not additional empirical evidence about the structure/function of the gene itself, just more talk about evolution. If there is no evidence that it evolved, it can’t be a gene! This is yet another way that Darwinism is impeding research.

So, how many genes do they propose removing from the catalogs based on Darwinism? 1? 2? 10? 100? No, it turns out they want to remove 5,000. And not only that, “this work provides a set of rules for evaluating any future proposed additions to the human gene catalog.” Oh great. That’s just what we need – Darwinism to be the official rule book for analyzing the genome.

And of course, no research on Darwinism would be complete without tagging it with a little circular reasoning at the end:

the research reveals that little invention of genes has occurred since mammalian ancestors diverged from the non-mammalian lineage.

Let’s see, we’ll drop 5,000 reading frames from the gene list because they don’t match our evolutionary expectations (they are too innovative), and then come to the conclusion that there hasn’t been any innovation in mammals.

Comments
larrynormanfan:
It assumes common descent, but is that what we’re fighting? I agree with DaveScot that the evidence for common descent is overwhelming.
This is not a case of simply assuming common descent. The assumption would appear, according to the article, that if an ORFan is found, it likely doesn't do anything. This assumption is based upon the RV+NS hypothesis, not common descent. There is no reason whatsoever why a designer couldn't add a few genes to the human line w/o abandoning common descent. Poachy, wierd comment. This study represents the scientific facts in a very darwinian way. Bob O'H, you would make a good research biologist. I would love to see some actual knock-out studies done. I do recognize the challenge of studying humans. Shaner74, "JohnnyB, your post made me cringe when I read it." We all cringe. Yet it is exactly this theory-led error that will ultimately bring neo-Darwinism to its knees. BTW, The link to the actual article on the PNAS site is broken.bFast
January 23, 2008
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It would be better to link to the paper itself rather than just a press release (you can find the paper here.) It assumes common descent, but is that what we're fighting? I agree with DaveScot that the evidence for common descent is overwhelming.larrynormanfan
January 23, 2008
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Thank you, johnnyb. Indeed. Design theory does not begin with an assumption of design, it discovers patterns that can only be attributable to intelligent agency. For example: A forensic scientist does not begin a crime scene investigation with the presumption of either murder or accidental death. He takes an unbiased approach and allows the evidence to speak for itself. His findings will determine his conclusions! Darwinism, on the other hand, begins with the assumption that one can extrapolate minor variation to explain major innovations of body plans, etc. This is done despite the fact that we have no mechanism to explain the origin of information in the genome, the origin of life, the origin of novel body plans, the origin of bilateral symmetry, the origin molecular machines...and the list goes on and on. Design could not be more overwhelmingly proved than what is manifested in our universe!Mario A. Lopez
January 23, 2008
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Clamp M et al. Distinguishing protein-coding and noncoding genes in the human genome. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA. DOI: 10.1073/pnas.0709013104
Wow. How did an ID paper get snuck into the Proceedings of the NAS? How long before the editor there gets Sternberged?poachy
January 23, 2008
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JohnnyB, your post made me cringe when I read it. To think, using darwinism, which is basically the notion that something like molecular machines "just happen", to judge what counts and what doesn't. A complete disregard of the evidence. Does anyone else find this terrifying?shaner74
January 23, 2008
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Mapou -- "Doesn’t the ID hypothesis operate under the assumption that the designer is intelligent and proactive as opposed to being blind?" No. ID operates under the assumption that there _could_ be a designer who is intelligent and proactive, and then develops tests to examine, based on what we know about design and designers, to determine if a given design required a designer. You could, theoretically, have an ID theory which proposed a test for intelligent agency in which life did not pass the test.johnnyb
January 23, 2008
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Bob I was just about to suggest the easiest way to settle the question is to knock out a bunch of orphan genes in a mouse and see what happens to the GM mice. You appear to have beat me to the punch. By the way, you Ebola Boys (TM) seem to think there's something noble about getting your hands dirty. In my line of work senior engineers do the brain work and have technicians do the bench work. It's called division of labor. You should look into the concept. DaveScot
January 23, 2008
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More you cut the truth, more the truth cuts you!Shazard
January 23, 2008
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OK, now here's something where an ID perspective could advance science, and be recognised by scientists as having done so. You now have 5000 ORFs. Go through them, and see if they have any function in humans. There are a few ways of starting - checking if there are regulatory sequences that can switch expression on, for example. Then look to see if you can work out when and where they are expressed, or if they have a predicted function (this can all be done in silico, so you don't need to get your lab coats dirty. Well, apart from the coffee stains). Then you can go to the lab and look for function in the genes you have left. I don't know if any appear on microarray chips, but if they do, that data would be a start. At some point, you will have to do some real lab work - look to see when the gene is expressed in vivo, and what pathways it is associated with (that's real biochemistry, something about which I know rather less). Actually, I would be interested in seeing the opposite comparison done - see how many ORFs in mice are not in other rodents, and chase those (the ORFs, not the rodents). Chasing up the function of these ORFs would be easier, because mice are easier to manipulate experimentally. BobBob O'H
January 22, 2008
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Lopez: Design theory proposes that we study an effect (design) independent of its cause (designer). I'm not sure I get this. Doesn't the ID hypothesis operate under the assumption that the designer is intelligent and proactive as opposed to being blind? I agree that ID does not identify the designer other than to say that he/she/they/it is/are intelligent. But it does stipulate that intelligence is the cause. Correct me if I'm wrong.Mapou
January 22, 2008
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That is the difference between the etiological myths of Darwinian evolution and intelligent design. Design theory proposes that we study an effect (design) independent of its cause (designer). Evolution proposes that we study the effect (junk DNA) to fit the cause (Darwinian mechanism). See the difference?Mario A. Lopez
January 22, 2008
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bFast - One thing to keep in mind about ORFans - many people in the ID crowd think that they will be evidence of independent actions on different phylogenies (i.e. multiple intervention events). Personally, I think our whole view of the genome is going to change radically very soon. I think we'll find that the cause for an ORFan is not necessarily special consideration, but rather that the genome itself is smart enough to produce and deploy proteins as it needs them. In addition, we'll find a modular area in the genome for deploying these newly-manufactured genes, so they can hook up with the appropriate development pathway. What I think we'll find, eventually, is that many of these ORFans were cooked up rapidly, and by our own genomes. This completely invalidates Darwinism (natural selection is nowhere to be found in this creative process), but it must be used carefully by ID'ers to point out that both a smart genome (built by a smart designer previously) and a smart designer are capable of producing unique sequences in different lineages.johnnyb
January 22, 2008
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Yet another landscape of discoveries just waiting for Darwinists to be surprised about five or ten years from now.Apollos
January 22, 2008
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I can't wait until I hear somebody say that there are no accepted genes in the genome that aren't found in other species, thus Evolution. That will be a real LOL.jjcassidy
January 22, 2008
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After careful genomic comparisons, the orphan genes were found to be true to their name — they were absent from both primate genomes. This evidence strengthened the case for stripping these orphans of the title, “gene.” I am not a biologist but doesn't this sound like those orphan genes are part and parcel of what differentiates us from the primates? I guess what I'm asking is, what other genetic characteristics differentiates us from animals? Or is that a dumb question?Mapou
January 22, 2008
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DLH: To those with ears to hear, happy hunting away from the lemming crowd. You are likely to find treasure in this set of genes. Interesting. ID science is turning out to be as exciting as any other. A treasure hunt it is! There's designer gold in them thar hills. ;-)Mapou
January 22, 2008
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johnnyb, you have made a very bold prediction! If a significant portion of these 5000 segments of ORFans* prove to be active genes, ID will have won a significant battle over neo-Darwinism -- if this post is not lost in the rubble. ORFans are an intriguing topic. I chatted extensively about them in Telic Thoughts a few months back. It seems that the scientific community expects no more than 2 or 3 active ORFans in the human genome, and that these will play an insignificant role. I personally believe that all manner of research needs to be done on ORFans to validate the ID hypothesis. *orphan genes get their name from Open Read Frame or ORF, and are also therefore referred to as ORFan genes. Both titles are considered correct. Wikipedia:
An orphan gene is a gene that has limited phylogenetic distribution. In other words, there is no detectable homolog in other organisms.
Translation -- these are genes that pop into the picture, and do not exist in earlier parts of the phylogenic tree.bFast
January 22, 2008
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Wow! It's amazing how people can have such blind faith in a theory while accusing others of being religious. They're always ready to question the data and not their assumptions. How do they get away with it? By the way, a similar situation has arisen in astronomy and spacetime physics. Some stars in the outer regions of galaxies are observed to be orbiting too fast according to both Newtonian gravity and Einstein's general relativity. Rather than suspecting that something might be wrong with the theory, physicists have decided on a solution that anywhere else, would be seen as bordering on the superstitious: they've created a new form of matter, invisible dark matter. The idea, of course, is to rescue a beloved and established theory from an impending death. Fundamentalism seems to be a fundamental part of human nature. Fortunately for the rest of us, not all physicists are buying into the religion. Some, like Mordehai Milgrom in Israel, are challenging the orthodoxy. It's good to see courageous thinkers like Drs. Dembski and Behe challenging orthodox thinking in evolutionary biology. We need those checks and balances.Mapou
January 22, 2008
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So both theists and secularists may worry: "If design is allowed as a (historically) scientific theory, couldn't it be invoked at every turn as a theoretical panacea, stultifying inquiry as it goes? Might not design become a refuge for the intellectually lazy who have refused to study what nature actually does?" Well, of course it might. But so might the incantation "Evolution accomplished X." ~ Stephen Meyerbevets
January 22, 2008
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JohnnyB Good observations and pointing out the circular logic. Observation: There are differences between human beings and other species. Design Principles: An Intelligent Designer will likely combine robust design with efficient design. Proposed ID Prediction: There will be a significant number of novel genes in the human genome that are not in genomes of other species. Proposed ID Prediction: A significant number of these 5,000 "orphan genes" that are not "conserved" by "evolution" will be found to code for novel proteins unique to humans. To those with ears to hear, happy hunting away from the lemming crowd. You are likely to find treasure in this set of genes.DLH
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Junk-of-the-gaps and oh can we have zillions of unknown universes because this one looks too highly fine-tuned?ari-freedom
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