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Neurosurgeon: Neither books nor brains learn, only minds learn

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Recently, neurosurgeon Michael Egnor offered a parable about whether machines really learn. The tale features a book that “learned” to fall open at the right places. Computer scientist Jeffrey Shallit responded, claiming that machines really CAN learn!, and Dr. Egnor responded to him, pointing out that a baseball glove can “learn” the game if adjustment to circumstances is all we are counting.

But he also wanted to make clear to Dr. Shallit, brains don’t learn either. Only minds learn:

Shallit implies that the reinforcement and suppression of neural networks in the brain that accompanies learning means that brains, like machines, learn. He is mistaken. Brains are material organs that contain neurons and glia a host of cells and substances. Brains have action potentials and neurotransmitters.

Brains are extraordinarily complex, and brain function is a necessary condition for ordinary mental function.

But brains don’t have minds, and brains don’t have knowledge, and brains don’t learn. Reinforcement and suppression of neural networks in the brain are not learning. They are a necessary condition for learning, but learning is an ability of human beings, considered as a whole, to acquire new knowledge, not an ability of human organs considered individually. Human organs don’t “know” or “learn” anything. This error is the mereological fallacy. It is the same mereological fallacy [mistaking the part for the whole] to say that my brain learns as it is to say that my lungs breathe or my legs walk. I learn and I breathe and I walk, using my brain and lungs and legs… Michael Egnor, “Do either machines—or brains—really learn? A further response to Jeffrey Shallit” at Mind Matters Today

See also: Can machines really learn? Michael Egnor offers a parable.

Machines really CAN learn! A computer scientist responds to my parable

Also: Inner peace: Is there software for that? Tech billionaire funds neuroscience in a search for the secret of contentment

and

Google is collecting data on schoolkids. Some say it’s okay because the firm supplies a lot of free software and hardware to schools

Children are watching much less TV. But what we learned from children’s TV is coming back to haunt us.

Will AI triumph? Will that phone end up smarter than your kid? If so, it might not happen in quite the way we are told to fear. U.S. kids who spend more than two hours a day looking at screens “perform worse on memory, language and thinking tests than kids who spend less time in front of a device.”

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FF@5
Brains learn by trying new connections and disconnecting them if they fail a learning test. The test is invariably dependent on the timing of pulses or signals. For example, some neurons learn concurrent patterns of signals, i.e., groups of pulses that frequently occur simultaneously.
Interesting....and how would the brain know of the learning failure? Where is that standard set? Nor does any of this "pulse timing" or "signal patterns" explain consciousnesses required to understand the signals.Latemarch
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As both an AI researcher and an ID proponent, I must say that I am disappointed in Egnor. This is total nonsense. The only part of the mind that learns is the brain. Brains learn by trying new connections and disconnecting them if they fail a learning test. The test is invariably dependent on the timing of pulses or signals. For example, some neurons learn concurrent patterns of signals, i.e., groups of pulses that frequently occur simultaneously. The idea that brains do not learn is pure nonsense. Sorry.FourFaces
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Much of biological research has advance by interfering with the function of an organ/tissue/gene to see what the impact is. By doing this we learned that the pancreas is needed to process sugars, the kidney to remove nitrogen wastes, the retina to see, the cochlea to hear. But when the same approach is used on the brain we are told that there is something else.
Interesting transition you made there. From processing sugars and removing wastes to seeing and hearing. There's a 'necessary but not sufficient' in those last two.Latemarch
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By R J’s reasoning computers are just hardware cuz by messing with the hardware we can get the computer to malfunction.
If you think that is what my reasoning is, feel free to proceed along these lines. I suspect that there are others here (BA77, KF) who don’t want you to go down this rabbit hole. But, please, chase the rabbit.R J Sawyer
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By R J's reasoning computers are just hardware cuz by messing with the hardware we can get the computer to malfunction.ET
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Much of biological research has advance by interfering with the function of an organ/tissue/gene to see what the impact is. By doing this we learned that the pancreas is needed to process sugars, the kidney to remove nitrogen wastes, the retina to see, the cochlea to hear. But when the same approach is used on the brain we are told that there is something else.R J Sawyer
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