New atheist Richard Carrier on why the human body wasn’t designed

Mung. Yes our body is from the ape model. Yet it would be refined. it is now quite refined as opposed to apes. it would be more. So upon the fall details would be thrown upon us. Probably teeth and nails were changed instantly at the least. Our whole body with all the mechanisms for fighting disease were invented. There was no disease before the fall or remedy too it. One would barely recognize the original Adam as one of us. To Mike 1962 Nope. Kittys don't have pain by any use of the word. intensity or duration. Female animals don't because they don't have the mechanisms for pain. their offspring don't have large heads or come out squeezing the mother. Not well known but true. i often think its unwelcome to evolutionists even though they give reasons for it. Shhh. Robert Byers

AMW, so does you preferring that you did not have your little toes, wisdom teeth, etc... scientifically prove that neo-Darwinism is true??? Of course not! Neo-Darwinism can't even scientifically prove how a single protein or a DNA molecule came to be in the first place, much less how little toes, wisdom teeth, etc... came to be. What I find interesting in all this is the implicit 'I am smarter than God' thinking that lays behind the 'God would not have done it that way', Bad Design, argument. ,,, Does man, in his supposed great wisdom, even possess the infinite information it would take to create a single photon??? Explaining Information Transfer in Quantum Teleportation: Armond Duwell †‡ University of Pittsburgh Excerpt: In contrast to a classical bit, the description of a (photon) qubit requires an infinite amount of information. The amount of information is infinite because two real numbers are required in the expansion of the state vector of a two state quantum system (Jozsa 1997, 1) http://www.cas.umt.edu/phil/faculty/duwell/DuwellPSA2K.pdf Job 38:19-20 “What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings?" ,,, Also it recently came to my attention that this 'I am smarter than God' and therefore 'God would not have done it that way' thinking, that prevades atheistic mentality, is what also primarily lays behind many people's rejection of the reality of Hell; Hell! We can't Afford To Get This Wrong! - Francis Chan - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnrJVTSYLr8 i.e. instead of the atheist trying to prove evil does not exist, as would be the proper first step in such a endeavor as to deny hell, the atheists merely presupposes he is smarter than God, and that he would not personally create hell, and therefore hell does not exist. Perhaps you excuse me for not finding comfort in your personal druthers of how reality is actually constructed!! Bill Wiese - 23 Minutes In Hell - video http://www.vimeo.com/16155839 Empirical Evidence for Higher Dimensionality https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1deoy-hayxoEu5ffIMEK7gEmJIlq_bCA0-CcifoAu6iM bornagain77

Name one healthy body part you’re sure you’d be better off without. I'll name five: -My little toe on my right foot. I broke the one on my left foot a few months back. I can walk just fine but it still gives me discomfort from time to time, especially when I stub it. I'd prefer to have been born without either of them. -My male nipples. I haven't been able to feed any of my kids with them and they just might get cancer some day. -My wisdom teeth. Well, actually I guess all of them are gone now. But I would have been better of without them (even the three that were perfectly healthy). My wife was born without wisdom teeth and I'm praying all my kids inherited whatever mutation made that happen. -The hairs that started growing out of my ears a couple of years back. What did those come from anyway, and what are they doing there? Why didn't they show up on top of my head where they could do some good? -More generally, my facial hair. It's a pain (sometimes literally) to shave off at regular intervals, but my wife won't kiss me if I don't. AMW

Robert Byers:

For YEC creationists it must be stressed our body and all biology was radically changed at the fall as recorded in Genesis. There is no reason to see our present body as exactly or close to the original.

Is this the same Robert Byers who wrote:

YEC creationists use this to explain why we look like apes.

Mung

For YEC creationists it must be stressed our body and all biology was radically changed at the fall as recorded in Genesis.

What were all those radical changes our body and indeed to all of biology that was recorded to have taken place at the fall? Mung

There is no reason to see our present body as exactly or close to the original.

There's no reason to not see our present body as exactly or close to the original. Mung

I didn't watch the whole carrier video, but as to his comment of the brain consuming 'too much' oxygen, the fact is that this is a point that counts strongly in the mind/body dualist favor; Appraising the brain's energy budget: Excerpt: In the average adult human, the brain represents about 2% of the body weight. Remarkably, despite its relatively small size, the brain accounts for about 20% of the oxygen and, hence, calories consumed by the body. This high rate of metabolism is remarkably constant despite widely varying mental and motoric activity. The metabolic activity of the brain is remarkably constant over time. http://www.pnas.org/content/99/16/10237.full THE EFFECT OF MENTAL ARITHMETIC ON CEREBRAL CIRCULATION AND METABOLISM Excerpt: Although Lennox considered the performance of mental arithmetic as "mental work", it is not immediately apparent what the nature of that work in the physical sense might be if, indeed, there be any. If no work or energy transformation is involved in the process of thought, then it is not surprising that cerebral oxygen consumption is unaltered during mental arithmetic. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC438861/pdf/jcinvest00624-0127.pdf The preceding experiments are very unexpected to materialists, or at least should be, since materialists hold that 'mind' is merely a 'emergent property' of the physical processes of the material brain. Whereas the Theists should expect as such since a theist holds that the human body was designed to 'serve' the soul God placed in the human body. bornagain77

Robert Byers: Later eve ‘s body was changed so she would have great pain in birthing. This is unique amongst females.

Hehe, so you've never seen a cat give birth? Looks pretty painful to me. mike1962

For YEC creationists it must be stressed our body and all biology was radically changed at the fall as recorded in Genesis. There is no reason to see our present body as exactly or close to the original. Further it must be remembered Adam was operated on and lost a part of his body from whence Eve was made. I speculate it was a self-reproduction organ. Later eve 's body was changed so she would have great pain in birthing. This is unique amongst females. Female primates do not have such pain or any. Evolutionists admit this but say its a result of walking upright and human babys having bigger heads. Naw. Its like the bible says. Robert Byers

'Serendipitously', I found this video this morning: Human Anatomy - Impressive Transparent Visualization - Fearfully and Wonderfully Made - video http://vimeo.com/26011909 ===================== Moreover, despite the atheists continued harping on the Theologically based 'Bad design' argument, there is ample reason to believe God designed the Human Body: The Human Body is simply amazing: The Human Body - You Are Amazing - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5246456 Fearfully and Wonderfully Made - amazing trivia - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5289335/ Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;,, Fearfully and Wonderfully Made - Glimpses At Human Development In The Womb - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4249713 Human Genome “Infinitely More Complex” Than Expected - April 2010 Excerpt: Hayden acknowledged that the “junk DNA” paradigm has been blown to smithereens. “Just one decade of post-genome biology has exploded that view,” she said,,,, Network theory is now a new paradigm that has replaced the one-way linear diagram of gene to RNA to protein. That used to be called the “Central Dogma” of genetics. Now, everything is seen to be dynamic, with promoters and blockers and interactomes, feedback loops, feed-forward processes, and “bafflingly complex signal-transduction pathways.” http://www.creationsafaris.com/crev201004.htm#20100405a Psalm 139: 14-15 "I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;,,, When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body." ============= The 'Fourth Dimension' Of Living Systems https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1Gs_qvlM8-7bFwl9rZUB9vS6SZgLH17eOZdT4UbPoy0Y ================== One of the main arguments of evolutionists, if not THE main argument, is the theologically based 'bad design' argument i.e. they maintain that our body is full of defects that God would not put there,,, Refuting The Myth Of 'Bad Design' vs. Intelligent Design - William Lane Craig - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIzdieauxZg ,,,But as our knowledge increases we are finding that the human body is not badly designed at all as Darwinists maintain: “The thyroid gland, pituitary gland, thymus, pineal gland, and coccyx, … once considered useless by evolutionists, are now known to have important functions. The list of 180 “vestigial” structures is practically down to zero. Unfortunately, earlier Darwinists assumed that if they were ignorant of an organ’s function, then it had no function.” "Tornado in a Junkyard" - book - by former atheist James Perloff Francis Collins, Darwin of the Gaps, and the Fallacy Of Junk DNA - Wells, Meyer, Sternberg - video http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/11/francis_collins_is_one_of040361.html Jonathan Wells: On Francis Collins and Junk DNA - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hksGZcqJ5h4 bornagain77

Rube shouts in: Name one healthy body part you’re sure you’d be better off without.

I'd trade half a brain for two eyes, four limbs, 8 ribs, or 16 ounces of good scotch . But I think evolution takes place at the population level, so if you want to know what members of the population I think we'd be better off without ... Mung

I have absolutely no problem believing that Richard Carrier's brain was not designed by God :D mike1962