New Cellular Animation: Journey Inside the Cell

_{Jack Cole

August 10, 2009

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Dr. Stephen Meyer, author of Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design, narrates a new video illustrating evidence for intelligent design within the cell. This excellent new video illustrates aspects of the role of information in the cell including protein synthesis.

From Evolution News and Views:

“This video is going to make things worse for critics of intelligent design,” Dr. Meyer explains. “They will have more difficulty convincing the public that their eyes are deceiving them when the evidence for design literally unfolds before them in this animation.”

Narrated by Meyer, the video is a short tour of the molecular labyrinth, the cell’s sophisticated information-processing system, which not only produces machines, but also reproduces itself.

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bornagain77, thank you, but we're still talking about studies and population samples. Eliciting rudimentary, cognitive information, supposedly streaming from the unconscious isn't fact, it's figment. Studying is fine, however observation is still nothing more than subjective, behavioral analysis - psychology. I am looking for something different - maybe it doesn't exist - and I'm just asking questions.Overburden_{August 11, 2009
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Reading over this thread, I see that it took an abrupt turn. At 18 it was pointed out that the mind cannot be the result of random natural forces. At 19 the subject changed to whether the mind is material or immaterial. These are, of course, two unrelated issues. There is nothing about ID that requires an immaterial mind.ScottAndrews_{August 11, 2009
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CYankee, LOL... mesmerizing, good one :). "All you amino acids are belong to us" The point is to show the process, not just one step, but an entire process at realtime. Obviously you have to consider our ability to see it. But the good point can be made even by showing the beginning and end points, then step by step nanosecond process as it moves with highlights as time ticks off. Maybe even make an interactive flash presentation. Where the user is in control of stepping through it and controlling speed. The Flash movie could allow the user to branch off and come back and forth to different processes in the cell in order to understand the mutual workings of each individual component, network, building and signal structures or pathways.DATCG_{August 11, 2009
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Overburden: May I suggest this reasoned discourse: The Mind and Materialist Superstition - Six "conditions of mind" that are irreconcilable with materialism: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/11/the_mind_and_materialist_super.htmlbornagain77_{August 11, 2009
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William You ask in #27 what I believe is going on; I believe that the consciousness of some people survives death. Why 'some'?Overburden_{August 11, 2009
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Well, Overburden, Von Lommel's study is at 18%, and the Morse "Seattle Study showed over 90% NDE for children,,, something tells me there is a lot more going on than meets the eye,,, non-the-less I have laid out fairly strong evidence for you to peruse: Here is something else you may want to look at: Miracle Testimony - One Easter Sunday Sunrise Service - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj0L5dwuX0gbornagain77_{August 11, 2009
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Overburden: In #21 you asked: "What science suggests there is the possibility to survive the body?" Several people including myself have provided science that suggests - not conclusively proves, but suggests - that there is the possibility that consciousness can exist outside of the body - i.e., survive its demise. You ask in #27 what I believe is going on; I believe that the consciousness of some people survives death.William J. Murray_{August 11, 2009
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bornagain77 Thank you for your information. I'm only looking for new sources of information that don't involve personal accounts or are faith based. I assure you I have enough of both. Science blogs are great resources and that is why I am here, not to discredit anyone. I do feel I have the right to share my opinion - respectfully of course.Overburden_{August 11, 2009
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I have a friend, an anesthesiologist, well into his 60's - been at the table for decades - who has 'brought back' an unimaginable number of he 'dead'. It is very common for trauma victims, to 'die' during procedures. Their heart stops and remains so for several minutes, some for an hour and more. This is not that uncommon within a population of billions. Of these 'revived' millions, very few recollect witnessing any alternative dimension. This doesn't prove anything but seriously dilutes the pool of experiences, so much so that there is strong evidence that the experience is more about the unconscious than it is about 'other life' events.Overburden_{August 11, 2009
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Well, Overburden I've spent a little time investigating this very issue. I consider the evidence I presented very strong in fact. Yet you consider the testimony of others dubious. Thus I suggest you seek a personal encounter with Christ so that you may personally know. Revelation 3:20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.bornagain77_{August 11, 2009
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I'm not convinced there isn't an 'avenue' to another consciousness, or that there is, I only suggest that there must be better methods for researching this possibility than relying on testimony from various samplings of the culturally affected. I consider all such 'reporting' dubious at best. It may provide information for psychologists, but adds nothing to biological inquiry. The wish to live beyond this short term on planet earth can be a powerfully delusional concept for many fearing mortality, but not as much so for the intellectual and/or the religious. Faith shields one from what could possibly be an ugly, empty event. Information and knowledge also cushion the blow by fashioning reasonable acceptance.Overburden_{August 11, 2009
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kairosfocus, I heard that you invented FCSI/FSCI and I understand that the 'F' stands for 'functional'. So I was just wondering if this renders the information part of the original CSI concept, as invented by Dr Dembksi, as non-functional?MeganC_{August 11, 2009
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A Small Glimpse At The Preponderance Of Negative Near Death Experiences Being Found In Foreign, Non-Judeo-Christian, Cultures: Near-Death Experiences in Thailand: Excerpt: The Light seems to be absent in Thai NDEs. So is the profound positive affect found in so many Western NDEs. The most common affect in our collection is negative. Unlike the negative affect in so many Western NDEs (cf. Greyson & Bush, 1992), that found in Thai NDEs (in all but case #11) has two recognizable causes. The first is fear of `going'. The second is horror and fear of hell. It is worth noting that although half of our collection include seeing hell (cases 2,6,7,9,10) and being forced to witness horrific tortures, not one includes the NDEer having been subjected to these torments themselves. (Murphy 99) http://www.shaktitechnology.com/thaindes.htm Near-Death Experiences in Thailand: Discussion of case histories By Todd Murphy, 1999: Excerpt: We would suggest that the near-constant comparisons with the most frequently reported types of NDEs tends to blind researchers to the features of NDEs which are absent in these NDEs. Tunnels are rare, if not absent. The panoramic Life Review appears to be absent. Instead, our collection shows people reviewing just a few karmically-significant incidents. Perhaps they symbolize behavioral tendencies, the results of which are then experienced as determinative of their rebirths. These incidents are read out to them from a book. There is no Being of Light in these Thai NDEs, although The Buddha does appear in a symbolic form, in case #6. Yama is present during this truncated Life Review, as is the Being of Light during Western life reviews, but Yama is anything but a being of light. In popular Thai depictions, he is shown as a wrathful being, and is most often remembered in Thai culture for his power to condemn one to hell. Some of the functions of Angels and guides are also filled by Yamatoots. They guide, lead tours of hell, and are even seen to grant requests made by the experient. The Japanese find death a depressing experience - From an item by Peter Hadfield in the New Scientist (Nov. 30th 1991) Excerpt: A study in Japan shows that even in death the Japanese have an original way of looking at things. Instead of seeing 'tunnels of light' or having 'out of body' experiences, near-dead patients in Japanese hospitals tend to see rather less romantic images, according to researchers at Kyorin University. According to a report in the Mainichi newspaper, a group of doctors from Kyorin has spent the past year documenting the near-death experiences of 17 patients. They had all been resuscitated from comas caused by heart attacks, strokes, asthma or drug poisoning. All had shown minimal signs of life during the coma. Yoshia Hata, who led the team, said that eight of the 17 recalled 'dreams', many featuring rivers or ponds. Five of those patients had dreams which involved fear, pain and suffering. One 50-year-old asthmatic man said he had seen himself wade into a reservoir and do a handstand in the shallows. 'Then I walked out of the water and took some deep breaths. In the dream, I was repeating this over and over.' Another patient, a 73-year-old woman with cardiac arrest, saw a cloud filled with dead people. 'It was a dark, gloomy day. I was chanting sutras. I believed they could be saved if they chanted sutras, so that is what I was telling them to do.' Most of the group said they had never heard of Near-Death Experiences before. etc..etc..etc... From all concise studies I've, whether materialistic in orientation or not, It is by far more desirable to have a NDE in Judeo-Christian cultures which of course heavily suggests, some sort of basic belief in God/Christ. In The Presence Of Almighty God - The NDE of Mickey Robinson - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRpbNgBn8XY and of course let's not forget the testimony to life after death witnessed by the Shroud: Turin Shroud Hologram Reveals The Words "The Lamb" - short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XLcdaFKzYg Even with the advantage of all our advanced space-age technology at their fingertips, all scientists can guess is that it was some type of electro-magnetic radiation (light) which is not natural to this world. Kevin Moran, a scientist working on the mysterious "3-dimensional" nature of the Shroud image, states the 'supernatural' explanation this way: "It is not a continuum or spherical-front radiation that made the image, as visible or UV light. It is not the X-ray radiation that obeys the one over R squared law that we are so accustomed to in medicine. It is more unique. It is suggested that the image was formed when a high-energy particle struck the fiber and released radiation within the fiber at a speed greater that the local speed of light. Since the fiber acts as a light pipe, this energy moved out through the fiber until it encountered an optical discontinuity, then it slowed to the local speed of light and dispersed. The fact that the pixels don’t fluoresce suggests that the conversion to their now brittle dehydrated state occurred instantly and completely so no partial products remain to be activated by the ultraviolet light. This suggests a quantum event where a finite amount of energy transferred abruptly. The fact that there are images front and back suggests the radiating particles were released along the gravity vector. The radiation pressure may also help explain why the blood was "lifted cleanly" from the body as it transformed to a resurrected state."bornagain77_{August 11, 2009
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William - thank you for responding. I'm familiar with much of the 'evidence' provided by the 'near death experience' and have reviewed some, not all, of the research you suggested - all unsatisfactorily inconclusive. Now I'm not suggesting there is an answer, just curious, but what would you suggest takes place?Overburden_{August 11, 2009
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Overburden asks: What science suggests there is the possibility to survive the body? There are a few very intriguing evidences: The Day I Died - Part 4 of 6 - The NDE of Pam Reynolds - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA37uNa3VGU Blind Woman Can See During Near Death Experience - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0lNh7NVb0 Kenneth Ring and Sharon Cooper (1997) conducted a study of 31 blind people, many of who reported being able to see during their NDEs. 21 of these people had had an NDE while the remaining 10 had had an out-of-body experience (OBE), but no NDE. It was found that in the NDE sample, about half had been blind from birth. In all, 15 of the 21 NDEers and 9 of the 10 OBEers could see during their experience while the remaining participants either claimed that they did not see or were not sure whether or not they had seen. The Gallup poll in 1992 was of U.S. adults, and found 5% had a NDE: .05 = (number of those surveyed with a prior history of NDE)/(total number surveyed). That equates to 15 million of a population of 300 million A Reply to Shermer - Medical Evidence For NDEs - Pim van Lommel M.D. Excerpt: as soon as the function of brain has been lost, like in clinical death or in brain death, with iso-electricity on the EEG, memories and consciousness do still exist, but the reception ability is lost. People can experience their consciousness outside their body, with the possibility of perception out and above their body, with identity, and with heightened awareness, attention, well-structured thought processes, memories and emotions. And they also can experience their consciousness in a dimension where past, present and future exist at the same moment, without time and space, and can be experienced as soon as attention has been directed to it (life review and preview), and even sometimes they come in contact with the “fields of consciousness” of deceased relatives. And later they can experience their conscious return into their body. The Mind and Materialist Superstition - Six "conditions of mind" that are irreconcilable with materialism: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/11/the_mind_and_materialist_super.html Removing Half of Brain (Hemispherectomies) Improves Young Epileptics' Lives - article Excerpt: "We are awed by the apparent retention of the child’s memory after removal of half of the brain, either half; and by the retention of the child's personality and sense of humor." Dr. Eileen P. G. Vining of Johns Hopkins University http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/19/science/removing-half-of-brain-improves-young-epileptics-lives.htmlbornagain77_{August 11, 2009
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#24 was in response to #21.William J. Murray_{August 11, 2009
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Perhaps this study of NDE's published in The Lancet: http://www.zarqon.co.uk/Lancet.pdf Not to mention William Crookes research in the 1800's published in the Journal of Science, the published research done at the University of Arizona's Veritas project; the published research from the Windbridge Institute; the Scole Experiment, the Afterlife Experiemnts, and the research carried out at Princeton's PEAR labs?William J. Murray_{August 11, 2009
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Mr IRQ Conflict, Very cool! I'm folding on my home PC, quad core and two GPUs. Dell was selling it as a gaming platform. I think I'm getting about 8,000 PPD out of it.Nakashima_{August 11, 2009
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Stephen, audio book version PLEASE...Gods iPod_{August 11, 2009
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The body and mind are material, the activity within biochemical - nothing mechanical about any of it. The activity in the brain, by which we reason and wonder, is electrical, a massive synaptic exchange. Thinking, thought, ideation, virtually all conceptualization associated with the animal, are never 'contained' within. To suggest that this fugitive identity has some escape venue for surviving the collapse of its support system - the animated body - would suggest an event that would require the 'individual' to exist outside the physiology of its host. What science suggests there is the possibility to survive the body?Overburden_{August 11, 2009
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I'm so stealing that argument from you for future use KF. Well said!PaulN_{August 11, 2009
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It’s interesting that the argument that the mind is nothing more than the product of creation by unknown extra-natural forces is factually contradicted (as much as anything can be via science) by the ability to write a paragraph asserting that it is. The mind can only be material. It can't be immaterially based. How do I know? Because I know. Whee!Lenoxus_{August 11, 2009
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It's interesting that the argument that the mind is nothing more than an accumulation of chance/necessity sequences is factually contradicted (as much as anything can be via science) by the ability to write a paragraph asserting that it is.William J. Murray_{August 11, 2009
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WJM: Just 1,000 bits of information capacity has in it so many potential configurations that the whole observed universe, acting across its thermodynamically credible lifespan and changing state every 10^-43 s [the Planck time], would not be able to sample 1 in 10^150 of the possible configs. the simplest observed life forms, just off their DNA alone, store over 600 k bits of information. THAT is why those who want to suggest t hat the available time and resources of he universe are enough to make life's spontaneous origin likely, are not willing to allow you to think through the real probabilities implied by the specified complexity of life. It is also why they are so desperate to separate the issue of the origin of life from its claimed macro-evolution. But, for major body plans to originate -- and the survival of the "fittest" is dependent on the prior ARRIVAL of same -- we credibly are looking at increments in DNA of order 10's - 100's of Millions of bits. So, the real issue is not to sniff dismissively that hose who object are being "incredulous," butt hart those who propose the claims are ducking answering tot he search space challenge. Of course, intelligences routinely produce FSCI of that magnitude and more. GEM of TKIkairosfocus_{August 11, 2009
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If you haven't gotten Signature in the Cell yet, I advise that you do, whatever side of the debate you are on. If you are intellectually honest about the ID debate and are skeptical about ID, it will eliminate a lot of the need for constantly rebutting weak anti-ID arguments. I knew the argument for design was strong, but frankly, Meyer knocks it out of the ballpark. Not only is ID sound science - as he successfully proves from historical, empirical and philosophical perspectives - but it is also the only current theory that adequately (or even remotely) explains the information found in DNA. Nothing else (chance, necessity) even comes close.William J. Murray_{August 11, 2009
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It seems to me that materialists wish to have their theory - that all of this can be accomplished by chance and/or necessity - without ever having demonstrated that probability theory supports this view. They just invoke chance and deep time "as if" it can be scientifically expected to do anything. Apparently, most believers in Darwinian Evolution don't realize how intractable the problem is that chance and necessity must overcome to produce even a single functional protein of moderate length, much less the factory of interdependent, organized protein nano-technology we find at work in the cell.William J. Murray_{August 11, 2009
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DATCG. re: #4 Great Suggestion. A nonosecond-length video would be hard to comprehend. It would be interesting to see it repeated continually over say a few minutes to get an idea of the speed and volume of these interactions. It would be mesmerizing, I'm sure.CannuckianYankee_{August 11, 2009
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Well, I don't know about anyone else. But to think that i have billions of these cells doing mind-boggling assembly work to allow me to express me is just ______ ! But yes, I know, that is just an argument from incredulity. Deep time and infinite chances (both of which I can't observe) are the real designers. It is strange though that I am not able to observe deep time and chance. I wonder why they won't show themselves? Hello?! :POramus_{August 11, 2009
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Nakashima, Yes, familiar with it and other shared sites in astronomy, etc., for over a decade now. Long before the internet existed in the public domain, TI was ahead of the curve before most were in business or an apple in a garage. Shared processing was routine by TI engineers. They had their own network. Unfortunately did not sell as a product. It was lovely to watch programs running on other machines, spitting out data points and chip diagrams, etchings, etc. Oddly enough, another Texan didn't miss the boat. The idea of using idle computer systems started in Texas before the PC market was born. It wasn't as dynamic, but the idea was far ahead of its time and made billions for the man. A little guy named Ross Perot, who created EDS and rescued his employees from terrorist in Tehran. Sold EDS to GM for over 2 billion, then started a new company making multi-billions as Perot Systems competing against EDS now worldwide. I admire his tenacity, perseverance and discipline. He kept on GM so much about their inefficient business processes that the majority owners/directors became so irate, they bought his chair back for almost another billion. What a bunch of idiots. If they had listened to him, American tax payors would not be suffering now. And that is the rest of the story. You'll still have to explain to me the intuitive part of shared computer processing to model and reverse engineer an undesigned, unguided macro evolutionary system. This isn't rainy day algorithms.DATCG_{August 11, 2009
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I'm folding on two dual core and a quad core as well as a GPU. You can still fold using the CPU it is just not a effective. Best to decrease the size of your work units in those cases to make sure you don't blow the deadline in time sensitive WU's.IRQ Conflict_{August 11, 2009
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