New genealogical network dates humanity back 100,000 years

Silver Asiatic, A rather unpleasant group that cannot be blamed on Europeans. In face, Europeans were not even close to having the first slaves in historical record. That would be the Middle East, in Asia. Seems to me, one could argue the Europeans learned negative things from other Africa and Asia. It would not be factual, since man's inhumanity to man is a constant, but far easier to make the case than Europeans bringing violence to places that were already violent. BobRyan

BobRyan

The Carib’s predated Europeans in the Americas. they were violent cannibals who killed off numerous tribes during their brutal expansion.

True, and they even killed off (and ate) European Christians who were bringing the values and culture of the Gospels from which we still benefit today. Silver Asiatic

Zweston

By what standard is it wrong to displace another people group? Says who?

Good point. Evolution has a problem with one group violently displacing another? Silver Asiatic

Seversky, at 1, appeals to the objective morality of the golden rule, (i.e. love your neighbor as yourself), to try to bash Christianity. Yet, this is a self-refuting position for Seversky, an atheist, to be in.

"In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.” - Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life Atheism’s Odd Relationship with Morality By Rabbi Adam Jacobs - 2011 Excerpt: As Dr. Will Provine has said, “[as an atheist] you give up hope that there is an imminent morality ... you can’t hope for there being any free will [and there is] ... no ultimate foundation for ethics.” https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-adam-jacobs/atheisms-odd-relationship_b_839352.html

i.e. Seversky is appealing to morality yet his worldview denies the existence of morality. Morality can only be based in Theism. The moral argument for God is summed up at the 4:36 minute mark of the video and can be stated as such:

Premise 1: If God does not exist, then objective moral values and duties do not exist. Premise 2: Objective moral values and duties do exist. Conclusion: Therefore, God exists. The Moral Argument – drcraigvideos - video https://youtu.be/OxiAikEk2vU?t=276

In short, Seversky is forced to presuppose the existence of a 'moral universe', i.e. of the reality of God, just to have the ability to try to argue against the reality of God in the first place. As Cornelius Van Til put the self-refuting position that the atheist finds himself in, "As a child needs to sit on the lap of its father in order to slap the father’s face, so the unbeliever, as a creature, needs God the Creator and providential controller of the universe in order to oppose this God."

“In other words, the non-Christian needs the truth of the Christian religion in order to attack it. As a child needs to sit on the lap of its father in order to slap the father’s face, so the unbeliever, as a creature, needs God the Creator and providential controller of the universe in order to oppose this God. Without this God, the place on which he stands does not exist. He cannot stand in a vacuum.” - Cornelius Van Til, Essays on Christian Education (The Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company: Phillipsburg, NJ, 1979).

it is simply impossible for Atheists to live their lives consistently as if atheistic materialism were actually true and as if there were no objective morality. As the following article states: Nobody thinks his daughter is just molecules in motion and nothing but; nobody thinks the Holocaust was evil, but only in a relative, provisional sense. A materialist who lived his life according to his professed convictions—understanding himself to have no moral agency at all, seeing his friends and enemies and family as genetically determined robots—wouldn’t just be a materialist: He’d be a psychopath.

The Heretic - Who is Thomas Nagel and why are so many of his fellow academics condemning him? - March 25, 2013 Excerpt:,,,Fortunately, materialism is never translated into life as it’s lived. As colleagues and friends, husbands and mothers, wives and fathers, sons and daughters, materialists never put their money where their mouth is. Nobody thinks his daughter is just molecules in motion and nothing but; nobody thinks the Holocaust was evil, but only in a relative, provisional sense. A materialist who lived his life according to his professed convictions—understanding himself to have no moral agency at all, seeing his friends and enemies and family as genetically determined robots—wouldn’t just be a materialist: He’d be a psychopath. http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/heretic_707692.html?page=3

Richard Dawkins himself honestly admitted that it would be quote unquote 'intolerable' for him to live his life as if atheistic materialism were actually true and that there actually was no moral accountability for our actions.

Who wrote Richard Dawkins’s new book? – October 28, 2006 Excerpt: Dawkins: What I do know is that what it feels like to me, and I think to all of us, we don't feel determined. We feel like blaming people for what they do or giving people the credit for what they do. We feel like admiring people for what they do.,,, Manzari: But do you personally see that as an inconsistency in your views? Dawkins: I sort of do. Yes. But it is an inconsistency that we sort of have to live with otherwise life would be intolerable. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/10/who_wrote_richard_dawkinss_new002783.html

The impossibility for Atheists to live their lives consistently as if atheism were actually true directly undermines their claim that Atheism can possibly be true. Specifically, as the following article points out, since it is impossible for atheists to live their lives consistently as if their worldview were actually true, then atheistic materialism cannot possibly reflect reality as it really is but atheistic materialism must instead be based on a delusion.

Existential Argument against Atheism - November 1, 2013 by Jason Petersen 1. If a worldview is true then you should be able to live consistently with that worldview. 2. Atheists are unable to live consistently with their worldview. 3. If you can’t live consistently with an atheist worldview then the worldview does not reflect reality. 4. If a worldview does not reflect reality then that worldview is a delusion. 5. If atheism is a delusion then atheism cannot be true. Conclusion: Atheism is false. http://answersforhope.com/existential-argument-atheism/

Verses:

2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; Psalm 119:92 If your law had not been my delight, I would have perished in my affliction.

bornagain77

Zweston, you bring up an interesting point. Since everyone originated from the same general place, there were no original inhabitants anywhere else. How can someone be displaced if they did not, ancestrally, come from said location? As for Europeans displacing or killing off various tribes, how many were displaced or killed off before Europeans ever left Europe, once they settled from movement out of Africa? The Aztecs were not local to that region when the Spanish found them. They had only been there for a couple hundred years. Evidence suggests they were forced out of land further north and they took the city they resided in, which leads to a couple of important question. Who did they replace and who really built the city and calendar? With no wheels being used by the Aztecs, it stands to reason whoever was there before them had built everything they used. BobRyan

Thanks Bob Ryan for answering Sev's nonsensical question. He acts like there was a such thing as loving innocent civilizations before that that were formed by peaceful acts... And if I'm sev, I have to ask myself: By what standard is it wrong to displace another people group? Says who? zweston

@ Seversky You are one bitter individual. KRock

Polistra @ 2: Yes indeed. I've often wondered why "science" had to assume that humans crossed over the Bering strait via a land bridge, during an ice age. Given the seasons, why couldn't they just walk across (or using dog sleds) on the the ice when the Bering strait was frozen? Or, as you say, take their boats during the short arctic summer? Fasteddious

Narrowing down the birthplace of man is a good thing. It was already known every person is descended from Africa, but the birthplace has always been a bit of a question mark. Some future evidence may move it somewhere else, but nice to know. BobRyan

Seversky, since you went off topic, so will I. The Carib's predated Europeans in the Americas. they were violent cannibals who killed off numerous tribes during their brutal expansion. The Vikings were the first Europeans to make it and spent 10 years trying to build a settlement. As brutal fighters, the should not have had any problem subduing, or outright killing off, the local tribe. They were not peaceful, but ruthless warrior who attacked and killed many Vikings, forcing them to abandon the settlement. BobRyan

At some point the anthropologists will have to recognize that early humans had boats. If monkeys can raft across the Atlantic, why couldn't humans raft across the much shorter paths in the Arctic area? polistra

So this research suggests that the original inhabitants of the Americas may have lived there for around 100 000 years before they were so rudely dispossessed of those lands by Christian, European colonists. Nonetheless, they should still be grateful to a benevolent Christianity that shunted the indigenous survivors of near-genocide practiced against them into desolate reservations and forced their children into mostly Christian-run boarding schools to undergo a Borg-like program of cultural assimilation. Seversky