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Human prehistory has descended into a state of chaos which can only be described as farcical. New research, summarized in an October 2012 review by Aylwyn Scally and Richard Durbin (“Revising the human mutation rate: implications for the understanding human evolution” in Nature Reviews Genetics 13:745-753, doi:10.1038/nrg3295) suggests that the molecular clock used to date events in hominid prehistory may run more slowly than previously thought, and at variable speeds, throwing the timetable of evolutionary events into confusion.

The new research has staggering implications for the date of the split between the lineage leading to orangutans in Asia and the line leading to humans, chimps and gorillas in Africa: it’s been revised from 13-14 million years ago to anywhere from 34 to 46 million years ago – an impossible result that has researchers scratching their heads.

A report by Ann Gibbons (“Turning back the clock: slowing the pace of prehistory.” Science 338:189-191) exposes the massive uncertainty than now reigns in the field of physical anthropology:

“The mutation rates are so up in air,” said paleogeneticist Svante Paabo of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, in August, when his team published big margins of error — from 170,000 to 700,000 years ago — for the date when our ancestors split from Neandertals and their close cousins, the Denisovans. As a result, the timing of some events in human origins is now “very murky,” says paleoanthropologist Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum in London. The ambiguity in the mutation rate affects a host of evolutionary and disease-related analyses, says paleoanthropologist John Hawks of the University of Wisconsin, Madison: “We can’t figure out how things happened if we don’t know when they happened.”

Before we go any further, let’s review the science underlying the molecular clock, which is used by paleoanthropologists to date events in our past. Matthew Cobb provides a handy summary in his post, Putting our DNA clock back, over at Why Evolution Is True:

The basic assumption behind the molecular clock is that mutations – changes in DNA – occur at a constant rate over time, and that the number of differences between two groups can therefore be turned into a figure based on the time since the two diverged. This phenomenon was first noticed in 1962 by Linus Pauling and Emile Zuckerkandl looking at differences in haemoglobin genes, then explicitly turned into a hypothesis the following year by Margoliash, before being fully developed in the 1970s by Allan Wilson. (It is in fact a bit more complicated, as the average generation time of a species has to be taken into account – the shorter the generation time, the higher the mutation rate.)

There are some important provisos to the clock – any stretch of DNA that is subject to selection, for example, is not going to be a very useful source of clock data, as genetic differences will tend to be removed by selection; many genes that are vital to organismal function are therefore highly conserved, showing few differences between groups. For this reason, scientists tend to use either ‘synonymous changes’ in DNA – these are ‘silent’ differences that do not cause any change in gene function (protein structure, gene regulation, or whatever) – or to use stretches of non-coding DNA, which appear to be not subject to natural selection and to evolve ‘neutrally’, just accumulating mutations with time.

As Ann Gibbons points out, the science behind molecular clock dating was relied on highly questionable assumptions, until very recently:

For the past 15 years, researchers have estimated the speed of the molecular clock by counting the mutational differences between humans and primates in matching segments of DNA, then using different species’ first appearances in the fossil record to estimate how long it took those mutations to accumulate. For example, the fossils of the oldest known orangutan ancestor are about 13 million years old, so DNA differences between humans and orangutans had about that long to accumulate. By doing similar calculations in many segments of DNA in various primates, researchers calculated an average rate of about one mutation per billion base pairs per year for humans and other apes…

But this method of calculating the mutation rate has drawbacks. For starters, it assumes that the fossil dates accurately record the first appearance of a species, but that can change with a new find. Second, there are no fossils of our closest living relatives: chimps and gorillas. Third, the method assumes that species split at the same time as their genes diverged, but in fact, genetic separation can be millions of years earlier than species divergence. Finally, the method assumes that mutation rates are similar across apes, although factors such as generation time—the average number of years between generations — affect the rate.

Now all that has changed:

With the recent advent of high-throughput sequencing methods, geneticists finally have been able to sequence enough whole genomes to calculate directly the number of mutations between trios of two parents and their child in large numbers of families. Eight studies in the past 3 years (and the 2003 study) have estimated a slower mutation rate, according to a review published online on 11 September in Nature Reviews Genetics by geneticists Aylwyn Scally and Richard Durbin of the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute in Hinxton, U.K…

Remarkably, all the studies got about the same rate: 1.2 × 10^-8 mutations per generation at any given nucleotide site. That’s about 1 in 2.4 billion mutations per site per year (assuming an average generation time of 29 years) — and that’s less than half of the old, fossil-calibrated rate.

The new research has created an upheaval in the field of human evolution. The following table (adapted from Gibbons’ report) summarizes the old and the new molecular clock dates for some key events in human prehistory. As the reader can see, both the old and the new molecular clock are at odds with the fossil evidence on vital points.

Human-orangutan split
Fossil evidence
9 million–13 million years ago (Sivapithecus)
Old mutation rate
13 million–14 million years ago
New mutation rate
34 million–46 million years ago (Mismatch between fossils and molecular date)

Human-chimp split
Fossil evidence
4.1 million–7 million years ago (Sahelanthropus, Orrorin, Ardipithecus, and Australopithecus)
Old mutation rate
4 million–7 million years ago
New mutation rate
8 million–10 million years ago (Mismatch between fossils and molecular date)

Homo sapiens-Neandertal split
Fossil evidence
350,000–600,000 years ago (Homo heidelbergensis), 200,000 years ago (Neandertals)
Old mutation rate
250,000–350,000 years ago (Mismatch between fossils and molecular date)
New mutation rate
400,000–600,000 years ago

Out-of-Africa migration
Fossil evidence
125,000–80,000 years ago (archaic Homo sapiens)
Old mutation rate
Less than 70,000 years ago (Mismatch between fossils and molecular date)
New mutation rate
90,000–130,000 years ago

While the new molecular clock seems to give more accurate dates than the old clock for the more recent events in human prehistory, such as the split between Homo sapiens and Neandertal man and the migration of our ancestors out of Africa, it goes wildly astray for earlier events in our past. For instance, it places the human-orangutan split at 34-46 million years ago – which is a lot earlier than the date when apes diverged from monkeys, and about the same time as when Old World and New World monkeys diverged. Paleoanthropologists are not pleased. “A human-orangutan split at 40 million years is absolutely crazy,” says David Begun of the University of Toronto.

So how are scientists explaining the awkward dates implied by the new molecular clock? Scally and Durbin, in their report in Nature Reviews Genetics, suggest that the mutation rate was faster early on in primate evolution. Than, they say, it slowed in the African apes. After that, it may have slowed down even more in human evolution. Commenting on Scally and Durbin’s proposal, Harvard University population geneticist David Reich agrees that some slowdown did occur in the great apes. Nevertheless, in a supplement to a recent paper he and his research team published (Nature Genetics, 44, 1161-1165 (2012), doi:10.1038/ng.2398), he argues that the scenario proposed by Scally and Durbin is extremely unlikely:

However, this scenario also requires us to hypothesize a combination of unlikely events: (a) the slowdown would need to have been coincidental in both lineages to explain the observations, and (b) the slowdown would also have to have been extraordinarily dramatic: about 3-fold in both lineages in the period ancestral to human-chimpanzee divergence to produce as extreme an effect as is observed. (page 66) (Emphases mine – VJT.)

Reich himself believes that the new molecular clock methods aren’t picking up all the mutations, which is why he believes they’re getting an artificially slow mutation rate. Reich, Stefansson, graduate student James Sun of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and several other researchers have recently co-authored a study of their own (Nature Genetics, 44, 1161-1165 (2012), doi:10.1038/ng.2398) which used a different method, based on micro-satellite DNA, or small pieces of DNA which vary in the number of times they repeat, and which have a higher mutation rate than DNA nucleotides, making it easier to pick up all their new mutations. After converting the microsatellite mutation rates back to a base pair mutation rate, Reich and his team came up with a figure of 1 in 1.2 billion to 1 in 2.0 billion per year, compared with the figure of 1 in 2.4 billion mutations per site per year yielded by the new molecular clock studies. The rates proposed by Reich’s team would put the split between humans and chimpanzees at about 3.7 million to 6.6 million years ago, compared with a date of to 8 to 10 million years ago indicated by the new molecular clock. If Reich and his team are correct, the human-orangutan split would have occurred between 9.8 and 17.5 million years ago, or 2.65 times earlier than the human-chimp split. But Reich’s proposal faces problems of its own: it would imply that Sahelanthropus, and possibly also Orrorin and Ardipithecus, are not on the line leading to human beings, as anthropologists currently believe.

As Gibbons wryly observes in her article: “So no matter how researchers calculate the mutation rate directly, they can’t accommodate all the fossil dates.”

I was therefore puzzled when Matthew Cobb ended his post on the new molecular clock over at Why Evolution Is True, on an upbeat note:

A lot of unknowns remain – in particular the issue of estimating generation time in prehistoric populations, as well as the lack of population-level data for prehistoric groups (e.g. Neanderthals or Denisovans). But the increasing richness of molecular data are producing ever more refined estimates of our past. And that is the power of science – nothing is taken as fixed, knowledge changes and increases, in a uniquely progressive way, enabling us to revise and refine our understanding, and even to reject what we previously thought to be true. Indeed, there is grandeur in this view of life.

All I can say is: if this is what Cobb calls good news, what would he consider bad news? I’d invite him to consider again the four-fold uncertainty in the date of the split between Homo sapiens and Neandertal man: anywhere from 170,000 to 700,000 years ago. Or let him consider the near six-fold uncertainty in the date of the human-orangutan split: anywhere from 8 to 46 million years ago. Is this what Cobb calls progress?

And while I’m writing on the subject of orangutans, I’d also like to ask my readers to ponder the following question: why is it that humans share at least 28 unique physical characteristics with orangutans, but only two with chimps and seven with gorillas, despite the fact that we’re genetically closer to chimps and gorillas?

I’d like to close with a quote from Chesterton:

“Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.” (Autobiography. Collected Works Vol. 16, p. 212)

Comments
This is a really interesting study! In the 1980s, I remember it was a major coup for genetic-based phylogenies when fossil evidence discounted Ramapithecus from being a hominid ancestor. (The problem, remember, was that Ramapithecus was about 10 million years old, and the genetic data indicated that hominids split off from other apes around 5 million years ago.) So when Ramapithecus was folded into Sivapithecus, the genetic phylogenies were seemingly vindicated. But it rests on this assumption that we've got a stable "molecular clock," ticking away at a steady and easily-calculable rate, and I've worried about that assumption for a while. And unfortunately we can't sample DNA from extinct species.Kantian Naturalist
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Mutation rates have been shown to increase plenty of times. In Dr. Lenski's e coli experiment, 4 of the 12 strains had mutations that broke their DNA repair mechanisms which caused them to mutate faster. But have we ever observed a mutation that improved DNA repair?JoeCoder
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From a February article in Evolution News, today: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/02/nobel_prize-win056771.html Plus ca change...Axel
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Joe (16):
Why not sooner? Your story tells me that this isn’t any prediction of common ancestry.
I don't know why they didn't move earlier. No one does. It is consistent with common descent, i.e. genetic lines that have a common root will coexist geographically for some time. Look at your own family history. It's not hard.
As you said orangutans moved and they are tree dwellers and perhaps good swimmers at one time.
Who can say? We weren't there. If I asked you how and when your great-great-grandparents conceived your ancestor you'd have to make educated guesses. What else can you do? Look for evidence, clearly. Make intelligent guesses, of course. Know for sure .. . . uh huh. Keep dreaming.Jerad
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I wonder if there is a likely upper limit and likely lower limit at which they would consider such mutation rates might occur? I think we should be told.Axel
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So they couldn’t move? No geological isolation, which occurs when they move? What drove the speciation events if they were all subject to the same fitness landscape function algorithm?
And they did move later.
Why not sooner? Your story tells me that this isn't any prediction of common ancestry. As you said orangutans moved and they are tree dwellers and perhaps good swimmers at one time. :roll:Joe
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From the OP: So how are scientists explaining the awkward dates implied by the new molecular clock? Scally and Durbin, in their report in Nature Reviews Genetics, suggest that the mutation rate was faster early on in primate evolution. Than, they say, it slowed in the African apes. After that, it may have slowed down even more in human evolution. Commenting on Scally and Durbin’s proposal, Harvard University population geneticist David Reich agrees that some slowdown did occur in the great apes. /i> Let me translate this for you: they don't have a clue as to what actually happened. Nor, likely, will they ever. Why? Because they're wedded to neo-Darwinism, which can't explain any of this (as vjtorley notes), and so they must twist facts and data until it has some chance (in their minds) of making sense.PaV
October 17, 2012
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Joe (13):
So they couldn’t move? No geological isolation, which occurs when they move? What drove the speciation events if they were all subject to the same fitness landscape function algorithm?
And they did move later. Orangutangs, which split off from the common line earlier moved. And the later hominids emigrated out of Africa. What drove the speciation? No way to know for sure without having been there. I live in England and until the last century many people never moved more than a few miles from the place they were born. The point being that geographic isolation can be quite short distances especially for less intelligent creatures. Not birds so much though. Some anthropologists hypothesise that humans evolved from the 'tribes' that spent more time on the plains than in the trees. Perhaps it was the uprights vs the 'knuckle draggers' as you put it. No way to know for sure. But, pretty clearly, both lines came from the same general area and developed in close proximity until some early humans found greener pastures. Some humans stayed. The apes got stuck and are now endangered partially 'cause they're 'trapped' in their environmental niches. Too bad they can't evolve on command eh? Within our lifetime some apes may not exist in the wild anymore. Makes me wish there was a designer who could intervene.
Or perhaps you want to rethink that…
Nah, I'm good.Jerad
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Since the common ancestor and the early parts of the descent lines are found in the same area of the same continent as you would expect if they were related.
So they couldn't move? No geological isolation, which occurs when they move? What drove the speciation events if they were all subject to the same fitness landscape function algorithm? Or perhaps you want to rethink that...Joe
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Joe (11):
Why? In what way is that a “prediction” of common ancestry?
Since the common ancestor and the early parts of the descent lines are found in the same area of the same continent as you would expect if they were related. If apes and humans did not share a common ancestry then the early forms of each could be found far removed from each other.
Also I was at the Smithsonian in Washington DC and I am sure they had such fossils there. Last I checked DC was outside of Africa. (sorry I couldn’t resist)
:-) Some of what you saw might have been copies actually. Apparently lots of what's on display are not originals. Kind of disappointing but I guess they can't lets us rabble get close to the real stuff.Jerad
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Common ancestry predicts that you will not find any Australopithicus, Ardipithecus, or Kenyanthropus fossils outside of Africa.
Why? In what way is that a "prediction" of common ancestry? Also I was at the Smithsonian in Washington DC and I am sure they had such fossils there. Last I checked DC was outside of Africa. :) (sorry I couldn't resist)Joe
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Here is how neo-Darwinian evolution avoids falsification from the fossil record; "What Would Disprove Evolution?" - July 10, 2012 Excerpt: Fossils are found in the "wrong place" all the time (either too early, or too late). Paleontological theory, however, allows for such devices as "ghost lineages" to repair the damage; see ENV's coverage here and here. (links on the site) Again, discordance between molecular and anatomical phylogenies is commonplace in systematics; see here.(link on the site) But we expect Coyne is able to handle these anomalies via his shock-absorbing adjective "complete," which allows an indefinitely large range of possibilities, short of "complete" discordance (whatever that means). http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/07/what_would_disp061891.html Seeing Ghosts in the Bushes (Part 2): How Is Common Descent Tested? – Paul Nelson – Feb. 2010 Excerpt: Fig. 6. Multiple possible ad hoc or auxiliary hypotheses are available to explain lack of congruence between the fossil record and cladistic predictions. These may be employed singly or in combination. Common descent (CD) is thus protected from observational challenge. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/02/seeing_ghosts_in_the_bushes_pa031061.html The Fossil Record and Falsifiable Predictions For ID – Casey Luskin – Audio http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-03-26T14_56_42-07_00 You Won’t Believe How Evolutionists Say These Two Major Contradictions Cancel Each Other Out - March 2012 Excerpt: Evolutionists say without evolution nothing makes sense in biology, but it seems that with evolution nothing makes sense in biology. http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2012/03/you-wont-believe-how-evolutionists-say.html Here is how evolutionists avoid falsification from the biogeographical data of finding numerous and highly similar species in widely separated locations: More Biogeographical Conundrums for Neo-Darwinism – March 2010 http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/03/sea_monkeys_are_the_tip_of_the032471.html The Case of the Mysterious Hoatzin: Biogeography Fails Neo-Darwinism Again – Casey Luskin – November 5, 2011 Excerpt: If two similar species separated by thousands of kilometers across oceans cannot challenge common descent, what biogeographical data can? The way evolutionists treat it, there is virtually no biogeographical data that can challenge common descent even in principle. If that’s the case, then how can biogeography be said to support common descent in the first place? http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/11/the_case_of_the_mysterious_hoa052571.html Here is another way neo-Darwinists avoid falsification from the evidence: Convergence Convenience - October 8, 2012 Excerpt: Evolutionary theory has a classification scheme that cannot lose. Darwin’s original tree diagram described “divergent evolution,” a process beginning with speciation followed by the accumulation of variations that make the two branches more and more dissimilar over time. Animals with similar structures on the same branch are said to have “homologous” traits, because they derive from the same common ancestor. But the living world is filled with traits that resemble each other on different branches. What caused that? Ah, the evolutionist replies: those traits are due to “convergent evolution.” The similarities are “analogous” traits, because they do not derive from the same common ancestor. With this classification scheme, evolution explains everything: if similar animals are related, they evolved; if they are unrelated, they evolved. Is this a description of reality, or rather a convenient strategy for rendering evolution immune from falsification? Here are some recent examples of “convergent evolution” from the literature. (7 examples of 'just so' stories are cited),,, ,,,The Wikipedia entry on “Convergent Evolution” shows that the concept has undergone a bit of taxonomic diversification itself: there’s functional convergence, homoplasy, synapomorphy, parallel evolution, re-evolution and evolutionary relay. Convergence might be detected at the morphological level or at the molecular level. As for causes of convergent evolution, the article claims that animals with similar niches are likely to evolve similar equipment. And yet that can hardly be a “law of nature,” because many organisms occupy similar niches without “convergent” traits. Thus, they are divergent except when they are convergent – an explanation that explains opposite concepts. (and is thus impossible to falsify, i.e. heads I win, tails you lose!)) related notes: "these australopith specimens (Lucy) can be accommodated with the range of intraspecific variation of African apes" Nature 443 (9/2006), p.296 "The australopithecines (Lucy) known over the last several decades from Olduvai and Sterkfontein, Kromdraai and Makapansgat, are now irrevocably removed from a place in a group any closer to humans than to African apes and certainly from any place in a direct human lineage." Charles Oxnard, former professor of anatomy at the University of Southern California Medical School, who subjected australopithecine fossils to extensive computer analysis; Israeli Researchers: 'Lucy' is not direct ancestor of humans"; Apr 16, 2007 The Mandibular ramus morphology (lower jaw bone) on a recently discovered specimen of Australopithecus afarensis closely matches that of gorillas. This finding was unexpected given that chimpanzees are the closest living relatives of humans.,,,its absence in modern humans cast doubt on the role of Au. afarensis as a modern human ancestor. http://www.arn.org/blogs/index.php/literature/2007/04/24/lucy_demoted_from_the_human_ancestral_li "The australopithecine (Lucy) skull is in fact so overwhelmingly simian (ape-like) as opposed to human that the contrary proposition could be equated to an assertion that black is white." Lord Solly Zuckerman - Chief scientific advisor to British government and leading zoologist Ardi: The Human Ancestor Who Wasn't? - May 2010 Excerpt: "[White] showed no evidence that Ardi is on the human lineage," Sarmiento says. "Those characters that he posited as relating exclusively to humans also exist in apes and ape fossils that we consider not to be in the human lineage." http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1992115,00.html Later Hominins: The Australopithecine Gap - Casey Luskin - August 2012 Excerpt: Paleoanthropologist Leslie Aiello, who served as head of the anthropology department at University College London, states that when it comes to locomotion, "australopithecines are like apes, and the Homo group are like humans. Something major occurred when Homo evolved, and it wasn't just in the brain." The "something major" that occurred was the abrupt appearance of the human body plan -- without direct evolutionary precursors in the fossil record. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/08/later_hominins_062891.html “Something extraordinary, if totally fortuitous, happened with the birth of our species….Homo sapiens is as distinctive an entity as exists on the face of the Earth, and should be dignified as such instead of being adulterated with every reasonably large-brained hominid fossil that happened to come along.” Anthropologist Ian Tattersall (curator at the American Museum of Natural History)bornagain77
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Here is how neo-Darwinian evolution avoids falsification from the fossil record; "What Would Disprove Evolution?" - July 10, 2012 Excerpt: Fossils are found in the "wrong place" all the time (either too early, or too late). Paleontological theory, however, allows for such devices as "ghost lineages" to repair the damage; see ENV's coverage here and here. (links on the site) Again, discordance between molecular and anatomical phylogenies is commonplace in systematics; see here.(link on the site) But we expect Coyne is able to handle these anomalies via his shock-absorbing adjective "complete," which allows an indefinitely large range of possibilities, short of "complete" discordance (whatever that means). http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/07/what_would_disp061891.html Seeing Ghosts in the Bushes (Part 2): How Is Common Descent Tested? – Paul Nelson – Feb. 2010 Excerpt: Fig. 6. Multiple possible ad hoc or auxiliary hypotheses are available to explain lack of congruence between the fossil record and cladistic predictions. These may be employed singly or in combination. Common descent (CD) is thus protected from observational challenge. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/02/seeing_ghosts_in_the_bushes_pa031061.html The Fossil Record and Falsifiable Predictions For ID – Casey Luskin – Audio http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-03-26T14_56_42-07_00 You Won’t Believe How Evolutionists Say These Two Major Contradictions Cancel Each Other Out - March 2012 Excerpt: Evolutionists say without evolution nothing makes sense in biology, but it seems that with evolution nothing makes sense in biology. http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2012/03/you-wont-believe-how-evolutionists-say.html Here is how evolutionists avoid falsification from the biogeographical data of finding numerous and highly similar species in widely separated locations: More Biogeographical Conundrums for Neo-Darwinism – March 2010 http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/03/sea_monkeys_are_the_tip_of_the032471.html The Case of the Mysterious Hoatzin: Biogeography Fails Neo-Darwinism Again – Casey Luskin – November 5, 2011 Excerpt: If two similar species separated by thousands of kilometers across oceans cannot challenge common descent, what biogeographical data can? The way evolutionists treat it, there is virtually no biogeographical data that can challenge common descent even in principle. If that’s the case, then how can biogeography be said to support common descent in the first place? http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/11/the_case_of_the_mysterious_hoa052571.html Here is another way neo-Darwinists avoid falsification from the evidence: Convergence Convenience - October 8, 2012 Excerpt: Evolutionary theory has a classification scheme that cannot lose. Darwin’s original tree diagram described “divergent evolution,” a process beginning with speciation followed by the accumulation of variations that make the two branches more and more dissimilar over time. Animals with similar structures on the same branch are said to have “homologous” traits, because they derive from the same common ancestor. But the living world is filled with traits that resemble each other on different branches. What caused that? Ah, the evolutionist replies: those traits are due to “convergent evolution.” The similarities are “analogous” traits, because they do not derive from the same common ancestor. With this classification scheme, evolution explains everything: if similar animals are related, they evolved; if they are unrelated, they evolved. Is this a description of reality, or rather a convenient strategy for rendering evolution immune from falsification? Here are some recent examples of “convergent evolution” from the literature. (7 examples of 'just so' stories are cited),,, ,,,The Wikipedia entry on “Convergent Evolution” shows that the concept has undergone a bit of taxonomic diversification itself: there’s functional convergence, homoplasy, synapomorphy, parallel evolution, re-evolution and evolutionary relay. Convergence might be detected at the morphological level or at the molecular level. As for causes of convergent evolution, the article claims that animals with similar niches are likely to evolve similar equipment. And yet that can hardly be a “law of nature,” because many organisms occupy similar niches without “convergent” traits. Thus, they are divergent except when they are convergent – an explanation that explains opposite concepts. (and is thus impossible to falsify, i.e. heads I win, tails you lose!)) http://crev.info/2012/10/convergence-convenience/ related notes: "these australopith specimens (Lucy) can be accommodated with the range of intraspecific variation of African apes" Nature 443 (9/2006), p.296 "The australopithecines (Lucy) known over the last several decades from Olduvai and Sterkfontein, Kromdraai and Makapansgat, are now irrevocably removed from a place in a group any closer to humans than to African apes and certainly from any place in a direct human lineage." Charles Oxnard, former professor of anatomy at the University of Southern California Medical School, who subjected australopithecine fossils to extensive computer analysis; http://creationwiki.org/Australopithecines Israeli Researchers: 'Lucy' is not direct ancestor of humans"; Apr 16, 2007 The Mandibular ramus morphology (lower jaw bone) on a recently discovered specimen of Australopithecus afarensis closely matches that of gorillas. This finding was unexpected given that chimpanzees are the closest living relatives of humans.,,,its absence in modern humans cast doubt on the role of Au. afarensis as a modern human ancestor. http://www.arn.org/blogs/index.php/literature/2007/04/24/lucy_demoted_from_the_human_ancestral_li "The australopithecine (Lucy) skull is in fact so overwhelmingly simian (ape-like) as opposed to human that the contrary proposition could be equated to an assertion that black is white." Lord Solly Zuckerman - Chief scientific advisor to British government and leading zoologist Ardi: The Human Ancestor Who Wasn't? - May 2010 Excerpt: "[White] showed no evidence that Ardi is on the human lineage," Sarmiento says. "Those characters that he posited as relating exclusively to humans also exist in apes and ape fossils that we consider not to be in the human lineage." http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1992115,00.html Later Hominins: The Australopithecine Gap - Casey Luskin - August 2012 Excerpt: Paleoanthropologist Leslie Aiello, who served as head of the anthropology department at University College London, states that when it comes to locomotion, "australopithecines are like apes, and the Homo group are like humans. Something major occurred when Homo evolved, and it wasn't just in the brain." The "something major" that occurred was the abrupt appearance of the human body plan -- without direct evolutionary precursors in the fossil record. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/08/later_hominins_062891.html “Something extraordinary, if totally fortuitous, happened with the birth of our species….Homo sapiens is as distinctive an entity as exists on the face of the Earth, and should be dignified as such instead of being adulterated with every reasonably large-brained hominid fossil that happened to come along.” Anthropologist Ian Tattersall (curator at the American Museum of Natural History)bornagain77
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Joe (8):
However I do not categorically deny the possibility of human/ ape commn ancestry, it’s just that without first assuming it to be true, it is an untestable claim. But that may change someday and if I am alive when that happens, I will definitely listen.
Common ancestry predicts that you will not find any Australopithicus, Ardipithecus, or Kenyanthropus fossils outside of Africa. We have not found any outside of Africa. If not proof is that not a strong argument for common ancestry? And does that not make common descent falsifiable?Jerad
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timothya, I do contest the claim that humans and apes are related via common ancestry and say the evidence, the same evidence used for common ancestry, points to a common design. However I do not categorically deny the possibility of human/ ape commn ancestry, it's just that without first assuming it to be true, it is an untestable claim. But that may change someday and if I am alive when that happens, I will definitely listen.Joe
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Hi timothya, Thank you for your post. I don't contest the evidence for the common ancestry of humans and apes, or of apes in general. What I DO contest is the notion that neo-Darwinian evolution is adequate to explain the suite of changes in the human line, in the last few million years. The current consensus as to precisely how and to what degree humans and great apes are related, is shown in the following diagram: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Hominidae.PNG There is however a minority view (championed by John Grehan and Jeffrey Schwartz) that orangutans are the closest relatives of human beings. See the following articles: Evolution of the second orangutan: phylogeny and biogeography of hominid origins by John Grehan and Jeffrey Schwartz, Journal of Biogeography (2009) 36, 1823–1844. Orangutans May Be Closest Human Relatives, Not Chimps . Commentary on Grehan and Schwartz's paper. Humans More Related To Orangutans Than Chimps, Study Suggests . Report on a 2009 study by Grehan and Schwartz.) The ?rst humans, the second orangutan and the third chimpanzee . (Critical review of Grehan and Schwartz's 2009 book.) Hope that helps.vjtorley
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timothya:
1. Can you provide any evidence that contradicts common ancestry of the great ape lineage?
What would such evidence even look like?Mung
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timothya,
The Gorilla Who Broke the Tree - Doug Axe PhD. - March 2012 Excerpt: Well, the recent publication of the gorilla genome sequence shows that the expected pattern just isn’t there. Instead of a nested hierarchy of similarities, we see something more like a mosaic. According to a recent report [1], “In 30% of the genome, gorilla is closer to human or chimpanzee than the latter are to each other…” That’s sufficiently difficult to square with Darwin’s tree that it ought to bring the whole theory into question. And in an ideal world where Darwinism is examined the way scientific theories ought to be examined, I think it would. But in the real world things aren’t always so simple. http://www.biologicinstitute.org/post/19703401390/the-gorilla-who-broke-the-tree A False Trichotomy Excerpt: The common chimp (Pan troglodytes) and human Y chromosomes are “horrendously different from each other”, says David Page,,, “It looks like there’s been a dramatic renovation or reinvention of the Y chromosome in the chimpanzee and human lineages.” https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/a-false-trichotomy/ From Jerry Coyne, More Table-Pounding, Hand-Waving - May 2012 Excerpt: "More than 6 percent of genes found in humans simply aren't found in any form in chimpanzees. There are over fourteen hundred novel genes expressed in humans but not in chimps." Jerry Coyne - ardent and 'angry' neo-Darwinist - professor at the University of Chicago in the department of ecology and evolution for twenty years. He specializes in evolutionary genetics. New Genes, New Brain - October 2011 Excerpt: “This is one of the first studies to look at the role of completely novel genes” in primate brain development,,, A bevy of genes known to be active during human fetal and infant development first appeared at the same time that the prefrontal cortex,,, Finally, 54 of the 280 genes found to be unique to humans were also highly expressed in the developing prefrontal cortex,,,, “We were very shocked that there were that many new genes that were upregulated in this part of the brain,” said Long, who added that he was also taken aback by synchronicity of the origin of the genes and the development of novel brain structures.,,, (From the PLoS article, author’s summary: We found these genes are scattered across the whole genome, demonstrating that they are generated by many independent events,,, Our data reveal that evolutionary change in the development of the human brain happened at the protein level by gene origination,,) http://the-scientist.com/2011/10/19/new-genes-new-brain/ The Fate of Darwinism: Evolution After the Modern Synthesis - David J. Depew and Bruce H. Weber - 2011 Excerpt: We trace the history of the Modern Evolutionary Synthesis, and of genetic Darwinism generally, with a view to showing why, even in its current versions, it can no longer serve as a general framework for evolutionary theory. The main reason is empirical. Genetical Darwinism cannot accommodate the role of development (and of genes in development) in many evolutionary processes.,,, http://www.springerlink.com/content/845x02v03g3t7002/ Experimental Evolution in Fruit Flies (35 years of trying to force fruit flies to evolve in the laboratory fails, spectacularly) - October 2010 Excerpt: "Despite decades of sustained selection in relatively small, sexually reproducing laboratory populations, selection did not lead to the fixation of newly arising unconditionally advantageous alleles.,,, "This research really upends the dominant paradigm about how species evolve," said ecology and evolutionary biology professor Anthony Long, the primary investigator. http://www.arn.org/blogs/index.php/literature/2010/10/07/experimental_evolution_in_fruit_flies Response to John Wise - October 2010 Excerpt: But there are solid empirical grounds for arguing that changes in DNA alone cannot produce new organs or body plans. A technique called "saturation mutagenesis"1,2 has been used to produce every possible developmental mutation in fruit flies (Drosophila melanogaster),3,4,5 roundworms (Caenorhabditis elegans),6,7 and zebrafish (Danio rerio),8,9,10 and the same technique is now being applied to mice (Mus musculus).11,12 None of the evidence from these and numerous other studies of developmental mutations supports the neo-Darwinian dogma that DNA mutations can lead to new organs or body plans--because none of the observed developmental mutations benefit the organism. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/10/response_to_john_wise038811.html More from Ann Gauger on why humans didn’t happen the way Darwin said - July 2012 Excerpt: Each of these new features probably required multiple mutations. Getting a feature that requires six neutral mutations is the limit of what bacteria can produce. For primates (e.g., monkeys, apes and humans) the limit is much more severe. Because of much smaller effective population sizes (an estimated ten thousand for humans instead of a billion for bacteria) and longer generation times (fifteen to twenty years per generation for humans vs. a thousand generations per year for bacteria), it would take a very long time for even a single beneficial mutation to appear and become fixed in a human population. You don’t have to take my word for it. In 2007, Durrett and Schmidt estimated in the journal Genetics that for a single mutation to occur in a nucleotide-binding site and be fixed in a primate lineage would require a waiting time of six million years. The same authors later estimated it would take 216 million years for the binding site to acquire two mutations, if the first mutation was neutral in its effect. Facing Facts But six million years is the entire time allotted for the transition from our last common ancestor with chimps to us according to the standard evolutionary timescale. Two hundred and sixteen million years takes us back to the Triassic, when the very first mammals appeared. One or two mutations simply aren’t sufficient to produce the necessary changes— sixteen anatomical features—in the time available. At most, a new binding site might affect the regulation of one or two genes. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/more-from-ann-gauger-on-why-humans-didnt-happen-the-way-darwin-said/ Missing Transitional Fossils in the Hominid Fossil Record - Casey Luskin - Sept. 12, 2012 - podcast Description: On this episode of ID the Future, listen to a short segment of a recent presentation Casey Luskin gave on the hominid fossil record. While popular media often reports that the fossil record is complete and conclusive, the technical scientific literature reveals this to be false. In actuality, human-like fossils and ape-like fossil are clearly distinct from one another, and the so-called transitional fossil record is highly fragmented. http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/entry/2012-09-12T17_53_42-07_00 How do Theistic Evolutionists Explain the Fossil Record and Human Origins? - Casey Luskin - September 14, 2012 Excerpt: In six recent articles (see the links at right), I have argued that the fossil record does not support the evolution of ape-like species into human-like species. Rather, hominin fossils generally fall into two distinct groups: ape-like species and human-like species, with a large, unbridged gap between them.,,, Third, not all paleontologists agree with Kidder that the lack of transitional fossils is simply the result of the unsophisticated (and all-too-easy) excuse the fossil record is poor. Consider what paleontologist Niles Eldredge and paleoanthropologist Ian Tattersal (who are both committed evolutionists) co-wrote in a book on human origins: "The record jumps, and all the evidence shows that the record is real: the gaps we see reflect real events in life's history -- not the artifact of a poor fossil record." (Niles Eldredge and Ian Tattersall, The Myths of Human Evolution, p. 59 (NY: Columbia University Press, 1982).) http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/09/how_do_theistic_1064301.html
etc.. etc.. etc..bornagain77
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timothya- Is there are genetic evidence that says the physical transformations required (for humans to be descended from knucle-walkers/ quadrapeds) are even possible?Joe
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Based on the evidence of the quoted paper: 1. Can you provide any evidence that contradicts common ancestry of the great ape lineage? 2. Do you propose, on the basis of the paper, an alternative phylogenetic structure (alternative to common ancestry) to explain the observed common embryological, developmental, fossil and genetic evidence shared by the ape clade? 4. Does the paper provide any evidence that humans do not fit inside the currently accepted phylogeny of the ape clade? 5. Do humans fit within any phylogenetic structure that you infer from the paper you quote?timothya
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"Human prehistory has descended into a state of chaos which can only be described as farcical." Not just humans. I read the other day that a number of studies on the genomes of falcons have shown that they're apparently more closely related to warblers than they are to hawks. Go figure.Dick
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29 years per generation? Is that a typo? Female chimps and orangutans can reproduce at 10. Perhaps earlier. Why are they "(assuming an average generation time of 29 years)"? What am I missing? Humans? 29 seems a tad long for humans too. The point is if the generation time is halved that pulls the numbers either to a match or much closer. VJT:
why is it that humans share at least 28 unique physical characteristics with orangutans, but only two with chimps and seven with gorillas, despite the fact that we’re genetically closer to chimps and gorillas?
Because it ain't necessarily about the genetics. It's the way the genetics are used. Yeah baby, I'ze knowz my evolution. Obvioulsy the orangutans' environment/ fitness lanscape function thing, was such that it drove the formation of those characteristics, in a non-random feed-back hackey-sack, kind of way. And humans play hackey-sack, so there ya go.Joe
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