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After TED Talks removed Rupert Sheldrake’s talk on—you guessed it—the problems with materialism in science.

Set Science Free:

A global community of scientists, academics, and concerned citizens united in the effort to free science and education from the outdated dogma of philosophical materialism

After its successful 2014 TED.com Campaign, Set Science Free (SSF) is now spearheading a related campaign to support post-materialist consciousness studies in university programs. The purpose of the TED Campaign was to demonstrate to TED that there is support among the scientific and academic community to challenge dogmatic materialistic belief systems. Our goal was also to challenge TED to live up to its own mission statement.

We discovered in our conversation with Chris Anderson, curator of TED, that he alone made the decision to pull Rupert Sheldrake’s controversial TED talk (about the limits of materialistic science) based on an “informal discussion” with a few unnamed scientists and journalists. In short, belief-laden interests as well as willful ignorance of valid post-materialistic science guided TED’s actions. To be fair, Mr. Anderson’s decision reflects a common and well known academic and institutional bias in support of philosophical materialism. With that said, willful ignorance and institutional bias do not constitute any semblance of a plan of action for the next generation of scientists. The very spirit of science itself is at stake when solid research (from Sheldrake and a multitude of others) is dismissed sight unseen, solely based on the subject matter and not on the content or merits of the actual research. The education system continues to regurgitate tired and outdated dogmas against post-materialist consciousness studies. The educational system must change to combat this hindrance to scientific progress.

First, materialist studies of consciousness have gone nowhere—except nice venues for conferences—for decades. A failure that is all the odder because great physicists have so often failed to endorse the nonsense anyway.

More, origin of life studies are a Potemkin village in science because life differs from non-life principally in the vast amount of information it embodies, not in a lucky lightning strike somewhere. A lightning strike will not do that.

In any event, once science became committed to materialism (some of us would have said naturalism), any materialist/naturalist explanation became more “scientific” by virtue of its origin than any explanation that took account of facts that didn’t fit that view.

That is how evolutionary psychology, for example, came to be a science, despite the clown shoes, hat, and makeup.

And why compassion, philanthropy, and self-sacrifice are supposed to be some kind of a problem, along with free will. Who said we had to study these phenomena as problems, instead of just facts?

The materialists did. That’s who. And if they can’t come up with a coherent explanation, no one else is allowed to.

Increasing numbers of thinkers from a variety of perspectives are just checking out, one guesses.

Goals of Science Set Free?:

While many scientists and academics worldwide understand and regularly experience the challenges of materialist politics firsthand, they are justifiably engaged with research and professorial duties, and thus do not have the time to act as educational activists. This is where Set Science Free aims to insert itself—in the role of aid and advocate. Our new campaign can be defined as tersely thus:

Set Science Free is currently working with any professor or student organization that has an interest in starting a Consciousness Studies program at their respective university.

Won’t be easy keeping out the legacy science fascists and the new age crackpots at the same time.

But heck, why shouldn’t they try? Has anything else worked?

Will try to keep you posted.

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"nature can indeed generates irreducible complexity" We already know that natural processes can produce irreducible complexity. Not in the sense of the observation of the evolution of intelligence but Lenski's E. coli was definitively an IC product of evolution. "how do you categorize “consciousness” and/or “intelligence”? Are they perhaps in the supernatural category?" They're products of the brain.CHartsil
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CHartsil, how do you categorize "consciousness" and/or "intelligence"? Are they perhaps in the supernatural category? Secondly, do you hold that they are foundational to science?Box
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This is why I made the argument the other day that Intelligence is a subcategory of Natural and Supernatural causation, and not its own category. If the operation of the nature (materialism) can account for human intelligence, then nature can indeed generates irreducible complexity, and that's a significant detraction from ID theory. However, if human intelligence can only be explained by the supernatural (immaterial) then irreducible complexity is safe from a material explanation. And it would explain why many ID proponents believe that computers/robots will never be able to attain intelligence equivalent to a human being because we humans can not bestow the supernatural upon the natural.rhampton7
February 20, 2015
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"They claim that they know that life self-designed and arose out of dirt all by itself." Not to my knowledge and I work in the field of cell & molecular biology. There are some interesting and promising hypotheses on abiogenesis but far from anything that would be considered a theory.CHartsil
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CHartsil:
“All the while he is completely incapable of realizing that it is his position that is magical and supernatural.” How so? In science, you should have no problem saying “I don’t know” if we don’t know.
This is not what the materialist church has been claiming. They claim that they know that life self-designed and arose out of dirt all by itself. And they claim that they know that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain and that intelligent robots will be conscious. They claim that they know that all that is necessary for consciousness is a complex enough neural network. They claim that they'll gain immortality by uploading a copy of their brain into a machine. It's all pseudoscientific, religious crap. It's pathetically stupid, in the not even wrong category.Mapou
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"All the while he is completely incapable of realizing that it is his position that is magical and supernatural." How so? In science, you should have no problem saying "I don't know" if we don't know.CHartsil
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CHartsil spews his infertile seed (magical this, supernatural that) in the dust and claims victory. LOL. All the while he is completely incapable of realizing that it is his position that is magical and supernatural.Mapou
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You: An intelligent agent not subject to the boundaries of time or space created the universe and life an indeterminate time ago Me: You're all in my head and I'm just a brain in a vat. One is as plausible and demonstrable as the other. Hey, you're 'here' so that fits perfectly with you just being figments of my imagination.CHartsil
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"but science must also convincingly explain existing phenomena" Injecting magical non-answers into the gaps isn't going to accomplish this. You can count all the scientific models later replaced by supernatural explanations on zero hands.CHartsil
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"Has that been falsified? ‘Seems to me that non-materialistic hypotheses can be falsified." You can't show that a supernatural explanation is specifically false. You can only evidence non-supernatural explanations. You still can't prove that gods fighting isn't what causes the rapid heating and expansion of air during and after lightning. "What of Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle" Uncertainty isn't named such because it's uncertain what's going on or under what conditions. It's named so because the more certainty had regarding A the less there can be had regarding B. That's demonstrable and repeatable.CHartsil
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CHartsil:
Science is necessarily restricted to materialism/methodological naturalism because scientific models have to be falsifiable and subject to constant certain variables.
Certainly, science must be falsifiable (don't tell that to the multi-universe crackpots), but science must also convincingly explain existing phenomena such as the origin of life on earth, consciousness and man's infatuation with beauty and the arts. Since the current paradigm, materialism, cannot explain these things (they are, embarrassingly, outside its explanatory scope), we need a major paradigm shift. But don't fret, yall. It'll get here soon enough.Mapou
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CHartsil, "Science is necessarily restricted to materialism/methodological naturalism because scientific models have to be falsifiable and subject to constant certain variables." Mind if I diagnose your statement for a bit? You state, "because scientific models have to be falsifiable." Are you daring to state that no non-materialistic hypothesis is falsifiable? I understand that it has been believed by some that thunder was the sound of "gods" fighting. Has that been falsified? 'Seems to me that non-materialistic hypotheses can be falsified. You state, "because scientific models have to be ... subject to constant certain variables." What of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, is it not science? Does it not stand directly in contrast with your conjecture? Further, is not the role of statistical analysis to glean some pattern of constancy out of the inconstant? Hmmm, you hypothesize, "Science is necessarily restricted to materialism/methodological naturalism because scientific models have to be falsifiable and subject to constant certain variables." I contend that I have falsified your hypothesis.bFast
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Science is necessarily restricted to materialism/methodological naturalism because scientific models have to be falsifiable and subject to constant certain variables.CHartsil
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Materialism cannot explain consciousness. It cannot explain why humans are infatuated with music and the arts. It cannot explain why we have likes and dislikes for new things, things that we have never seen before, things that are irrelevant to survival. Materialism is the most stupid "scientific" philosophy ever, worse than the flat earth hypothesis, worse than time travel, worse than chicken feather voodoo. ahahaha...AHAHAHA...ahahaha...Mapou
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ID people want it taught in public schools with their opposition trying to keep it out.
That is incorrect.Joe
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In an effort to offend people on both sides of the ID debate, let me make a couple of points regarding strategy. ID people want it taught in public schools with their opposition trying to keep it out. Why? I which western countries does a large majority of it's population believe in God? The USA. Which countries have never required teaching religion in the schools. The USA. We hear shouts of anger over the poles showing half the US population does not believe in evolution and a majority of the rest believes it happened with divine guidance. What accounts for this? The public doesn't understand or even follow science? True! But here is something they do know about. Who's trying to con them. They see overheated attempts to con and bully them into a given position as dishonesty. This has then given them a reason to disregard anything said by that person group etc. The major reason juries give for their voting is I did not trust that lawyer or their client. I occasionally play poker in a casino. From time to time a disagreement occurs: "you acted out of turn." "You shorted the pot.", and so on. If I'm involved I will take out a hundred dollar bill, and lay it on the table. "Let's bet on it. We can look at the video." How often do you think someone takes me up on this offer. Your right if you said never. The put up or shut up argument can be very persuasive. If I wanted evolution to be believed I would encourage the schools to teach creationism or ID. You have little to lose. If I wanted ID promoted I would ignore the schools. You have little to gain and few things have been enhanced by an association with our public schools.carlg
February 20, 2015
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Materialism is the epitome of crank philosophy- it isn't even wrong.Joe
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Refuting evidence? You must be pulling my leg. Sheldrake is the very epitome of crank science. If there were any truth in morphic resonance, his crankitude would be spreading pandemically. The talk has been reposted on numerous websites and remains freely available to anyone who might be interested, so where's the censorship? TED didn't want to be associated with its promotion, which I find understandable.Piotr
February 20, 2015
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Piotr misses the forest, as usual. Why was a petition even necessary, Piotr? Is materialism so frail it cannot handle such talks with refuting evidence and therefor must censor all dissention?Joe
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After its successful 2014 TED.com Campaign...
Decoded, it means that their petition, signed by 251 people over a period of about a year, was handed over to the curator of TED, who promised to have a look at it.Piotr
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humbled: I would then hold a tribunal where those responsible for the scientific dark age we find ourselves in currently are made to account and atone for their grave sins against humanity. These science terrorists need to be brought to justice. Sorry cannot access videos, how does one the test the immaterial without material means? I agree, there are never enough tribunals and materialist/ naturalists should be made to pay with immaterial punishments.velikovskys
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In addition to the excellent links and comments by Mr. Bornagain77...I offer the following: ABSTRACT THINKING Consider Einstein as he pursues the theories which became known as Relativity. Let's imagine he is riding home on a bus. He gives his mind a few gentle nudges to get on course to solve the problem that has been gnawing at him. In response, his mind brings forth a continuous stream of complex, abstract, related thoughts and images into his consciousness. I note the following aspects of this which cannot possibly be explained by a materialist, reductionist view that the brain is all there is to human consciousness and thought: 1. There is no conceivable way that abstract thoughts can be represented in brain chemistry. They are not the same kind of thing. Abstract thoughts are not quantifiable. 2. The set of related thoughts cannot be explained by bottom up causation. At each instance in time, the electro-chemical events in the brain are in no way determined along a pathway to produce a set of related mental events. This demonstrates that mind and free will-- top-down causation--are at work. 3. There is no evolutionary survival advantage to understanding the theory of Relativity. 4. Given that Relativity reflects reality, this demonstrates that final causes and not contingent causes. The fact that humans can comprehend reality means, in effect, that the human mind can model the complexity of the known world. It can therefore be said that the mind can subsume the complexity of the known world. Where does this complexity come from? It certainly cannot be accounted for in our DNA or any epigenetic phenomenon. Of course this goes for any set of thoughts--not just those of Einstein related to Relativity. The intractability in explain Relativity goes for all the thoughts that comprise the sum total of all human knowledge, all human artifacts, all artistic renderings, all human musings from the sacred to the profane; from the sublime to the ridiculous. CONTINUITY OF CONSCIOUS THOUGHT Consider: 1. That our thought streams are related and uninterrupted. Notice that the brain (mind) always has something to say and it is always related to the context of one's prior mental state and one's general interest. This cannot be explained by a brain-only materialistic view because there is no reason to expect the brain could continuously produce, locate, sequester and present complex, related thoughts to our consciousness within the brain's components. And how could these thoughts all be sorted out? It is never the case that you have a bunch of different thoughts stepping all over each other as they make their way to our consciousness. And there are no gaps. Physical brain states would in no way be necessitated to produce related mental states, except by chance. CONTINUITY OF SELF Consider: 1. No matter what set of states that the brain (mind) traverse through during one's life, e.g. childhood development, massive perturbations such as cardiac arrest, anesthesia, etc, the brain (mind) always returns with that same sense of self. An extreme case is Pam Reynolds who was under general anesthetic, had all the blood drained out of her head, all molecular activity ceased, yet when the anesthesia wore off and the blood was recirculated through her brain, guess what? Same old Pam Reynolds. Memories restored e.g. she commented about hearing Eagle's Hotel California when she woke up. The materialistic putative brain reboot program necessary to restore something as complex as consciousness, complex thought, memory, etc, would have to be the most marvelously complex program imaginable. But where is it? Where is the algorithm that allows the brain to restore itself from a state of chaos? In the DNA? Where? And how could it have evolved? With the population sizes of nascent humans and time available, evolution by random mutation and natural selection could not even create the most simple program of all: "Hello World" (40^40th [40 characters in program; 40 keys on keyboard] is much higher than what could be sampled in 5 million years by even a trillion individuals). 2. 100% up-time in the brain, ever notice that? The brain (mind) just keeps on working rather flawlessly, i.e. no or very few "crashes." Programming through random mutation and selection is hopelessly, utterly inadequate for anything complex at all, let alone what would have to be the most complex program of all. DREAM SEQUENCES - A SIMPLE DISPROOF OF MATERIALISM Here is a simple disproof a materialism that everyone can understand; consider dream sequences: Assumptions: Dreams always involve novel (NEW) content - they are not rehashings or restructuring of various memories; although the topics are in the context of one's life experiences. Dreams are high definition imagery. Dreams are real imagery, i.e. you are unaware or unable to distinguish the dream imagery when it is going on from real visual imagery during waking consciousness. Dreams contain complex specified information, each image element (analogous to a pixel in HDTV) WITHIN an imagery frame in a dream has to be what it is for the imagery to be coherent and correlated. And each image element (pixel) has to be what it is for the imagery to be coherent and correlated ACROSS frames. I.e. each image element is highly constrained--highly specific. Calculation Calculating probabilities is an endeavor in searching through large space. Calculate the superset of the overall search space: - Determine the number of brain components involved. - Determine the number of alternative states that the brain components could be in. - Determine the refresh rate or frame rate of the dream imagery. - Determine the number of image frames in the dream. Example: Let's say a neuron synapse is our "brain component" and it could be either firing or not, i.e. binary. Let's say that there would have to be 10 million brain components (synapes firing or not) to produce each imagery frame in the dream. Let's say a 5 second dream sequence has 20 image frames per second. So: 2^10,000,000 * (20 * 5) = A prohibitively large number that calculators cannot even represent. This is the super set of possible brain states within which our single precise set of brain states necessary to cause our dream imagery. Yet there is no cause imaginable that could necessitate the lower level physical states along such a precise set of mental states. Note that in this exercise I am waving away a whole host of intractable difficulties and just focusing on what can be quantitatively demonstrated. For example I am waving away the following: The fact that dreams are imagery that is not initiated by vision. The dialog that goes along with dreams. The thoughts, sometimes abstract thoughts, that go along with a dream. That you seem to be able to focus your attention to a specific point in the dream imagery. The difficulty with how the brain could sequester the precise set of brain components involved in producing the dream imagery. The difficulty with how the brain even registers imagery in one's consciousness.nkendall
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What a refreshing development!William J Murray
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Tjguy is right. If these cretins had any actual evidence they'd produce it instead of using sophistry, fraud and positions of authority to silence dissent. Not long now though ;)humbled
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All this censorship reveals nothing more than that the Emporer has no clothes and they are all afraid to admit it. Quite revealing and actually, it is an encouraging sign to me because censorship is all they have to stand on it seems.tjguy
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This is good news. Science can finally be put right and freed from the shackles of materialism. I would then hold a tribunal where those responsible for the scientific dark age we find ourselves in currently are made to account and atone for their grave sins against humanity. These science terrorists need to be brought to justice.humbled
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Even many materialistic scientists/philosophers admit that the hard problem of consciousness has no hope for resolution within the materialistic framework:
‘But the hard problem of consciousness is so hard that I can’t even imagine what kind of empirical findings would satisfactorily solve it. In fact, I don’t even know what kind of discovery would get us to first base, not to mention a home run.’ David Barash – Materialist/Atheist Darwinian Psychologist “We have so much confidence in our materialist assumptions (which are assumptions, not facts) that something like free will is denied in principle. Maybe it doesn’t exist, but I don’t really know that. Either way, it doesn’t matter because if free will and consciousness are just an illusion, they are the most seamless illusions ever created. Film maker James Cameron wishes he had special effects that good.” Matthew D. Lieberman – neuroscientist – materialist – UCLA professor Mind and Cosmos – Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False – Thomas Nagel Excerpt: If materialism cannot accommodate consciousness and other mind-related aspects of reality, then we must abandon a purely materialist understanding of nature in general, extending to biology, evolutionary theory, and cosmology. Since minds are features of biological systems that have developed through evolution, the standard materialist version of evolutionary biology is fundamentally incomplete. And the cosmological history that led to the origin of life and the coming into existence of the conditions for evolution cannot be a merely materialist history. http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199919758.do
Here a Harvard neurosurgeon, a former atheist and who had a life changing Near Death Experience, comments on the ‘hard' problem:
The Science of Heaven by Dr. Eben Alexander – Nov. 18, 2012 Can consciousness exist when the body fails? One neurosurgeon says he has seen it firsthand—and takes on critics who vehemently disagree. Excerpt: Many scientists who study consciousness would agree with me that, in fact, the hard problem of consciousness is probably the one question facing modern science that is arguably forever beyond our knowing, at least in terms of a physicalist model of how the brain might create consciousness. In fact, they would agree that the problem is so profound that we don’t even know how to phrase a scientific question addressing it. But if we must decide which produces which, modern physics is pushing us in precisely the opposite direction, suggesting that it is consciousness that is primary and matter secondary. http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/11/18/the-science-of-heaven.html
David Chalmers is semi-famous for getting the ‘hard problem’ of consciousness across to lay people in a very easy to understand manner:
David Chalmers on Consciousness (Philosophical Zombies and the Hard Problem) – video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Yo6VbRoo
One simple way of demonstrating that the mind is not the same thing as the brain comes from utilizing the ‘Law Of Identity’ to separate properties of mind from properties of the brain:
Immaterial Mind - video (Law Of Identity) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720zEnzgTyM Mind-Body Dualism - Is the Mind Purely a Function of the Brain? by Michael Egnor Conclusion: Strict materialism predicts that mental function will always correlate with brain function, because mental function is the same thing as brain function. Dualism predicts that mental function and brain function won’t always correlate, because mental function isn’t the same thing as brain function. The Cambridge findings are more consistent with the dualist prediction than with the strict materialist prediction. http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/mind-body_dualism.html Six reasons why you should believe in non-physical minds – podcast and summary (Law of Identity: 6 properties of mind that are not identical to properties of the brain, thus the mind is not the brain) http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/six-reasons-why-you-should-believe-in-non-physical-minds/ The Mind and Materialist Superstition – Six “conditions of mind” that are irreconcilable with materialism: Michael Egnor, professor of neurosurgery at SUNY, Stony Brook Excerpt: Intentionality,,, Qualia,,, Persistence of Self-Identity,,, Restricted Access,,, Incorrigibility,,, Free Will,,, http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/11/the_mind_and_materialist_super.html
Alvin Plantinga has a humorous way of getting this ‘Law of Identity’ point across:
Alvin Plantinga and the Modal Argument (for the existence of the mind/soul) – video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOTn_wRwDE0
Of related note: Pam Reynolds commented on her perspective of seeing her earthly body during her Near Death Experience
“It (my body) looked like pretty much what it was. As in void of life.” Pam Reynolds - Extremely Monitored Near Death Experience – video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k
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