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After TED Talks removed Rupert Sheldrake’s talk on—you guessed it—the problems with materialism in science.

Set Science Free:

A global community of scientists, academics, and concerned citizens united in the effort to free science and education from the outdated dogma of philosophical materialism

After its successful 2014 TED.com Campaign, Set Science Free (SSF) is now spearheading a related campaign to support post-materialist consciousness studies in university programs. The purpose of the TED Campaign was to demonstrate to TED that there is support among the scientific and academic community to challenge dogmatic materialistic belief systems. Our goal was also to challenge TED to live up to its own mission statement.

We discovered in our conversation with Chris Anderson, curator of TED, that he alone made the decision to pull Rupert Sheldrake’s controversial TED talk (about the limits of materialistic science) based on an “informal discussion” with a few unnamed scientists and journalists. In short, belief-laden interests as well as willful ignorance of valid post-materialistic science guided TED’s actions. To be fair, Mr. Anderson’s decision reflects a common and well known academic and institutional bias in support of philosophical materialism. With that said, willful ignorance and institutional bias do not constitute any semblance of a plan of action for the next generation of scientists. The very spirit of science itself is at stake when solid research (from Sheldrake and a multitude of others) is dismissed sight unseen, solely based on the subject matter and not on the content or merits of the actual research. The education system continues to regurgitate tired and outdated dogmas against post-materialist consciousness studies. The educational system must change to combat this hindrance to scientific progress.

First, materialist studies of consciousness have gone nowhere—except nice venues for conferences—for decades. A failure that is all the odder because great physicists have so often failed to endorse the nonsense anyway.

More, origin of life studies are a Potemkin village in science because life differs from non-life principally in the vast amount of information it embodies, not in a lucky lightning strike somewhere. A lightning strike will not do that.

In any event, once science became committed to materialism (some of us would have said naturalism), any materialist/naturalist explanation became more “scientific” by virtue of its origin than any explanation that took account of facts that didn’t fit that view.

That is how evolutionary psychology, for example, came to be a science, despite the clown shoes, hat, and makeup.

And why compassion, philanthropy, and self-sacrifice are supposed to be some kind of a problem, along with free will. Who said we had to study these phenomena as problems, instead of just facts?

The materialists did. That’s who. And if they can’t come up with a coherent explanation, no one else is allowed to.

Increasing numbers of thinkers from a variety of perspectives are just checking out, one guesses.

Goals of Science Set Free?:

While many scientists and academics worldwide understand and regularly experience the challenges of materialist politics firsthand, they are justifiably engaged with research and professorial duties, and thus do not have the time to act as educational activists. This is where Set Science Free aims to insert itself—in the role of aid and advocate. Our new campaign can be defined as tersely thus:

Set Science Free is currently working with any professor or student organization that has an interest in starting a Consciousness Studies program at their respective university.

Won’t be easy keeping out the legacy science fascists and the new age crackpots at the same time.

But heck, why shouldn’t they try? Has anything else worked?

Will try to keep you posted.

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Well, so you agree clinical death controversial is controversial. Conclusion: We both agree the AWARE study is useless.
We agree that the brain doesn't provide Consciousness that's why all these people had awareness long after the brain has drained from oxygen. I think we agree on that the NDE is wrong term since its a transmission event and not the actual afterlife. The study also concludes that many people had those experiences and awareness but they forget it because of the amnesia drugs before the surgery. "This suggests more people may have mental activity initially but then lose their memories after recovery, either due to the effects of brain injury or sedative drugs on memory recall," explained Dr Parnia, who was an Honorary Research Fellow at the University of Southampton when he started the AWARE study.JimFit
February 24, 2015
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JimFit @ 88,
Me_Think :Did you notice that in the AWARE study, not a single patient- out of over 2000-saw the placards which were placed in strategic locations to verify NDE? JimFit:I am alive, i have my eyes open but i still don’t notice some things around me even if someone points at them.....
Do you undersand what you are saying ? You are essentially saying AWARE's methodology (of using placards to ascertain NDE) is wrong. If the methodology is wrong, the conclusions are obviously wrong. I agree.
JimFit: The aware study proved that 46% of the patients that were considered dead for more than 3 minutes had awareness of the environment and experiences... MT:Note that Clinically dead is still controversial term, so the 3 minutes is not significant. JimFit:I don’t think the purposeless random cosmic mistakes (atheists materialists) know when someone is dead....
Well, so you agree clinical death controversial is controversial. Conclusion: We both agree the AWARE study is useless.Me_Think
February 24, 2015
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Me_Think
Did you notice that in the AWARE study, not a single patient- out of over 2000-saw the placards which were placed in strategic locations to verify NDE?
I am alive, i have my eyes open but i still don't notice some things around me even if someone points at them, does that make me dead? Of course not. The aware study proved that 46% of the patients that were considered dead for more than 3 minutes had awareness of the environment and experiences. These experiences felt like real events for the patients. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130327190359.htm That's incredible if you think that it takes only 20 seconds for the brain to stop functioning after the heart has stopped. These experiences cannot be considered as Hallucinations since the brain doesn't store Hallucinations as real events.
Note that Clinically dead is still controversial term, so the 3 minutes is not significant.
I don't think the purposeless random cosmic mistakes (atheists materialists) know when someone is dead, if you consider yourself a collection of atoms then technically you never die since even when you are dead you are still composed of atoms, i mean, what separates matter from matter? This force that we describe as soul or consciousness must exist to declare someone dead since this force makes material self alive and separates him from this. http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/wp-content/blogs.dir/472/files/2012/04/i-54957dded8a5e4cd3fd35e02810c78e4-ChemMicroSet.jpgJimFit
February 23, 2015
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wallstreeter43 @ 84 Did you notice that in the AWARE study, not a single patient- out of over 2000-saw the placards which were placed in strategic locations to verify NDE? The lone patient who recalled nurses could easily have been recalling memory from the time he was not 'clinically dead'. Note that Clinically dead is still controversial term, so the 3 minutes is not significant. There are cases when..
.. a woman was erroneously declared dead after having a heart attack and wound up freezing to death in a body bag in the morgue. Another woman gave birth to a baby three months after she technically died. Then, there was a case of a skier who became submerged under freezing water for hours, but was revived and suffered no brain damage
Doctors can also declare people dead if their heart stops beating and won't start up again on its own. But hearts can sometimes be restarted after they stop beating, so the call is tricky. "The question is, how long does the heart have to stop beating before you can call someone dead?" Bernat said.Cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) can revive people many minutes after their heart stops beating, often with no lasting brain damage, so doctors should perform CPR for at least 38 minutes, a 2013 study presented at the American Heart Association meeting found. Doctors can issue a death certificate before that point, and often do if a patient has a do-not-resuscitate order. But sometimes, CPR is not performed for long enough. That raises the possibility that some revivable patients die when they didn't have to
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Axel, that's still not anything beyond the possibility of human knowledge. Ever seen a psychic cold read someone? Ever seen one win the million dollar paranormal challenge by James Randi? Of course not, that would require actual psychic ability. >He knew what some people said vs >He knew a 7.1 magnitude earthquake was going to occur in Brasilia at 6:22 PM on March 3rd 2015 Give me the latter and I'll be convinced. Try taking 1% of the scrutiny you apply to methodological naturalism and apply to this nonsense and you'll see where I'm coming from.CHartsil
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velikovskys said:
Since you have yet to provide an operational scientific one ,a logically based one seemed preferable to none, sorry
I have yet to provide one because it's not me that brought it into the debate; CHartsil did, and you employed it; if you wish to debate whether or not science can investigate it, then it is up to you or CHartsil to provide an appropriate definition. I have no use for the term; IMO, it only serves to draw an imaginary, biased, cultural line between things we can explain and things we currently cannot; between things we accept as common and mundane, and things which appear to be very strange and confounding.William J Murray
February 23, 2015
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Hey axel, that is actually a pretty good site . I visit it often . I have a friend there that is an agnostic but he is has a very unbiased , open mind and he finds parnia's work extremely convincing . Your right that there are simply people that will never allow themselves to believe no matter what the evidence is. A classic case of this was when a very big atheist forum heard of the parnia aware results. All of a sudden they were all in an anxiety filled frenzy . Their worst nightmares came true . There really could be an afterlife . Seeing them get all worked just made me shake my head in disbelief .the thought of an eternal afterlife made them go nuts . What really made me laugh was what one of the main bloggers there said in one of her blogs posts . She said relax everyone , this doesn't prove there is an afterlife . It only proves that a person can have conscious awareness without a functioning brain lol. I should have left it at that when he brought out the lottery post as it became apparent that I was tossing the so called pearls to the so called swine . Yea the secular lad on the Christian forums site seems to have a classic case of emotional denial . Axel , all you can do is share the facts which u did well. Maybe one day when he has become a little less emotional ally charged against God and the supernatural, hopefully he will look at the evidence with a new pair of eyes :) But there was another purpose for me bringing this discussion to him. There was another atheist that I was having a debate with in this very subject and when he sees how Chartsil dodged, denied and moved the goal posts hes going to get my point. This other guy is a very open atheist and thanks to Chartsil he now has some pretty bad doubts about his atheism. Special thanks to Chartsil from me and my secular friend . You've done a great service man Keep it upwallstreeter43
February 23, 2015
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Velikovskys, does not the very word, 'cause' mean to entail? I don't know what is the matter with you chaps. You know the danger of going round in ever-decreasing circles.Axel
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Wallstreeter, I foolishly allowed myself to waste my time responding to a zealous, secular fundamentalist on a thread I started at Christianforums.com. No matter what evidence I produced, it will count for nothing for him. Though I did have some fun, hoisting him with his own petard, when, seeking to discomfit me, he asked me if I could describe the contents of the video-clip I'd posted, as, he claimed, he didn't understand 'how to work videos'. I've been asking him if he managed to find a friend who could explain to him 'how to work a YouTube video' The response to his request, however, was simple enough, even for li'l' ole 'technoprat' me, in that it was Eric Metaxas' exposure of the folly of attributing the fine-tuning of the universe to chance. Interesting point you made about CH's nihilism adding insult to injury. Well, it is the last straw, isn't it?Axel
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What are you arguing about? You’ve already agreed that just because something is supernatural doesn’t mean it cannot be scientifically investigated. Not exactly Wjm: The question for both of them is: why does the state of being “supernatural” render something immune from scientific investigation? "It is not,as long as it has entailments that we can test or measure or observe. The problem is the ability to discern the difference between an unknown natural cause and an unknown supernatural cause." The question remains open to whether supernatural causes have entailments.velikovskys
February 23, 2015
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Wjm: I never said anything of the sort. I pointed out that in a debate about science and evidence, you switched to what you idiosyncratically propose as a philosophical definition for the term “supernatural” as it relates to the cosmological argument. That’s a non-sequitur. I’m not arguing the cosmological argument here or what the term “supernatural” may or may not mean in relation to it. Since you have yet to provide an operational scientific one ,a logically based one seemed preferable to none, sorryvelikovskys
February 23, 2015
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KF I suggest to you that the supernatural and the Deity are not necessarily equal. That we do not know by any logical argument, the cosmological argument only applies to a non contingent cause. It does follow that that non contingent cause is outside natural cause and effect, supernatural Do you trouble yourself, staying up nights worrying about false positives in your general knowledge base or knowledge of science? Not at night, but when working with high voltage it certainly is a concern We simply accept that knowledge in general is what is well warranted and credibly true, having regard to what degree of warrant is feasible. You seem to have some issues with knowledge that is considered well warranted and credibly true. It seems what is credibly true differs depending on one's point of view. (Then, where we find an error, we fix it. No big deal.) Unless the ship hits an iceberg and sinks. Some errors are a big deal And, I rather doubt that, say, you trouble yourself greatly over whether your knowledge of your mom is a false positive. Actually if it was a false positive I would need to figure out whose ashes those were. Nor, are you overly worried about operational testable definitions. I find clarity beneficial in most endeavors , unless obfuscation is the goal In truth, whether or not you are inclined to acknowledge it, millions have come to meet and be transformed for the good by God, across the world and down the long reach of time. I will acknowledge that, with the exception of changing " God" to "Gods" That we are all labouring under grand delusion is a highly dubious suggestion. Not if that delusion was beneficial, it would be encouraged no matter how unfounded it was Finally, you seem to be caught up in scientism, seeking SCIENTIFIC proof of God’s existence and actions. You are completely mistaken in the most terrible direction, that is my philosophical objection to ID. It seeks to diminish the need for faith by technological means, proof of God by science. Science does not delimit knowledge. Of course, Supernatural actions and events can be recognised by their character, e,g, the flying priest seen by thousands across decades, including fairly hostile scrutiny and with abundant lifetime record would count. In which case the problem is not really the types and quality of evidence and argument, but an undue resistance to what would lead where one does not wish to go. That of course your opinion and an insult to the honesty of those who disagree with your assessment, have you considered the third option?velikovskys
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Axle this is the crux of the problem here . When someone is dogmatically married to their position great evidence isn't enough . They will just keep moving the goalposts back in order to have something to hold onto as far as their worldview is concerned . But what's even more irrational is that he would not only ignite great evidence but that he would ignore it to hold onto a worldview that has no ultimate value, no ultimate purpose , no ultimate meaning and no ultimate hope. This is why I responded the way I did as he threw critical thinking and common sense out the door . I won't confuse him with the facts anymore as he is dogmatically wants his atheism and materialism to be true . This is an emotional position not an intellectual position.wallstreeter43
February 23, 2015
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What do you have to say about wallstreeter's averral, CH? 'No he described the nurses and staff that was in the room , something that he didn’t have access to before the surgery , and the controls were tight for this study and it passed peer reviewed in no major medical journal.' You see, it's all very well your accusing him of projection, but the point he has just made is actually QED in terms of your expressed doubt. Now that ought to have consequences in terms of your world-view. If not you will be behaving quite irrationally, unless you can present a plausible reason. It's absolutely crucial in these kinds of discussions, to recognise when a definitive answer to the central question cannot be repudiated, isn't it? Otherwise, it's like audience-participation, TV infotainment programmes, rather than a genuine mutual desire to establish the truth (hopefully in your favour, of course, but not at the expense of the whole subject of the argument!) As wallstreeter said, there are a number of NDE video-recordings made under sophisticated controls e.g. a Pam Reynolds clip, cited and linked by BA77, in which the patient is able to describe objects, people, and conversations, always out of his view and hearing. Even conversations between relatives in the nearby waiting-room - and in the family home, in one video! In another video, a pair of old trainers was verified to be on the roof of the hospital as the patient had described from his out-of-body experience. So, is your mind closed against such apparently veridical experiences; if not on what basis do you continue to hold out against their veracity?Axel
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AS said:
I can’t think of a way to investigate a “thing” that is supernatural or “non-material” other than by being able to detect some effect.
I agree. The question is if such effects must conform to the same kind of quantification and parameters as so-called "material" phenomena. Investigations by several scientists over decades indicate that such effects are of a different nature, and require a different kind of observational/evaluation paradigm.
So a supernatural phenomenon that has no effects that can be observed is indistinguishable from a non-existent or imaginary phenomenon.
You might investigate the effects the imagination can have on the body. Also, if certain theories of mind are true, imagining a thing might have observable, quantifiable exterior effects.William J Murray
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"Right now your in emotional denial my friend . People like u will always revise to believe regardless of the evidence . This is called fanatical dogmatism ." Psychological projection is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.CHartsil
February 23, 2015
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Let's see, they were female, dressed in white, had masks on, maybe some hair nets Personal attacks are the last ditch effort of someone coming to the end of their intellectCHartsil
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""That’s not exactly beyond the scope of human knowledge. I want a detailed prediction of a natural disaster or even some winning lottery numbers."" Now I understand why u work in a lab, but what I don't understand is who is the nitwit that let you out if the lab?wallstreeter43
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No he described the nurses and staff that was in the room , something that he didn't have access to before the surgery , and the controls were tight for this study and it passed peer reviewed in no major medical journal. Right now your in emotional denial my friend . People like u will always revise to believe regardless of the evidence . This is called fanatical dogmatism . This veridical nde is but one of many. The others had even more fascinating evidence such as seeing things outside the persons field of visual view and people blind since birth have had veridical Nde's. But I see you have made up ur mind a long time ago befire even knowing about these things . Suddenly ur faith in materialsm isn't lookimg that rock solid is it my friend ;)wallstreeter43
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He described a surgery. Let me guess, there was some anesthetic, some cutting, maybe some gauze and then some stitching. That's not exactly beyond the scope of human knowledge. I want a detailed prediction of a natural disaster or even some winning lottery numbers.CHartsil
February 23, 2015
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William j Murray , or maybe the current paradigms definition of science is to strict . I think the ancient Greeks got it when as they originally defined science as acquiring knowledge which doesn't just mean acquiring lab tested , repeatable knowledge but all other types of knowledge .wallstreeter43
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Chartil said ""Do you have any idea how many chemicals flood the brain as you’re dying? The only wonder is that it can still function after resuscitation. Instead of accusing me of being incredulous, how about giving us an example of someone who had an NDE and came back with then documented knowledge they could not have possibly had at the time."" You obviously didn't read the article did you. The guy saw everything happening in the room when his brain wasn't functioning and it was verified by the hospital staff. It's called a veridical nde , this is why I brought u a veridical nde and not a regular nde . You bviously don't know the difference . No one saying the brain isn't flooded with chemicals , and even with the deep brain surge that happened with a patient when the EEG was flat this experience can't be explained. The deep brain surge lasts for 30 seconds . This is just one example of many veridical Nde's where a person got information that was verified by outside witnesses as being true , but this was the first time that it was verified as happening after the 30 second brain surge. You cannot explain veridical Nde's with chemicals. Skeptics and atheists have known about them for a long time and have tried to explain thm in - few ways . 1.The patients and all the witnesses were all lying and it was a grand conspiracy 2.not enough strict controls on the studies 3. Somehow the chemicals and electricity caused the brain to reach out and experience these things in a materialistic way without the eyes or auditory senses . A sort of materialistic extra sensory perception if you will. Now that finally a veridical nde was documented as happening during the time of no brain function these 3 explanations seem like delusions. This study was the largest of its kind and was published in a respectable secular uk journal . Now if this study showed that veridical Nde's are caused by the brain u would have been jumping up and down and cheering them . Dude soon your materialistic paradigm will be as archaic as the dinosaurs and you will then change ur mind to follow the crowd to the mountain to find out we religious and spiritual folk were there all along waiting for u to catch up. Remember that veridical Nde's aren't the same as regular Nde's Doctor eben Alexander had a very unique nde where he brought back information from the after life of a sister he never even knew existed and when he found his real parents they showed him pics of a beautiful young lady who was his sister who died in her early thirties , and he immediately recognized her as his spirit guide in heaven . Alexander was a materialist atheist before this experience . He no longer is one now ;) Chartsil u attending the atheist church this week in ur area ? Or are you still stick in ur lab ;)wallstreeter43
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Do you have any idea how many chemicals flood the brain as you're dying? The only wonder is that it can still function after resuscitation. Instead of accusing me of being incredulous, how about giving us an example of someone who had an NDE and came back with then documented knowledge they could not have possibly had at the time.CHartsil
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“how do you categorize “consciousness” and/or “intelligence”? Are they perhaps in the supernatural category?” Chartsil says ""They’re products of the brain."" It's obvious Chartsil that you have been spending too much time in the laboratory . What you need to do singer out of your little box and see what medical science is saying about the ridiculous notion that consciousness is a product of the brain. Maybe then you can overcome your sheer ignorance If you had taken a break from yoir lab a simple google search would have provided you with sam parnia's recent aware study results published in a legit UK medical journal . http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11144442/First-hint-of-life-after-death-in-biggest-ever-scientific-study.html The largest ever medical study into near-death and out-of-body experiences has discovered that some awareness may continue even after the brain has shut down completely. One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room. Despite being unconscious and ‘dead’ for three minutes, the 57-year-old social worker from Southampton, recounted the actions of the nursing staff in detail and described the sound of the machines. “We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating,” said Dr Sam Parnia, a former research fellow at Southampton University, now at the State University of New York, who led the study. “But in this case, conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes into the period when the heart wasn’t beating, even though the brain typically shuts down within 20-30 seconds after the heart has stopped. “The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for. “He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.” Now Chartsil , remove your foot from your mouth and explain to us that if consciousness is a product of the brain then. How can a person have conscious awareness without a functioning brain. Chartsil , I think with all the ignorant dogma that your spewing maybe u should join one of those atheist churches that are starting to open up. They love people of blind faith such as yourself ;)wallstreeter43
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velikovskys said:
So God is not supernatural but esp is, interesting choice
I never said anything of the sort. I pointed out that in a debate about science and evidence, you switched to what you idiosyncratically propose as a philosophical definition for the term "supernatural" as it relates to the cosmological argument. That's a non-sequitur. I'm not arguing the cosmological argument here or what the term "supernatural" may or may not mean in relation to it.
A logical argument is evidence, if the premises are correct
It's not scientific evidence, which is what the debate is about. What are you arguing about? You've already agreed that just because something is supernatural doesn't mean it cannot be scientifically investigated.William J Murray
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The cosmological argument is a logical argument that works towards a necessary premise regardless of if one defines that premise as “supernatural”, as you seem to have done So God is not supernatural but esp is, interesting choice My question was about science & evidence, not about logical arguments. A logical argument is evidence, if the premises are correctvelikovskys
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Sorry KF, lost my post, will attempt to resurrect tomorrowvelikovskys
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velikovskys said:
It seems mainstream.whole cosmological argument is based on the need for a non contingent cause,therefore God.
The cosmological argument is a logical argument that works towards a necessary premise regardless of if one defines that premise as "supernatural", as you seem to have done. My question was about science & evidence, not about logical arguments. It seems that this is where you have gone off the rail. However, you have already agreed that science can investigate the supernatural, so there's nothing left for us to debate.William J Murray
February 22, 2015
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KF: I suggest to you that the supernatural and the Deity are not necessarily equal. I would contend that one cannot be a non contingent Cause and not be supernatural, sorry at work, will continue later on my own timevelikovskys
February 22, 2015
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Wjm: velikovskys responds to my statement that his definition of “supernatural” is idiosyncratic with: It seems mainstream.whole cosmological argument is based on the need for a non contingent cause,therefore God. Are you unaware that “supernatural” and “god” are not synonymous? Actually that would be "God", I guess not, which non contingent Cause is a contignent cause? Do you think that the cosmological argument is a “mainstream” conceptualization of what “supernatural” means? It is the only one based on logic if that is your question.Do you have another? Are ghosts, mediumship and psychic phenomena intractably linked to the cosmological argument? What is the logical argument that those occur? If none then their existence,if any , is provided by natural world, just because we do not know how something works does not make it supernatural, it makes it unknown. If it is a mainstreawm definition, where did you find it? The cosmological argument is classic apologetics then it follows If A = B and if B = C then A = C Do you disagree that the Creator of all things is supernatural or non contingent ? So your definition of supernatural is non material? That seems problematic.velikovskys
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