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In “Evangelicals Question The Existence Of Adam And Eve” (National Public Radio, August 9, 2011), Barbara Bradley Hagerty translates Christian Darwinism into real world talk:

Asked how likely it is that we all descended from Adam and Eve, Dennis Venema, a biologist at Trinity Western University, replies: “That would be against all the genomic evidence that we’ve assembled over the last 20 years, so not likely at all.”

Venema is a Biologian, that is, a senior fellow at BioLogos Foundation, a group that “tries to reconcile faith and science.” (Which, some say, means “tries to market materialist atheism to gullible Christians, a bit at a time”).

And Venema is part of a growing cadre of Christian scholars who say they want their faith to come into the 21st century. Another one is John Schneider, who taught theology at Calvin College in Michigan until recently. He says it’s time to face facts: There was no historical Adam and Eve, no serpent, no apple, no fall that toppled man from a state of innocence.

They were sure to get round to that, of course. No sin. Always, no sin …

The article assumes something UD News had suspected – that Karl Giberson had to leave Eastern Nazarene because of problems there with his unorthodox views. Never mind, in his own eyes, he’s the new Galileo:

Giberson — who taught physics at Eastern Nazarene College until his views became too uncomfortable in Christian academia — says Protestants who question Adam and Eve are akin to Galileo in the 1600s, who defied Catholic Church doctrine by stating that the earth revolved around the sun and not vice versa.

And when you know that that’s who you are, even if you have never donee anything whatever of importance in science, what other recommendation do you need?

The money quote is from Venema:

But if you read the Bible as poetry and allegory as well as history, you can see God’s hand in nature — and in evolution.

Of course. It then has equal authority with Huckleberry Finn.

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Catholic Theology is, for the lack of a better term, "Christian Darwinism." Be careful who, and how, you denigrate.rhampton7
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Elizabeth, Dr Fazale Rana comments on the genetic bottleneck as relating to Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosomal Adam. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4116168/does_the_genetic_evidence_support_noahs_flood_fazale_rana_phd/Bantay
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Just because one accepts that certain stories in the Bible are allegorical, including Genesis, doesn't necessarily make one a "Christian Darwinist."mike1962
August 17, 2011
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I think he's interpreting it according to its intent. Genesis doesn't contain a disclaimer at the end of the Adam and Eve account: "Well that's the alleged story, and now onto the actual history." When Jesus refers to Adam as an historical person he means it as such. It's not just an Evangelical interpretation but the interpretation of a majority of Christian theologians throughout the history of the church.CannuckianYankee
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I think whatever you make of the designer of the universe by calling Him God or not, it becomes quite clear that this designer has set in place not only the laws that govern the processes found in nature, but the unavoidable logic that He exists. There is no "Escape From Reason" to borrow from Schaeffer. Not everything regarding His account of things, then is meant to be allegorical. Those who attempt to find meaning in an allegorical interpretation of Genesis miss out on exactly the intended meaning that makes the rest of the books that follow in the bible meaningful. All of these things fit together in a coherent whole. Not just the bible, but reason and reality. By allegorizing just one part of the bible you have to turn Jesus himself into a myth, or else make Him a liar. The mistake of these Christian Darwinists is that they state we must face the facts of science; while ignoring it's tentative nature and while further; the true facts we must face are ignored completely.CannuckianYankee
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Why not generalize that and say you hope you're not on the wrong side of the truth, whatever it is. What if Mazda Ahura is the true God? Or Allah? Are you worried about that?mike1962
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You're interpreting it thru literalistic evangelical Christian glasses. Be my guest. Although you may want to read what Origen and Augustine had to say about the matter.mike1962
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I guess the good news (or the bad news) is that we will all find out some day if Jesus is who He claimed to be or not. I personally don't want to be on the wrong side of that call...tgpeeler
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The necessary uncaused first cause of all that begins to exist in the universe, thus resolving the very real issue of an infinite regress of material causes; a conundrum for materialists is merely a "placeholder." Look up the word allegory. Sigh...CannuckianYankee
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It means spontaneous generation. Look up the word "allegory." No you know what, it means a static universe. Look up the word "allegory." No, expanding, expanding! Look up the word "allegory." sigh ok, no expansion. Static. Look up the word "allegory." I mean Lamarck. Look up the word "allegory." Did I say Lamarck? Well, you know me...silly silly silly. I meant Darwin. Look up the word "allegory."oyer
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Did Jesus believe it was an allegory? did Luke? did Paul?suckerspawn
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A camel still can't fit through the eye of a needle.Mung
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"Of course. It then has equal authority with Huckleberry Finn." What is wrong with that? I like Huck Finn. One can derive a teaching from two naked people in a paradise, choosing between two kinds of trees, egged on by a crafty snake, without believing that the story is literal. Look up the word "allegory."mike1962
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Bantay:
I wonder what genomic evidence Dennis Venema has that predates Noah? Hello? Mr. Venema? The different time periods of Y-Chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve…The bottleneck modern science has only recently discovered that fits the biblical (Noahic) narrative perfectly?
What bottleneck has modern science discovered that fits the biblical narrative perfectly?Elizabeth Liddle
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Good grief. So it has come to this new low? I thank God that Biologos doesn't actually represent evangelical Christianity. Oh, and Dennis Venema, you really need to read Ross and Rana's "Who Is Adam?". Dennis Venema, a biologist at Trinity Western University, replies: “That would be against all the genomic evidence that we’ve assembled over the last 20 years, so not likely at all.” I wonder what genomic evidence Dennis Venema has that predates Noah? Hello? Mr. Venema? The different time periods of Y-Chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve...The bottleneck modern science has only recently discovered that fits the biblical (Noahic) narrative perfectly?Bantay
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