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Frequent commenter Orthomoyxo often cites the Imperial College model that touched off the worldwide panic. Now that the author of that model has resigned in disgrace, NR reports on how awful his record truly is. The whole article bears reading. Highlights:

Indeed, Ferguson’s Imperial College model has been proven wildly inaccurate. To cite just one example, it saw Sweden paying a huge price for no lockdown, with 40,000 COVID deaths by May 1, and 100,000 by June. Sweden now has 2,854 deaths and peaked two weeks ago. As Fraser Nelson, editor of Britain’s Spectator, notes: “Imperial College’s model is wrong by an order of magnitude.”

Indeed, Ferguson has been wrong so often that some of his fellow modelers call him “The Master of Disaster.”

Ferguson was behind the disputed research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. He also predicted that up to 150,000 people could die. There were fewer than 200 deaths. Charlotte Reid, a farmer’s neighbor, recalls: “I remember that appalling time. Sheep were left starving in fields near us. Then came the open air slaughter. The poor animals were panic stricken. It was one of the worst things I’ve witnessed. And all based on a model — if’s but’s and maybe’s.”

In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the U.K., there were only 177 deaths from BSE.

In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009.

In 2009, a government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the U.K.

Last March, Ferguson admitted that his Imperial College model of the COVID-19 disease was based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus. Ferguson declined to release his original code so other scientists could check his results. He only released a heavily revised set of code last week, after a six-week delay.

Ready to abandon your boy yet Ortho? I doubt it.

The most powerful part of this article is about how Ferguson got Sweden so terribly wrong. He said Sweden wold pay a huge price for no lockdown, with 40,000 COVID deaths by May 1, and 100,000 by June. Sweden now has 2,854 deaths and peaked two weeks ago.

Why is this important to us? Because Ferguson similarly predicted two million deaths in the US if there were no lockdown. When it is pointed out how wildly inaccurate Ferguson’s predictions were, Ortho always responds “but those were the ‘no lockdown” predictions!” Well, Ortho, his no lockdown predictions were also off by orders of magnitude.

Ferguson will go down in history as the greatest charlatan of all time in terms of money lost. He caused a panic that has cost the world literally trillions of dollars. I can’t think of anyone else who comes close to Ortho’s hero in the competition for “sheer economic destruction caused by one man.”

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Marfin: So who are the worst effected groups by Covid 19, they are the elderly and anyone with a relatively serious underlying health issue, these I would have put under stringent lockdown. Makes sense. What about other people they live with? Now the rest of the population I would have made carry on as normal but under social distancing protocols. Sensible. This lockdown will cost the economy tens of billions of Euro , can you imaging how many cancer, heart,cystic fibrosis , etc patients could have been saved with this money, Yes, it's a real issue. I felt the same way when the UK joined the US in Iraq in the early 2000s. But that's another issue. Anyway, you answered the question, thanks!! I assume anyone who did become ill would also be locked down, presumably in the hospital.JVL
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JVL , Sorry so late in replying to you , but I would have based a response not on models but on what was actually happening. So who are the worst effected groups by Covid 19, they are the elderly and anyone with a relatively serious underlying health issue, these I would have put under stringent lockdown. Now the rest of the population I would have made carry on as normal but under social distancing protocols. I have not missed a days work since the lockdown began I work with 70 other people , and I will not let one of these get withing 2 metres of me for more than a couple of minutes, I wash and sanitise my hands regularly throughout the day , I take responsibility for myself. So if I get infected under these circumstances well we may as well close every company in Ireland and throw away the key as this disease is here with us for a while to come yet, and completely locking down the economy is not a solution its a cop out. Will people die probably yes, can any society function in any normal way and nobody die no. This lockdown will cost the economy tens of billions of Euro , can you imaging how many cancer, heart,cystic fibrosis , etc patients could have been saved with this money, a case in point being a go fund me page for a 2 year old kid to raise 2 million Euros to send him to the USA for treatment to save his life , if we want to save everyone where was the Government when this kid needed them and this case is no exception , any person with a sickness that the government deem the treatment too expensive will never get that treatment , but once again we have just cost the economy tens of billions, by using a sledge hammer to crack an egg.Marfin
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Barry Arrington: Too late to go back in time. The real question is why Ortho wants us to CONTINUE to make decisions based on the debunked model. Not my question to Marfin though. He was decrying using models so I asked what basis he would have made decisions if he were the Taoiseach which is a reasonable question. If you don't like the models then what would you use to make a decision? Over 1,300,000 attributed cases of COVID-19 in the US now, more than one-quarter of those in the world as a whole. Over 78,000 deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the US now, again over a quarter of the total in the whole world. The US now has almost 4,000 cases of COVID-19 per 1 million population; that's more than Italy, the UK, France, Portugal, Sweden, the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Canada, Austria, Turkey, Norway and Russia. Something is going badly wrong. If you don't like the models then how do you decide what to do?JVL
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I think, having claimed I pulled the fact Ferguson didn't model Sweden "out of my ass", you ought to apologize. It's also not true that the Sweden study uses the Imperial model. It's an independent model using the same agent-based approach that Ferguson introduced. But it's an entirely independent implementation with its own parameterisation.
The real question is why Ortho wants us to CONTINUE to make decisions based on the debunked model.
I don't think the model has been "debunked", but when have I said we should use this model to make decisions. Way back when you, in familiar fashion, put too much trust in an ideological news source and misunderstood one of Ferguson's statements I tried to put you right. When you claimed it was outrageous to suggest a high a death count because you were confident fewer than 5000 Americans would die (an estimate that's already well over and order of magnitude wrong)I tried to show how baseless your calculation was. If you can such answer my questions above that would be great.
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JVL, Too late to go back in time. The real question is why Ortho wants us to CONTINUE to make decisions based on the debunked model.Barry Arrington
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Marfin: Not models So, what decisions would you have made differently based on what data?JVL
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Imperial College Model Applied to Sweden Yields Preposterous Results
Although ICL only released scenarios and associated forecasts for the United Kingdom and United States, its model is theoretically adaptable to any country by changing the inputs to reflect its population, demographics, and the date its specific policies took effect.
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JVL- Not models , our Leo Varadkar is not leading he is taking the cowards way out, and following , then he cannot be blamed when the economy collapse`s as he was just taking the advice from the chief medical officer. Leading is taking the brave decision`s it may mean risking lives but you have to consider the good of all and whats best for the country as a whole , you have to risk your reputation your own job , and not just hide behind ,well the models and CMO said ,so dont blame me.Marfin
May 8, 2020
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This strain of COVID was already a known quantity.
As this is its first known transmission to humans, I think it is fair to say that this was not a known quantity.
Being from the same family as COVID-2 tells us what[is] likely to happen and who will be targeted. which are known quantities from SARS.
COVID-19 and SARS have very different presentations and transmissibility than SARS.
Despite what some may thing, loss of human life is important to be classified as a pandemic.
Those "some" would be the people who study transmissible diseases for a living. Loss of life isn't a requirement for classification as an epidemic or pandemic, just geographical spread.Ed George
May 8, 2020
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"Ferguson resigned because it was revealed he had been visited twice by his lover in violation of the lockdown measures he had helped draft. " Ed George, Well, it indicates he doesn't take his own proclamations very seriously. I don't take them very seriously either. Andrewasauber
May 8, 2020
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Ferguson resigned because it was revealed he had been visited twice by his lover in violation of the lockdown measures he had helped draft. To say that this somehow discredits his scientific work is blatant ad hominem.
I agree. If we discredited the work of all scientists who's personal beliefs and behaviours were less than ethical and moral, we wouldn't hav Newton's work.Ed George
May 8, 2020
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Marfin: I view most other models the same way. If you were the Taoiseach and you had to make a call about how do deal with COVID-19 what would you base your decisions on?JVL
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Putting any serious amount of trust in models is unwise but allowing a total economic collapse based on them is nothing short of reckless. I say this because I live in Ireland and both golf and motorcycling are my preferred hobbies ,now both of these are best done in dry weather ,so on Monday I will check the forecast for the following weekend, I will then check on Tuesday, weds, Thursday, Friday. So why do I check so often, well because it changes so often I have seen the forecast for the week end change 3 or 4 times throughout the week, now this is the national weather forecaster website I am checking and these guys know their stuff , but when you put x amount of variables into a computer model you really are just taking an educated guess . So would I go to a book maker and bet my life or life savings on a weather prediction I have read from Met.ie simply put , no way , I view most other models the same way.Marfin
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It is appalling that you pull the “Ferguson didn’t model Sweden” fact out of your ass. What, do you think that NR article just made that up?
Yes. They link to a blogpost by an economist, John H. Cochrane. In it he (a) doesn't mention Ferguson, and (b) uses a model by a couple of economists, who state in their paper We are not epidemiologists, so these results should be interpreted with caution and care. So unless NR has another source which they're not telling us about, yes they did make that up.Bob O'H
May 8, 2020
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Everything that was done was based on projections that could never have happened. This strain of COVID was already a known quantity. Being from the same family as COVID-2 tells us what it likely to happen and who will be targeted. which are known quantities from SARS. A virus from the same family will follow many of the same rules. You cannot take this family of viruses and have the return of the Spanish Flu. The projection were for an epidemic that has not happened. Without more loss of human life, you cannot have a true pandemic. Despite what some may thing, loss of human life is important to be classified as a pandemic.BobRyan
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Ferguson resigned because it was revealed he had been visited twice by his lover in violation of the lockdown measures he had helped draft. To say that this somehow discredits his scientific work is blatant ad hominem. As for the - allegedly - wildly inaccurate predictions of his models, there is a simple question to answer: were the models used to predict what would happen if nothing were done or were they used to predict what would happen if everything possible in the way of mitigation were done? If it was the latter then the criticisms are warranted, if it was the former then the NR reporting is dishonest.Seversky
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That paper is the imperial model, the only set of projections they've run at a national level. Here is every report they've published, of you'd like to confirm: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/covid-19-reports/orthomyxo
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Ortho: "all I’ve tried to do is make the science clear." By continuing to champion debunked models, making up facts, and trying to rehabilitate a disgraced scientist. BTW, you say Ferguson did not model Sweden in this paper you linked, so we can conclude Ferguson never modeled Sweden anywhere else. Good grief.Barry Arrington
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And it is appalling to make up your own “facts,” like you always do, like when you helped yourself to death projections that were 2.4X the upper-bound of the most wildly pessimistic models here.
You know others can read the link, right? 2.4x the upper bound on one model (not the most pessimistic) by teh start of August and with a large number of susceptible people left in teh population at that time. I've asked you previously, but let's do it again. My rough estimate included the idea that 65% of people would be infected. If you are sure that a smaller proportion of people will be infected then please let me know what will stop the virus.
It is appalling that you pull the “Ferguson didn’t model Sweden” fact out of your ass. What, do you think that NR article just made that up.
Here's the paper, where are the predictions for Sweden?: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
It is appalling to continue to push for burning the world’s economy to the ground based on discredited models.
As I've said before, all I've tried to do is make the science clear. What steps countries take will depend on their own values and resources. I do thin it would be helpful if you could let us know how may people you think will die in the US. Let's say most states go into a Sweden-style "social distancing but no lockdown" over the next month. How many deaths would you expect by August in that case?orthomyxo
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Appalling? Let's talk about appalling things. It is appalling when a scientist recklessly causes a worldwide panic. Yep, that's appalling. Ah yes, it is appalling to use the "precautionary principle" to justify any sort of insanity, as I discussed here. And it is appalling to make up your own "facts," like you always do, like when you helped yourself to death projections that were 2.4X the upper-bound of the most wildly pessimistic models here. It is appalling when you jump in to defend a disgraced scientist, still insisting after all the data is in that there was nothing wrong with his outlandish projections. It is appalling that you pull the "Ferguson didn't model Sweden" fact out of your ass. What, do you think that NR article just made that up? It is appalling to continue to push for burning the world's economy to the ground based on discredited models. Ortho, you may be the only person in the world still defending Ferguson. It is becoming clear to me that you are rooting for the economic devastation. Why? Who knows. But it is a wonder that anyone would continue to listing to you.Barry Arrington
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I really don't know why you have to invent motives or back stories for my posts. I don't consider Ferguson a hero, and obviously a prominent government advisor going against the lockdown when a shared purpose is so important is appalling. I don't know much about most of the specific the predictions above, but a lot of them look like taking the worst-case "plan for" estimate if nothing is done in isolation. The bird flu one, for example, is almost certainly (I note none of these are sourced) about what might happen if a bird flu becomes highly transmissible between humans. Something that has not happened. I don't see how the Imperial model could be wrong for Sweden, as it doesn't model Sweden. If you were to run the model now, with what we have learned about the virus, you might use a lower IFR and higher reproductive number. I'm not sure how that would change estimates, but experience in the UK suggests the model was to optimistic (possibly about the disease itself, but maybe only the effectiveness of a lockdown in the UK)orthomyxo
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