“There is no point in keeping grocery stores open if the meat packers are closed due to the virus.” Commenter Ed George
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OK, so Ed was being dishonest when it accused me of quote-mining. Typical, but still pathetic.ET
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“All I am saying is that the ball was dropped at many levels.”
Agreed
Vividvividbleau
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VB
Maybe we should have bought all those N95 masks ( millions)Canada destroyed.?You want to trash the US have at it..
Are you referring to the defective masks that Canada destroyed?
All I am saying is that the ball was dropped at many levels.Ed George
April 28, 2020
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“The question that has to be asked is, if they were allowed to remain open, why didn’t they have PPE and spacing requirements?”
You mean masks that the experts were telling us a few weeks ago that we should not wear?. Maybe we should have bought all those N95 masks ( millions)Canada destroyed.?You want to trash the US have at it..
Maybe these private companies were listening to WHO and the doctor who is not a doctor, or perhaps they believed China. Regardless now that they have been designated an essential industry anddthe defense act invoked it is the Govts job.
Vividvividbleau
April 28, 2020
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VB, thanks. But given that these plants had remained open, they obviously were considered essential. The question that has to be asked is, if they were allowed to remain open, why didn’t they have PPE and spacing requirements?Ed George
April 28, 2020
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EG
There are constitutional issues, laws, etc.
“The president will use his authority under the Defense Production Act to enforce the order, a person familiar with the upcoming order confirmed to Breitbart News. Trump plans to use the Defense Production Act to order the companies to stay open but will also provide protective gear for employees as well as guidance for how to keep their companies safe to operate.“
I think there was liability issues as well under existing US law for the company’s involved.
Vividvividbleau
April 28, 2020
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President Donald Trump on Tuesday will sign an executive order declaring meat processing plants critical infrastructure, he confirmed at the White House on Tuesday.
I’m Canadian so please ignore my ignorance. But in Canada, the entire food chain was considered an essential service, everything from the suppliers of materials to farmers, farmers, food processors and packers, distribution systems and grocery stores, etc. I assumed that the US had a similarly rational and logical approach to the food chain. How does specifically declaring meat processing plants a critical infrastructure help if many of the skilled workers in these facilities, as appears to be the case, are infected?Ed George
April 28, 2020
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Strange that I have made my case whereas Eddie can only repeat its obviously false accusation.
Testing should me mandatory for all front line workers, including those in the food chain. There is no point in keeping grocery stores open if the meat packers are closed due to the virus.
In the first sentence Eddie clearly knows of the food chain. In the second sentence Eddie specifies one part of that food chain as being the sole cause for closing grocery stores. So yes, the first sentence makes it totally clear that Eddie thinks meat packing closures will lead to grocery store closures. If Eddie wanted to say the food chain instead of meat packers he knew it was available. He just used it! But that second sentence definitely specifies meat packers. The first sentence in no way changes the fact that Eddie thinks grocery stores will close if meat packers stop packing and shipping meat.ET
April 28, 2020
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VB@11, no offence taken. I could have been clearer but I think it is obvious that the comment Barry posted implies something completely different than it would if he had included the first sentence I included in that paragraph.
My guess is that he relied on ET’s intentional quote mine rather than going to the original source. Not the best practice, but easily forgivable if the person he pulled the quote from had a history of being honest and fair...but ET?Ed George
April 28, 2020
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President Donald Trump on Tuesday will sign an executive order declaring meat processing plants critical infrastructure, he confirmed at the White House on Tuesday.
Vividvividbleau
April 28, 2020
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This is Ed's full comment. Note that nothing is taken out of context by just repeating that one quote:
KF, what the data shows is, that with a few exceptions, the countries with the most testing per capita are doing better than those with lower levels. But testing without effective follow-up is of little value.
Testing should me mandatory for all front line workers, including those in the food chain. There is no point in keeping grocery stores open if the meat packers are closed due to the virus.
It is the testing that gives you the information necessary to make correct decisions. The more the better. And compared to many of the other COVID tool kit, testing is very cheap.
There isn't any added context that helps Ed out of his stupid quote. Ed was caught being an ignorant ass and now chooses to double-down.ET
April 28, 2020
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I know that Ed George cannot support his claim of quote-mining.ET
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EG re 8
Ed a literal reading seemed to me that you were saying if we can’t get pork we should close the grocery stores which as I said did not make sense. Yes you could have been clearer. However I accept your clarification in 8 is what you meant and that fits in to your original comment.
“ I would think the comment about testing all people in the food chain would have been enough for any reasonable people“
I was trying to be reasonable by telling you it did not make sense, I was not impugning you’re motives, I apologize for any offense that was not my intention..
Vividvividbleau
April 28, 2020
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Barry, we can all read Ed's posts here as the original thread. I suppose you simply missed the context of the quote to start with, and let your adversarialism colour your interpretation.
But doubling down and pretending the quote stands alone just makes you look ridiculous. Not to mention scuttling away like a crab while saying "Barry out"!orthomyxo
April 28, 2020
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And with his comment at 4, Ed completes the trifecta (Darwinian Debating Device #1: Ad Hominem). My work here is done. Go ahead and rage if you like Ed. Barry out.
If your work is to willfully misrepresent what someone says, I agree, your work is done. You can proudly slink away with your tail tucked firmly between your legs.
But it would be nice to see a little honesty from you for a change. Maybe you could answer a simple question. Did you draft this OP from ET’s blatant and willfully deceitful quote mine, or did you decide to do this yourself? Inquiring minds want to know.Ed George
April 28, 2020
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Ed hard to make sense even with the additional sentence. You know they do have bread, milk, eggs ,etc in the grocery store. If there is no meat there are lots of other things.
Would it have been clearer if I had said, “ There is no point in keeping grocery stores open if the meat packers, egg farmers, bakers, canneries, pulp and paper mills, dairies, flour mills, disposable diaper plants, produce farmers, vitamin manufacturers, razor blade manufacturers, shampoo makers, deodorant makers, tinfoil makers, waxed paper makers, Saran Wrap makers, spice distributors, pumpkin pie filling makers, cranberry bottlers, juice manufacturers, moisturizer manufacturers, mixed nut distributors, etc., etc., are closed.
VB, you have always been one of the more reasonable voices here. Are you honestly suggesting that I should have included all sectors that provide goods to grocery stores in my comment? I would think the comment about testing all people in the food chain would have been enough for any reasonable people.Ed George
April 28, 2020
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And with his comment at 4, Ed completes the trifecta (Darwinian Debating Device #1: Ad Hominem). My work here is done. Go ahead and rage if you like Ed. Barry out.Barry Arrington
April 28, 2020
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Ed George,
Sometimes grocery stores even have stuff besides groceries.
You should get out more. It's better for you than spamming virus cheerleading all day. Get some sun.
Andrewasauber
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“Testing should me mandatory for all front line workers, including those in the food chain. There is no point in keeping grocery stores open if the meat packers are closed due to the virus.” Ed George”
Ed hard to make sense even with the additional sentence. You know they do have bread, milk, eggs ,etc in the grocery store. If there is no meat there are lots of other things.
Vividvividbleau
April 28, 2020
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Go ahead, go for the trifecta.
No. I prefer to see how you claim that you didn’t take that sentence out of context. This should be interesting. I have the popcorn ready and all afternoon to kill.
You might be better off admitting that you simply relied on ET’s quote mine, wrongfully assuming that it was complete and in context. At least then you can claim ignorance rather that willful misrepresentation. It might look good as a tag line on your business card when you are handing it out during your daily trips to the emergency room. “Ignorant, but not willfully so.”Ed George
Plumbing New Depths Of Lockdown Stupidity
“There is no point in keeping grocery stores open if the meat packers are closed due to the virus. “Commenter Ed George
I must say, quote mining to remove the comment from its’ context to score a rhetorical point is plumbing the depth of stupidity. Maybe you shout go to the primary source rather than trust that ET is accurately copying and pasting my comments. Your law school professor would roll over in his/her grave.
For those who have the ability to think for themselves, here is the entire paragraph.
”Testing should me mandatory for all front line workers, including those in the food chain. There is no point in keeping grocery stores open if the meat packers are closed due to the virus.” Ed George
By the way, Barry, this is the definition of paragraph.
a distinct section of a piece of writing, usually dealing with a single theme and indicated by a new line, indentation, or numbering.
Ed George
April 28, 2020
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BA,
Ed George is crying for help. Being a virus cheerleader all this time has finally broke him down.
Andrewasauber