Popcorn: New Christian Darwinist film portrays ID guys as in it for “PR or political reasons or … “

I’m sure this will lay up a few more treasures in heaven for you... About that treasure in Heaven thing. What can I spend it on once I get there? IS there like a bank in Heaven where I can deposit it and earn interest? Perhaps if treasure in heaven is something one can lay up in the here and now, it's also something one can make use of in the here and now. Just a thought. Mung

This is typical. They have to debate with motive mongering because they know the scientific substance is not on their side. Unfortunately motive mongering is just a red herring fallacy because it does not address the arguments for ID anyways. Darwinists just cannot get over the fact that some people do question HOW things came to be the way they are, that is the true, and detailed, "origin" of their existence. While evolutionary theory gives some mechanisms and a lot of possible stories about how complex life came to be the way that it is, evolution still cannot make complexity probable or necessary. Hence, the intelligent person has to ask themselves if a purposive intelligence played a role- that is if there was agency involved. For the atheists they don't want this line of thinking even being allowed to be discussed- and if they could help it they wouldn't want anyone even knowing this question exists. Unfortunately it is their absolute rejection of God that clouds their scientific philosophy, and not the believer's faith which only opens the door to considering the possibility of intelligent design. Frost122585

I wonder if any of the people taking part in this video, after finishing up their trash talk, galloped to the feet of Jerry Coyne or Richard Dawkins in hopes of getting patted on the head. "See? See? We're on the same side again, right? Please say I'm not like those dirty ID proponents or YECs! I'm a good boy!" nullasalus

DOG Philosophy, Science, and "Christian" Darwinism

The BioLogos crowd seems to have a hard time critiquing intelligent design without casting aspersions on the character and motives of those with whom they disagree. New Christian Darwinist film portrays ID guys as in it for “PR or political reasons”

This is outright slander, and despicable, immoral misrepresentation. Great Christian testimony, BioLogos crowd. I'm sure this will lay up a few more treasures in heaven for you, except for the fact that you obviously don't believe in such notions, being the confused, effectively functional atheists that you are. I'm not "in it for 'PR or political reasons'". I'm in it because Darwinism is junk pseudoscience, fabricated in the 19th century with complete ignorance about the nature of living systems as the creation story of DOG (Death Of God) philosophy. I'm a former militant atheist like Richard Dawkins, rescued by the Grace of God late in life, in great part because logic and reason led me to conclude that what the BioLogos crowd is selling is nonsense. I am now thoroughly convinced that my Creator endowed me with logic and reason so that I might seek Him and His purpose for my life. It is primarily because of my background in multiple engineering disciplines (software [including artificial intelligence], aerodynamic, mechanical, and more) with a reasonable command of advanced mathematics, that I find the arguments presented by Darwinists and their philosophical colleagues at BioLogos to be utter hogwash. Sorry to state the obvious, "Christian" Darwinists, but you guys have been co-opted and deluded by atheistic materialism. I understand why the "Christian" Darwinist is the way he is. If he were to defend the notion that God designed and created life and humanity for a purpose, he would be immediately excommunicated from the Church of Darwin. Apparently, the Christian Darwinist fears such excommunication more than being vomited out of the mouth of Christ*. *Those with a rudimentary familiarity with Scripture will recognize this reference. GilDodgen

The video is interesting for the fact that it has nothing of substance to say. Alexander's theological piece says what most ID proponents would agree 100% with, except that Alexander says we wouldn't agree with him. God's creative supervision over the entire creation; past present and future; has nothing to say about whether some things in the creation display peculiar properties indicating intelligent agency. There is no theological problem for ID proponents in combinational theological approaches. General Revelation and Special Revelation are examples of this approach. The theologian who says ID accuses God of being unloving is silly. Any omnipotent and omniscient God can be accused of being unloving. Both ID or TE's have to respond to this accusation. CS Lewis knew this. idnet.com.au

Well, I saw a bunch of them the other day and I can sure tell you that from looking at that lot they aren't in it for the money. Mung

lastyearon:

Says the person who accuses “Darwinists” of trying to censor Intelligent Design because of a hidden atheist agenda.

Materialistic/ reductionist agenda and it isn't hidden. Just sayin'... Joseph

With Christians like that, who needs enemaies? Joseph

The BioLogos crowd seems to have a hard time critiquing intelligent design without casting aspersions on the character and motives of those with whom they disagree.

Says the person who accuses "Darwinists" of trying to censor Intelligent Design because of a hidden atheist agenda. lastyearon