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Update:  When I saw the quote originally posted here, I researched it and found an attribution to a source.  (The Birth Control Review of 1933-34).  It turns out that attribution was mistaken.  For posting an inaccurate quotation I apologize.  That said, the general views expressed in the quotation were in fact held by Margaret Sanger.  I replace the original post with this from Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”:

 

Margaret Sanger, whose American Birth Control League became Planned Parenthood, was the founding mother of the birth-control movement. She is today considered a liberal saint, a founder of modern feminism, and one of the leading lights of the Progressive pantheon. Gloria Feldt of Planned Parenthood proclaims, “I stand by Margaret Sanger’s side,” leading “the organization that carries on Sanger’s legacy.” Planned Parenthood’s first black president, Faye Wattleton — Ms. magazine’s “Woman of the Year” in 1989 — said that she was “proud” to be “walking in the footsteps of Margaret Sanger.” Planned Parenthood gives out annual Maggie Awards to individuals and organizations who advance Sanger’s cause. Recipients are a Who’s Who of liberal icons, from the novelist John Irving to the producers of NBC’s West Wing. What Sanger’s liberal admirers are eager to downplay is that she was a thoroughgoing racist who subscribed completely to the views of E. A. Ross and other “raceologists.” Indeed, she made many of them seem tame.

Sanger was born into a poor family of eleven children in Corning, New York, in 1879. In 1902 she received her degree as a registered nurse. In 1911 she moved to New York City, where she fell in with the transatlantic bohemian avant-garde of the burgeoning fascist moment. “Our living-room,” she wrote in her autobiography, “became a gathering place where liberals, anarchists, Socialists and I.W.W.’s could meet.” A member of the Women’s Committee of the New York Socialist Party, she participated in all the usual protests and demonstrations. In 1912 she started writing what amounted to a sex-advice column for the New York Call, dubbed “What Every Girl Should Know.” The overriding theme of her columns was the importance of contraception.

A disciple of the anarchist Emma Goldman — another eugenicist — Sanger became the nation’s first “birth control martyr” when she was arrested for handing out condoms in 1917. In order to escape a subsequent arrest for violating obscenity laws, she went to England, where she fell under the thrall of Havelock Ellis, a sex theorist and ardent advocate of forced sterilization. She also had an affair with H. G. Wells, the self-avowed champion of “liberal fascism.” Her marriage fell apart early, and one of her children — whom she admitted to neglecting — died of pneumonia at age four. Indeed, she always acknowledged that she wasn’t right for family life, admitting she was not a “fit person for love or home or children or anything which needs attention or consideration.”

Under the banner of “reproductive freedom,” Sanger subscribed to nearly all of the eugenic views discussed above. She sought to ban reproduction of the unfit and regulate reproduction for everybody else. She scoffed at the soft approach of the “positive” eugenicists, deriding it as mere “cradle competition” between the fit and the unfit. “More children from the fit, less from the unfit — that is the chief issue of birth control,” she frankly wrote in her 1922 book The Pivot of Civilization. (The book featured an introduction by Wells, in which he proclaimed, “We want fewer and better children…and we cannot make the social life and the world-peace we are determined to make, with the ill-bred, ill-trained swarms of inferior citizens that you inflict on us.” Two civilizations were at war: that of progress and that which sought a world “swamped by an indiscriminate torrent of progeny.”

A fair-minded person cannot read Sanger’s books, articles, and pamphlets today without finding similarities not only to Nazi eugenics but to the dark dystopias of the feminist imagination found in such allegories as Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid’s Tale. As editor of The Birth Control Review, Sanger regularly published the sort of hard racists we normally associate with Goebbels or Himmler. Indeed, after she resigned as editor, The Birth Control Review ran articles by people who worked for Goebbels and Himmler. For example, when the Nazi eugenics program was first getting wide attention, The Birth Control Review was quick to cast the Nazis in a positive light, giving over its pages for an article titled “Eugenic Sterilization: An Urgent Need,” by Ernst Rüdin, Hitler’s director of sterilization and a founder of the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene. In 1926 Sanger proudly gave a speech to a KKK rally in Silver Lake, New Jersey.

One of Sanger’s closest friends and influential colleagues was the white supremacist Lothrop Stoddard, author of The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy. In the book he offered his solution for the threat posed by the darker races: “Just as we isolate bacterial invasions, and starve out the bacteria, by limiting the area and amount of their food supply, so we can compel an inferior race to remain in its native habitat.” When the book came out, Sanger was sufficiently impressed to invite him to join the board of directors of the American Birth Control League.

Sanger’s genius was to advance Ross’s campaign for social control by hitching the racist-eugenic campaign to sexual pleasure and female liberation. In her “Code to Stop Overproduction of Children,” published in 1934, she decreed that “no woman shall have a legal right to bear a child without a permit…no permit shall be valid for more than one child.”47 But Sanger couched this fascistic agenda in the argument that “liberated” women wouldn’t mind such measures because they don’t really want large families in the first place. In a trope that would be echoed by later feminists such as Betty Friedan, she argued that motherhood itself was a socially imposed constraint on the liberty of women. It was a form of what Marxists called false consciousness to want a large family.

Sanger believed — prophetically enough — that if women conceived of sex as first and foremost a pleasurable experience rather than a procreative act, they would embrace birth control as a necessary tool for their own personal gratification. She brilliantly used the language of liberation to convince women they weren’t going along with a collectivist scheme but were in fact “speaking truth to power,” as it were. This was the identical trick the Nazis pulled off. They took a radical Nietzschean doctrine of individual will and made it into a trendy dogma of middle-class conformity. This trick remains the core of much faddish “individualism” among rebellious conformists on the American cultural left today. Nonetheless, Sanger’s analysis was surely correct, and led directly to the widespread feminist association of sex with political rebellion. Sanger in effect “bought off” women (and grateful men) by offering tolerance for promiscuity in return for compliance with her eugenic schemes.

In 1939 Sanger created the above-mentioned “Negro Project,” which aimed to get blacks to adopt birth control. Through the Birth Control Federation, she hired black ministers (including the Reverend Adam Clayton Powell Sr.), doctors, and other leaders to help pare down the supposedly surplus black population. The project’s racist intent is beyond doubt. “The mass of significant Negroes,” read the project’s report, “still breed carelessly and disastrously, with the result that the increase among Negroes…is [in] that portion of the population least intelligent and fit.” Sanger’s intent is shocking today, but she recognized its extreme radicalism even then. “We do not want word to go out,” she wrote to a colleague, “that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

It is possible that Sanger didn’t really want to “exterminate” the Negro population so much as merely limit its growth. Still, many in the black community saw it that way and remained rightly suspicious of the Progressives’ motives. It wasn’t difficult to see that middle-class whites who consistently spoke of “race suicide” at the hands of dark, subhuman savages might not have the best interests of blacks in mind. This skepticism persisted within the black community for decades. Someone who saw the relationship between abortion and race from a less trusting perspective telegrammed Congress in 1977 to tell them that abortion amounted to “genocide against the black race.” And he added, in block letters, “AS A MATTER OF CONSCIENCE I MUST OPPOSE THE USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS FOR A POLICY OF KILLING INFANTS.” This was Jesse Jackson, who changed his position when he decided to seek the Democratic nomination.

Just a few years ago, the racial eugenic “bonus” of abortion rights was something one could only admit among those fully committed to the cause, and even then in politically correct whispers. No more. Increasingly, this argument is acceptable on the left, as are arguments in favor of eugenics generally.

In 2005 the acclaimed University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt broke the taboo with his critical and commercial hit Freakonomics (co-written with Stephen Dubner). The most sensational chapter in the book updated a paper Levitt had written in 1999 which argued that abortion cuts crime. “Legalized abortion led to less unwantedness; unwantedness leads to high crime; legalized abortion, therefore, led to less crime.” Freakonomics excised all references to race and never connected the facts that because the aborted fetuses were disproportionately black and blacks disproportionately contribute to the crime rate, reducing the size of the black population reduces crime. Yet the press coverage acknowledged this and didn’t seem to mind.

In 2005 William Bennett, a committed pro-lifer, invoked the Levitt argument in order to denounce eugenic thinking. “I do know that it’s true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could — if that were your sole purpose — you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.” What seemed to offend liberals most was that Bennett had accidentally borrowed some conventional liberal logic to make a conservative point, and, as with the social Darwinists of yore, that makes liberals quite cross. According to the New York Times’s Bob Herbert, Bennett believed “exterminating blacks would be a most effective crime-fighting tool.” Various liberal spokesmen, including Terry McAuliffe, the former head of the Democratic National Committee, said Bennett wanted to exterminate “black babies.” Juan Williams proclaimed that Bennett’s remarks speak “to a deeply racist mindset.”

In one sense, this is a pretty amazing turnaround. After all, when liberals advocate them, we are usually told that abortions do not kill “babies.” Rather, they remove mere agglomerations of cells and tissue or “uterine contents.” If hypothetical abortions committed for allegedly conservative ends are infanticide, how can actual abortions performed for liberal ends not be?

Some liberals are honest about this. In 1992 Nicholas Von Hoffman argued in the Philadelphia Inquirer:

Free cheap abortion is a policy of social defense. To save ourselves from being murdered in our beds and raped on the streets, we should do everything possible to encourage pregnant women who don’t want the baby and will not take care of it to get rid of the thing before it turns into a monster… At their demonstration, the anti-abortionists parade around with pictures of dead and dismembered fetuses. The pro-abortionists should meet these displays with some of their own: pictures of the victims of the unaborted — murder victims, rape victims, mutilation victims — pictures to remind us that the fight for abortion is but part of the larger struggle for safe homes and safe streets.

Later that same year, the White House received a letter from the Roe v. Wade co-counsel Ron Weddington, urging the new president-elect to rush RU-486 — the morning-after pill — to the market as quickly as possible. Weddington’s argument was refreshingly honest:

[Y]ou can start immediately to eliminate the barely educated, unhealthy and poor segment of our country. No, I’m not advocating some sort of mass extinction of these unfortunate people. Crime, drugs and disease are already doing that. The problem is that their numbers are not only replaced but increased by the birth of millions of babies to people who can’t afford to have babies. There, I’ve said it. It’s what we all know is true, but we only whisper it, because as liberals who believe in individual rights, we view any program which might treat the disadvantaged as discriminatory, mean-spirited and… well… so Republican.

[G]overnment is also going to have to provide vasectomies, tubal ligations and abortions. . , . There have been about 30 million abortions in this country since Roe v. Wade. Think of all the poverty, crime and misery . . . and then add 30 million unwanted babies to the scenario. We lost a lot of ground during the Reagan-Bush religious orgy. We don’t have a lot of time left.

How, exactly, is this substantively different from Margaret Sanger’s self-described “religion of birth control,” which would, she wrote, “ease the financial load of caring for with public funds . . . children destined to become a burden to themselves, to their family, and ultimately to the nation”?

The issue here is not the explicit intent of liberals or the rationalizations they invoke to deceive themselves about the nature of abortion. Rather, it is to illustrate that even when motives and arguments change, the substance of the policy remains in its effects. After the Holocaust discredited eugenics per se, neither the eugenicists nor their ideas disappeared. Rather, they went to ground in fields like family planning and demography and in political movements such as feminism. Indeed, in a certain sense Planned Parenthood is today more eugenic than Sanger intended. Sanger, after all, despised abortion. She denounced it as “barbaric” and called abortionists “bloodsucking men with M.D. after their names.” Abortion resulted in “an outrageous slaughter” and “the killing of babies,” which even the degenerate offspring of the unfit did not deserve.

So forget about intent: Look at results. Abortion ends more black lives than heart disease, cancer, accidents, AIDS, and violent crime combined. African Americans constitute little more than 12 percent of the population but have more than a third (37 percent) of abortions. That rate has held relatively constant, though in some regions the numbers are much starker; in Mississippi, black women receive some 72 percent of all abortions, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Nationwide, 512 out of every 1,000 black pregnancies end in an abortion. Revealingly enough, roughly 80 percent of Planned Parenthood’s abortion centers are in or near minority communities. Liberalism today condemns a Bill Bennett who speculates about the effects of killing unborn black children; but it also celebrates the actual killing of unborn black children, and condemns him for opposing it.

Of course, orthodox eugenics also aimed at the “feebleminded” and “useless bread gobblers” — which included everyone from the mentally retarded to an uneducated and malnourished underclass to recidivist criminals. When it comes to today’s “feebleminded,” influential voices on the left now advocate the killing of “defectives” at the beginning of life and at the end of life. Chief among them is Peter Singer, widely hailed as the most important living philosopher and the world’s leading ethicist. Professor Singer, who teaches at Princeton, argues that unwanted or disabled babies should be killed in the name of “compassion.” He also argues that the elderly and other drags on society should be put down when their lives are no longer worth living.

Singer doesn’t hide behind code words and euphemisms in his belief that killing babies isn’t always wrong, as one can deduce from his essay titled “Killing Babies Isn’t Always Wrong” (nor is he a lone voice in the wilderness; his views are popular or respected in many academic circles). But that hasn’t caused the Left to ostracize him in the slightest (save in Germany, where people still have a visceral sense of where such logic takes you). Of course, not all or even most liberals agree with Singer’s prescriptions, but nor do they condemn him as they do, say, a William Bennett. Perhaps they recognize in him a kindred spirit.

 

 

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This is slander
What on Earth are you on about now, G. I commended Barry for correcting and apologising, though I don't commend him for quoting Jonah Goldberg's character assassination of the brave pioneer that Sanger was.Alan Fox
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I can see that eliminating families would eliminate social pathologies in those families. So eugenics starts with Plato, then?
Oh, no. It was a Spartan practice for quite a while before Plato wrote Republic. And I would surmise that infanticide was practiced for hundreds of thousands of years before that, in many cultures. What's historically novel is the Christian idea that each and every individual human life is of infinite value, and even that idea took a long time to come into its modern form.Kantian Naturalist
April 16, 2013
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AF: This is slander, speaking falsely in disregard to duties of care to the truth and fairness, given the above thread:
Apologies to Box in overlooking you as the only pro-ID commenter willing to express disquiet.
I put it to you that if you are willing to do such, then your declared concerns about what is evidently an innocent error that on being checked behind the scenes was admitted and withdrawn, and which it has been indicated step by step across the day [as that process proceeded], the progress of that background checking so that it was identified as uncertain then likely in error then accepted as in error are a front for something else. Especially, when such a misrepresentation is multiplied by your evasiveness and unwillingness to face a much more serious underlying issue; which is the true problem that the cite was in error about. KFkairosfocus
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Still playing at evasions and side-steps? You are plainly failing to read the letter in its wider context [which inter alia is reflected in Ms Sanger's writings as cited (with much more there to be drawn on) . . . think about what in such a mindset is cued up by speaking of "ignorance" and "superstitons" of a population widely perceived as inferior and showing signs of being a more primitive and inferior race -- are you really thinking about what you are implying?], of the impact of eugenics, a dominant system of thought in the name of “science.”
I think your own prejudices are distorting your view of history.Alan Fox
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Only by completely destroying the family would be possible to eliminate all social pathologies. I believe that on this point Plato displays tremendous insight.
I can see that eliminating families would eliminate social pathologies in those families. So eugenics starts with Plato, then? BTW, I was browsing Sanger's writings on the archive and came across a passage referring to Plato and infant exposure. Sorry that I did not check for evidence.Alan Fox
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AF: Still playing at evasions and side-steps? You are plainly failing to read the letter in its wider context [which inter alia is reflected in Ms Sanger's writings as cited (with much more there to be drawn on) . . . think about what in such a mindset is cued up by speaking of "ignorance" and "superstitons" of a population widely perceived as inferior and showing signs of being a more primitive and inferior race -- are you really thinking about what you are implying?], of the impact of eugenics, a dominant system of thought in the name of "science." KFkairosfocus
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BA: Okay, I see you have not been able to find a root source, which is consistent with my findings and evidently those of others. The underlying concern regarding the rise and prominence of eugenics and linked ills, including with Ms Sanger -- gotchas and dismissals notwithstanding, still obtains and is in fact a far more serious -- and evidently unacknowledged -- problem. Let us hope that there will be a willingness to face and deal with that problem and its lingering legacies down to today. KFkairosfocus
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Weren’t Plato and other Greek philosophers in favour of infanticide for sickly and “deformed” new-borns?
I don't believe so. The Spartans practiced selective infanticide, but it wasn't an Athenian practice, so far as I know -- and Socrates and Plato were Athenian citizens. (Aristotle wasn't technically an Athenian citizen, though he lived and taught in Athens for most of his life.) However, Plato does explicitly commend selective abortion amongst the guardians of the ideal city in Republic. So there, the big question would be, how seriously is the ideal city supposed to be taken? On my reading, I think that we should take Plato at his word when he introduces the ideal city as an analogy or model for the ideal soul, so as a rough guide-line, we should interpret Republic as a psychological theory rather than as a political theory as much as possible, even when Plato touches on what might be called "political psychology" -- how different kinds of political organization are correlated with different kinds of psychological organization, e.g. when he describes how chaotic and disorganized is the soul of the democratic citizen. (Plato's political theory, in his Laws, is very different from what's in Republic -- and Republic fits in nicely with the concern in moral and political psychology in Symposium, likely written around the same time, if it's read as an analogy for the mind rather than as a straight-up political treatise.) There's another reading of Republic, which I also like, according to which Plato is basically setting up one huge reductio ad absurdum, of the sort, "if we really wanted to eliminate all social strife, completely and permanently, here are all the things we'd have to do" -- culminating, in Book 9 (I think) with the suggestion that one would have to completely destroy the family by taking all children away from their parents and beginning a new city with just the children and the philosophers, entirely from scratch. Only by completely destroying the family would be possible to eliminate all social pathologies. I believe that on this point Plato displays tremendous insight.Kantian Naturalist
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pdf of the original letter (H/T Freddie) from which KF gets his "We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Read in context, the quote becomes less scary!Alan Fox
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Sanger believed — prophetically enough — that if women conceived of sex as first and foremost a pleasurable experience rather than a procreative act, they would embrace birth control as a necessary tool for their own personal gratification.
Ok wait- MEN conceive of sex as first and foremost a pleasurable experience rather than a procreative act. Unless of course your last name is "Duggar". That seems to be the entire issue- very few people seem to conceive of sex as first and foremost a procreative act. Just sayin'...Joe
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...if Plato and many others are wrong to be concerned on the issues just cited,.../blockquote> Weren't Plato and other Greek philosophers in favour of infanticide for sickly and "deformed" new-borns?Alan Fox
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Apologies to Box in overlooking you as the only pro-ID commenter willing to express disquiet.Alan Fox
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LT: You know that is the statement of an individual commenter, where there was already more than enough response above. The gotcha games continue. KFkairosfocus
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For posting an inaccurate quotation I apologize.
I commend Barry for being man enough to admit error. Pity he couldn't leave it at that.Alan Fox
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Box, I am sure that a check is going on behind the scenes. I am expressing my own opinion as at present, that the particular cite is probably not a true record of something said in so many words. Howbeit, while there is all of this back forth on that, the truth is it can be abundantly documented that there is a problem of eugenics and linked themes and issues with Ms Sanger and her movement along with a great many of the influential elites across the world. Up tot he 60's and 70's there were traces of the problem and I have seen people today with lingering traces. One example is the 11+ exam based on Sir Cyril Burt's education research questionable praxis that alleged to show that IQ was predominantly genetic and that post primary schooling should separate cream from dross. KFkairosfocus
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AF: You are being evasive, of a case where I have used reasonable styles of citation, with specific page references in particular documents. You are finding ways of evading addressing the plain facts and context there for all to see. KFkairosfocus
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Box, I did not say that Theists don’t have to cite atheists correctly, I only want to know what objective moral basis in atheism invokes such moral outrage from atheists. It is a simple question actually! ,,, I just find it very strange that on a abortion thread, no less, atheists, ignoring the deaths of 50 million unborn babies in America, would have such a moral fit over something that is, relatively speaking, far less horrendous than 50 million abortions.
Abortion compared to other causes of death in America http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/320367_518460354831147_1835572116_n.jpg When factoring grandchildren missing due to abortion since Roe vs. Wade in 1973, the number escalates dramatically: Abortion Has Destroyed 117 Million People in the United States http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/06/abortion-has-destroyed-117-million-people-in-the-unit Early Christian Opposition to Infanticide Excerpt: "Infanticide was common in all well studied ancient cultures, including those of ancient Greece, Rome, India, China, and Japan."(It even led to the collapse of some ancient cultures),,, From its earliest creeds, Christians "absolutely prohibited" infanticide as "murder." Stark, op. cit., page 124. To Christians, the infant had value. Whereas pagans placed no value on infant life, Christians treated them as human beings. They viewed infanticide as the murder of a human being, not a convenient tool to rid society of excess females and perceived weaklings. The baby, whether male, female, perfect, or imperfect, was created in the image of God and therefore had value. http://christiancadre.org/member_contrib/cp_infanticide.html Why America might pull through the demographic collapse Excerpt: From antiquity, he notes, a symptom of a civilization’s decline has been the destruction of children: Macedonian poet Poseidippus of Pella wrote: “Even a rich man always exposes a daughter.” A 200 BCE survey of seventy-nine families in Miletus, an ancient Greek colony on the Western Turkish coast, show a combined total of 188 sons but only 28 daughters. One Greek author, Polybius, suggested as a last resort “passing laws for the preservation of infants.” But most Greek colonies were finished already. http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/why_america_might_pull_through_the_demographic_collapse If You Thought Religion was a Bad Idea...Check Out Atheism - Kirk Durston - June, 2012 Excerpt: To summarize why purely atheistic societies are so dangerous, they not only killed for the cause of advancing a purely atheistic society, but their moral guardrail has no grounds. Thus, extraordinary democide can result, because a portable, hand carried moral guardrail is no guardrail at all. http://powertochange.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Religion-and-Atheism-Kills-2012.pdf
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What is your point Bornagain77? Theists don't have to cite atheists correctly, because atheists have no metaphysical right to object??Box
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So my question still stands Mr. Fox,,
exactly what atheistic/agnostic moral precept was broken to invoke such moral outrage from you?
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Alan Fox,
Thanks to Phil for fulfilling KN’s prophecy!
Mr. Fox, KN did not have a prophecy. He merely stated the obvious facts as they are. Did he provide a moral basis from naturalism? No! It is impossible to do so because appealing to material/natural basis for morality is absurd. For instance, a rock, or any other material object, could care less if you bash another person's head in with it! Only in the fantasy land of atheistic Darwinism is this obvious point of morality so hotly contested. Yet, in irony of ironies, Darwinists, despite having no discernible moral basis for deriving an objective moral basis, are among the most blatantly moral people in the world when it comes to condemning other people's moral behavior when it contradicts their own subjective morality they personally choose to adhere to. For instance,,,
Christopher Hitchens on Mother Teresa (2006) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZiKAeJ9mAU
Or,,
Richard Dawkins Approves Infanticide, not William Lane Craig! (mirror: drcraigvideos) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmodkyJvhFo
As to what a 'fulfilled prophecy' actually is Mr. Fox, that would be something like this:
The time span from the rebirth of Israel as a nation in 1948 to the 6 Day War in 1967 is 19 years. The time from the loss of independence in 606 B.C. to the time of the loss of Jerusalem in 587 B.C. was also 19 years. Was the recapture of Jerusalem in 1967 also prophesied? (Short Answer,, Yes!) http://xwalk.ca/y3nf.html Restoration Of Israel and Jerusalem In Prophecy (Doing The Math) - Chuck Missler - video http://www.metacafe.com/w/8598581 SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT Excerpt "In late years several cuneiform tablets have been discovered pertaining to the fall of Babylon which peg both Biblical and secular historic dates. The one tablet known as the "Nabunaid Chronicle" gives the date for the fall of Babylon which specialists have ascertained as being October 12-13, 539 B.C., Julian Calendar, or October 6-7, 539 B.C., according to our present Gregorian Calendar. This tablet also says that Cyrus made his triumphant entry into Babylon 16 days after its fall to his army. Thus his accession year commenced in October, 539 B.C. However, in another cuneiform tablet called "Strassmaier, Cyrus No. 11" Cyrus’ first regnal year is mentioned and was determined to have begun March 17-18, 538 B.C., and to have concluded March 4-5, 537 B.C. It was in this first regnal year of Cyrus that he issued his decree to permit the Jews to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. (Ezra 1:1) The decree may have been made in late 538 B.C. or before March 4-5, 537 B.C. In either case this would have given sufficient time for the large party of 49,897 Jews to organize their expedition and to make their long four-month journey from Babylon to Jerusalem to get there by September 29-30, 537 B.C., the first of the seventh Jewish month, to build their altar to Jehovah as recorded at Ezra 3:1-3. Inasmuch as September 29-30, 537 B.C., officially ends the seventy years of desolation as recorded at 2 Chronicles 36:20, 21, so the beginning of the desolation of the land must have officially begun to be counted after September 21-22, 607 B.C., the first of the seventh Jewish month in 607 B.C., which is the beginning point for the counting of the 2,520 years." http://onlytruegod.org/jwstrs/537vs539.htm
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Kairosfocus #59:
(...) I must again underscore, that I do not endorse the cite in the OP as specifically correct and documented. It is likely not to be a correct cite, at this time. An error, to be corrected if a proper citation cannot be found.
Rectification would be up to the required standard of this excellent web site!Box
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Very interesting--and telling--thread. Alan, thanks for all you are doing here. Just want to quote from comment 14:
by the way martin luther was the greatest man in human history, changing mankind for the better, and any comments on his nations issues with Jews is fair and square. If a little rough well everyone was rough and tough back then.
Posted without comment.LarTanner
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AF: You are joking, I have used more than adequate citation marks
KF I was specifically referring to comment 56. Why do you not use blockquotes if you are quoting Sanger and why not include citations. The primary sources are available.Alan Fox
April 16, 2013
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Is it false, Alan? Good luck proving that. How about these:
“The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.” Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)
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On blacks, immigrants and indigents: “…human weeds,’ ‘reckless breeders,’ ‘spawning… human beings who never should have been born.” Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
The book "Women and the New Race" is in the archive but I can't see your alleged quote there. As for your second alleged quote, I am sure it is a compilation, rather like cutting words out of the paper to make a ransom note.Alan Fox
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AF: You are joking, I have used more than adequate citation marks >> CITE >> as well as "CITE" and given page references to a specific linked document. You can easily link and read at the page references. I have alluded to other documents up to and including Darwin's Descent of man. I have earlier specifically cited an infamous US Supreme Court Justice's ruling, on three generations of imbeciles. Your remark is out of order. KFkairosfocus
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F/N 2: Given the likely rhetorical games at TSZ and elsewhere, I must again underscore, that I do not endorse the cite in the OP as specifically correct and documented. It is likely not to be a correct cite, at this time. An error, to be corrected if a proper citation cannot be found. However, at the same time, it is plain and easily documented, that the underlying issues raised in the statement, are far too close to the truth for comfort. The educated elites of our world, in the name of science, were caught up in a tidal wave of eugenics thinking and related notions. They thought it was scientific, they were grievously wrong, and it led to horrific consequences and to long delays in correcting such wrongs. I have therefore said and to this day maintain, that there is well grounded reason to be concerned about the eugenics influences, the underlying social darwinism, and other themes that rode the tidal wave of the rise of darwinism from 1858 - 9 on. That can be massively documented, and far and wide from country after country, influential person after influential person. Including, Ms Sanger. AF's snide suggestion that to point this out is a "smear" is a turnabout false accusation, which is a very serious thing indeed. And yet, he is dancing wrong but strong. Let me ask, is there a post over at TSZ where there is a serious attempt to correct him? Any more than there was a serious attempt to correct OM's snide insinuation by invidious association that I am like a Nazi, or RH's attempt to compare me to the Taliban? Or, was there a post that indulged enabling behaviour, pretending not to understand what I was complaining of? Obviously, the latter. TSZ, pull up your socks, man! Now, in the case of Ms Sanger, there is adequate evidence to warrant that she was involved in eugenics thinking and was a eugenics activist, with the onward implication of the views targetting the perceived native and immigrant inferiors, not just the hagiographic portrait of a heroic pioneer in the liberation of women by helping them free themselves of the burden of over many unwanted children. There have always been such problems and it is legitimate to be concerned. [My Mom, for instance worked with public health education in Jamaica for many years and was involved in reasonable birth control approaches and education, indeed she authored one of the most successful pamphlets used for such -- a comic book. But there was no eugenics in that book or in her work. None. Full stop.] But the resort to eugenics is not a good answer to a real problem, and the ghosts of 53 million unborn children just in the USA from the past 40 years, cry out for justice. The global numbers I have seen are so shocking that I cannot believe them yet. My main concern is thus the far broader one of origins science in society and the various forms of social darwinism, associated eugenics and the wider issue of ideological evolutionary materialism dressed up in the lab coat that undermines the worldview foundations of reasoning, rationality, objective knowledge and morality. In particular, I have long highlighted the concerns raised by Plato in The Laws Bk X. Let me cite his warning, yet again:
Ath. . . . [[The avant garde philosophers and poets, c. 360 BC] say that . . . The elements are severally moved by chance and some inherent force according to certain affinities among them-of hot with cold, or of dry with moist, or of soft with hard, and according to all the other accidental admixtures of opposites which have been formed by necessity. After this fashion and in this manner the whole heaven has been created, and all that is in the heaven, as well as animals and all plants, and all the seasons come from these elements, not by the action of mind, as they say, or of any God, or from art, but as I was saying, by nature and chance only. [[In short, evolutionary materialism premised on chance plus necessity acting without intelligent guidance on primordial matter is hardly a new or a primarily "scientific" view! Notice also, the trichotomy of causal factors: (a) chance/accident, (b) mechanical necessity of nature, (c) art or intelligent design and direction.] . . . . [[Thus, they hold that t]he Gods exist not by nature, but by art, and by the laws of states, which are different in different places, according to the agreement of those who make them; and that the honourable is one thing by nature and another thing by law, and that the principles of justice have no existence at all in nature, but that mankind are always disputing about them and altering them; and that the alterations which are made by art and by law have no basis in nature, but are of authority for the moment and at the time at which they are made.- [[Relativism, too, is not new; complete with its radical amorality rooted in a worldview that has no foundational IS that can ground OUGHT.] These, my friends, are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers, which find a way into the minds of youth. They are told by them that the highest right is might [[ Evolutionary materialism leads to the promotion of amorality], and in this way the young fall into impieties, under the idea that the Gods are not such as the law bids them imagine; and hence arise factions [[Evolutionary materialism-motivated amorality "naturally" leads to continual contentions and power struggles], these philosophers inviting them to lead a true life according to nature, that is, to live in real dominion over others [[such amoral factions, if they gain power, "naturally" tend towards ruthless tyranny], and not in legal subjection to them.
Can we not at least take the concern seriously and seek to address it fair and square? if Plato and many others are wrong to be concerned on the issues just cited, why, and what is the better answer, on what grounds? Do, let us know. I find, as fair comment, that too many are in denial and/or are being willfully blind and benumbed to a serious sobering issue that frankly threatens our civilisation. That is what we need to address, and whatever errors BA may have raised in failing to fully check up on the cite, which as of now does not seem to have a specific primary source, we should not allow a tempest in a teacup to distract us from what is primary. Let's take the cite as incorrect as to the precise wording and lacking in source. Would that make a dime's worth of difference tothe concerns on the intertwining of ms Sanger's movement with Eugenics and the like, or to the later rise of mass abortion as a major means of "birth control" or to the current Gosnell abortionist homicide case and the suspicious silence of the major media outlets for too long, or to the implications of a culture of blood-guilt, or to the issue of the undermining of reason, objectivity of knowledge, morality and the grounds of rights starting with the right to life connected to the rise of evolutionary materialism dressed up in the holy lab coat???? If that is what is in the stakes then why the over-wrought rhetoric on a relatively minor error, when something is massively wrong with our civilisation all around us? Something is wrong, deeply and troublingly wrong and needs to be faced. Now, before it is too late. KFkairosfocus
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Thanks to Phil for fulfilling KN's prophecy! :)Alan Fox
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Dr Liddle has posted a link to an archive of Margaret Sanger's writings. This should provide quote-miners with plenty of stuff to quote out of context without having to make anything up. PS at Kairosfocus. It is not clear which bits of your latest comment purport to have been written or spoken by Margaret Sanger. Can you not use blockquotes or cites? And the OP quote is still false.Alan Fox
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F/N (attn AF et al who wish to accuse me of merely "smearing"): I here cite from the BCR, October 1926, when we have been assured Ms Sanger had editorial control of what was her advocacy publication bearing a title usually used with Journals: 1] P. 2: Margaret Sanger, >>President>> 2] P. 3, "Some reasons for Birth Control" >> BIOLOGICAL (I The unfit are increasing rapidly and their care and the protection of the public from them are costing the states one-third of their income The outlook for civilization is bad if it continues to breed from its worst stock>> --> Given the general context, that is pregnant with sobering meaning. --> And even the word "stock" and the term "breed" have a significant colouring here; the context is, that we are like animals, and there is a subtle degradation of the significance of ethical issues connected to our status as human beings. --> In short,there is a subtle influence of evolutionary materialism dressed in the lab coat here, and it reduces people to little more than cattle to be controlled and manipulated for their own good by there evolutionary betters, who proved it by rising to the top. 3] P 5, Italian labour is cited as a source of excess, undesirable population from France to London to Australia. 4] P. 7, an address by Ms Sanger, "The Function of Sterilization" >>The question of race betterment is one of immediate concern, and I am glad to say that the United States Government has already taken certain steps to control the quality of our population through the drastic immigration laws. There is a quota law by which only so many people from each country are allowed to enter our shores each month. It is the latest method adopted by our government to solve the population problem. Most people are convinced that this policy is right, and agree that we should slow down on the number as well as the kind of immigrants coming here. But . . . we make no attempt to discourage or to cut down the rapid multiplication of the unfit and the undesirable at home . . . . The American public is taxed, heavily taxed, to maintain an increasing race of morons, which threatens the very foundation of our civilization.>> --> the Eugenics context is plain, as is the characteristic racist theme of the threat of the tide of the inferior who breed at rates well above their superiors. [This can be found for instance in Darwin's Descent of Man, Chs 5 - 7. I need not mention who else echoes it. It was the context of consensus at the time, and it was heavily tainted with racism, Darwin for example was concerned abo0ut Saxons, Irish and Scots.] --> Again, the evolutionary cream has risen to the top but fails to breed in proportion, so controls must be put in place to preserve the cream from the swamping out by the inferior but rapidly breeding immigrant and native masses. --> including, of course the iconic examples, the morons, imbeciles etc. 6] In that context, I add this from her interactions with Blacks. >> "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." [Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon's Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America . New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.] >> --> This is of course from Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. --> I think we need to ask, if there is any doubt that Ms Sanger et al would have seen blacks as by and large overwhelmingly inferior? --> In that context, Dr Torley's remarks at 13 above take on a pointed relevance that we need to think about very carefully indeed. This issue, sadly, is not quite dead. --> In short,there are some very troubling issues that need to be faced fair and square and resolved on the merits, not the rhetorical stunts such as we have been seeing. ============= That should be enough to give some reasons for my highlighting the context of eugenics, its links to class prejudice and race prejudice, and that this was the atmosphere in which the movement led by Ms Sanger breathed. Again, we need to soberly and frankly face some very serious science in society issues connected to the rise of Darwinism as a dominant "scientific" view. Which, plainly, we have not adequately done to date. KFkairosfocus
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And Kantian Naturalist is all in a tither- and what did Barry write that Lizzie responded to? How was it well researched?Joe
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