Uncommon Descent Serving The Intelligent Design Community

Progressives, Fascism, and the Will to Power

Share
Facebook
Twitter
LinkedIn
Flipboard
Print
Email

So-called progressives are feeling pretty cocky nowadays, which is not surprising after they achieved a decisive victory on one of their key policy goals when the United States Supreme Court mandated that every state must adjust its laws to pretend that people of the same sex can marry one another.  Of course, it is the case and will always be the case that a man cannot marry another man any more than he can marry his left shoe.  Marriage is not an infinitely malleable concept; it has an irreducible essence, and that essence is defined by the mutually complementary design of male and female bodies.  Now the Supreme Court tells us we must, insofar as our civil laws are concerned, pretend that relationships that do not partake of that essence in fact do.  Far from tainting the victory, however, the in-the-teeth-of-objective-reality quality of it all serves to emphasize the vast scope of the progressives’ triumph.  They have forced every state in the union to pretend to deny reality itself.  That is an impressive political victory.

Understandably, many progressives must feel their power is ascendant and will remain so, and some are succumbing to the temptation of ascendancy – the temptation to speak and act as if one’s political opponents are powerless and their concerns are therefore irrelevant and need not be acknowledged, far less taken seriously.  Progressives are beginning to drop all pretense that to them the ideals of Enlightenment liberalism such as the right to free speech and freedom of conscious were ever anything but useful tools for accomplishing their goals when classical liberals (who, ironically, are called “conservatives” in the United States) were ascendant.  They have played according to the formula Frank Herbert described in Children of Dune:

When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.

The progressive call for “tolerance” for the “other” we heard for so many years was their way of asking for freedom according to the principles of classical liberals.  But now that progressives are politically ascendant, they are no longer calling for tolerance for the other.  Instead they are determined to quash all dissent and destroy those who refuse to conform, because progressives are fascists at bottom, and arraying the coercive force of government against their political opponents to enforce conformity is according to their fascist principles.  When they were weak, “tolerance and diversity!”  Now that they are strong, “Conform or be crushed under the heel of government.”  See here, here and here as merely the latest examples.

What does this have to do with origins?  Everything of course.  Classical liberalism was based on the premises and conclusions of natural law philosophy, as perhaps most famously articulated in the United States’ Declaration of Independence:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.  We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

It should be obvious that the superstructure of natural law rested on a theistic, specifically a Christian, foundation.  [Yes, a handful of the founders were Deists; the overwhelming majority of them were orthodox Christians.]  Classical liberals believed in God; they believed in a transcendent morality instituted by God; they believed that rights are not given by men to other men, but each man, as an image bearer of God, is endowed with inalienable rights by God.

These ideas have logical consequences.  Among these consequences are the belief that every human being has inherent dignity as an image bearer of God; that all persons have equal moral standing and thus a right to the twin freedoms of expression and conscience.  On the other side of the ledger, classical liberals had a keen sense of the doctrine of original sin, the fallenness of man, and his propensity for error, all of which led them to tolerate divergent political views and place their trust in the marketplace of ideas instead of a perpetual official political orthodoxy.

Progressives, on the other hand, are overwhelmingly secular and materialist in their outlook.  These ideas also have consequences, including (1) God does not exist; (2) good and evil do not exist as objective transcendent ontological categories; (3) God, who does not exist, cannot endow men with inalienable rights; and (4) men are not image bearers of a non-existent God; they are jumped up hairless apes with delusions of superiority over other animals.

If there is no good and evil and no God-endowed rights, by what standard does the progressive define the eponymous “progress” they claim to want to achieve?  Certainly there is no transcendent standard.  “We have to give up on the idea that there are unconditional, transcultural moral obligations, obligations rooted in an unchanging, ahistorical human nature,” says progressive hero Richard Rorty.

What then?  The answer is that progressives want what that want.  Theirs is a political philosophy bound by nothing and defined by their unbounded will to power.  Of course, none of this is new.  In Book X of The Laws Plato describes them:

In the first place, my dear friend, these people would say that the Gods exist not by nature, but by art, and by the laws of states, which are different in different places, according to the agreement of those who make them; and that the honourable is one thing by nature and another thing by law, and that the principles of justice have no existence at all in nature, but that mankind are always disputing about them and altering them; and that the alterations which are made by art and by law have no basis in nature, but are of authority for the moment and at the time at which they are made.-These, my friends, are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers, which find a way into the minds of youth. They are told by them that the highest right is might, and in this way the young fall into impieties, under the idea that the Gods are not such as the law bids them imagine; and hence arise factions, these philosophers inviting them to lead a true life according to nature, that is, to live in real dominion over others, and not in legal subjection to them.

Might makes right.  Progressives want what they want, and they will crush those who oppose their will to power.  And it is not enough to achieve their policy objectives.  Dissent is not allowed.  Progressive Tanya Cohen writes:

it’s just common sense that freedom of speech doesn’t give anyone the right to offend, insult, humiliate, intimidate, vilify, incite hatred or violence, be impolite or uncivil, disrespect, oppose human rights, spread lies or misinformation, argue against the common good, or promote ideas which have no place in society.

And who decides what is the “common good” and “ideas that have no place in society”?  Why Tanya Cohen and her friends of course.

Countless times on these pages Progressives have argued that good and evil do not exist as objective categories.  Instead, they insist that good is defined by the consensus of a society.  Yet even this limit is a dodge.  Every time the people have voted on the “right” to same-sex marriage they have rejected it by fairly wide margins.  It is not the law because there is a societal consensus that it is right.  It is the law because five members of a nine-member committee of lawyers decided they have the power to impose it on the rest of us and by God they are going to use that power.  This is about as anti-democratic as it is possible to be.  Yet progressives celebrate the decision.  Why?  Not because the outcome is “legitimate” even by their own standards of legitimacy (i.e., societal consensus), but because that is what they want, and they don’t care how they get what they want so long as they get it.

What is to be done?  I am not sure.  It seems to me that the clash of worldviews has reached a point where further attempts to reason with one another may be useless.  The two camps no longer speak or even understand the other camp’s moral language.  How can I reason with someone who thinks it is morally acceptable violently to dismember a baby and sell her body parts to the highest bidder?  If that is not self-evidently monstrous and evil, what can I say that would make its monstrousness and evilness apparent?  I have no idea.

When Justice Kennedy says that the conception of marriage that was accepted by everyone everywhere in the history of the world until ten minutes ago is based on nothing but bigotry and prejudice, what can be said to dissuade him from such an absurd idea?  Again, I have no idea.

I do have an idea, however, that perhaps it is time to read more deeply into the Declaration:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Comments
StephenB, Yes - essentially I think the Tanya Cohen persona is someone from the right writing in the exaggerated style of an anti-free speech leftist. The arguments that are mounted, the appeals to popularity (even if those positions aren't popular outside of a small sub-set of far-left activists), and the consistent and eager attempts to try and find her way into media outlets that are bigger than what she has already managed on Kos and Thought Catalog suggest an enthusiasm that just doesn't seem real. I admit that there is a chance that she could be for real, and that she could really believe every word she is writing. But it all reads a little too exaggerated to me. That said, when you write...
Progressives cannot win by debating. They win by shutting down debate and by destroying the reasoned standards for debate. Progressivism is anti-intellectual. Progressivism is chaos. Progressivism is Tanya Cohen, whatever kind of thing he/she/it turns out to be.
...I agree. I think we differ only on whether Cohen is sincere in her progressivism or simply taking on that progressive persona. Thanks for the response.Dylan
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
01:20 PM
1
01
20
PM
PDT
Heartlander: See: Liberal Fascism Historians and political scientists are not impressed. In any case, we understand the right has recently attempted to redefine the terminology.Zachriel
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
01:12 PM
1
01
12
PM
PDT
See: Liberal Fascism See also (regarding racism): The Democrats Owe Blacks an Apology Heartlander
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
01:04 PM
1
01
04
PM
PDT
Encyclopedia Britannica: left, In politics, the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life. The term dates from the 1790s, when in the French revolutionary parliament the socialist representatives sat to the presiding officer’s left. Leftists tend to be hostile to the interests of traditional elites, including the wealthy and members of the aristocracy, and to favour the interests of the working class (see proletariat).
Encyclopedia Britannica: right, portion of the political spectrum associated with conservative political thought. The term derives from the seating arrangement of the French revolutionary parliament (c. 1790s) in which the conservative representatives sat to the presiding officer’s right. In the 19th century the term applied to conservatives who supported authority, tradition, and property. In the 20th century a divergent, radical form developed that was associated with fascism.
Zachriel
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
12:52 PM
12
12
52
PM
PDT
mike1962: That is their confusion. Words are defined by usage, and redefinition is not a valid argument. The terms left and right with regards to politics have been relatively consistent over generations. Heartlander: socialism/fascism is not advocated by the ‘right’ in America. Of course not. Just because someone is on the political right doesn't mean they are on the extreme right, much less fascist.Zachriel
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
12:42 PM
12
12
42
PM
PDT
Zachriel@60
Fascists advocated for absolute inequality, which meant the destruction or enslavement of inferior races. There is no possibility of being reeducated from being a Jew, as it was considered a racial classification.
You are describing Nazism, not fascism – both are forms of socialism but Nazism has the racist element (Aryanism).
Scholars and the public have nearly universally described fascism as a political movement on the right.
This is correct for Europe - but socialism/fascism is not advocated by the 'right' in America.Heartlander
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
11:22 AM
11
11
22
AM
PDT
Zachriel: Military dictatorships allied with business elites are not libertarian by any means, but are considered right-wing.
That is their confusion. Some of those same jokers call Hitler's government "right wing" too. Laughable.
If your use of the term were correct, there would be no such thing as authoritarian governments on the right
There aren't. It's merely incoherent or deliberate semantic confusion.mike1962
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
11:20 AM
11
11
20
AM
PDT
Polanyi
Also, the American founding fathers (some of whom were probably free masons)
[edit] A significant percentage of them were. Masonry was a very strong influence in the development of a secular republic-democracy.Silver Asiatic
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
11:06 AM
11
11
06
AM
PDT
I wrote a short story a few years back that is apropos this OP and many of the comments. A summary of the story is as follows: <blockquote "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." Ronald Reagan This is a story of how such a conversation might sound in a dystopian future. A dystopia is a community or society that is in some important way undesirable or frightening. It is the opposite of a utopia. Such societies appear in many artistic works, particularly in stories set in a future. Dystopias are often characterized by dehumanization, totalitarian governments, environmental disaster, or other characteristics associated with a cataclysmic decline in society. Dystopian societies appear in many sub-genres of fiction and are often used to draw attention to real-world issues regarding society, environment, politics, economics, religion, psychology, ethics, science, and/or technology, which if unaddressed could potentially lead to such a dystopia-like condition. Famous depictions of dystopian societies include Nineteen Eighty-Four, which takes place in a totalitarian invasive super state; Brave New World, where the human population is placed under a caste of psychological allocation; Fahrenheit 451, where the state burns books out of fear of what they may incite; A Clockwork Orange, where the state undertakes to reform violent youths, but at what cost? </blockquote The book can be found at: http://www.blurb.com/b/5113602-the-old-man-in-apartment-620ayearningforpublius
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
10:46 AM
10
10
46
AM
PDT
kairosfocus: insofar as :Left” and “Right” still have meaning, the left is statist-socialist [with fascism a variant just right of Communism], the right on one fork is libertarian-anarchist, and the centre is a tussle between classical liberals now called conservatives as centre-right and welfare state “liberals” as centre-left. Military dictatorships allied with business elites are not libertarian by any means, but are considered right-wing. kairosfocus: What seems to have happened is that old fashioned monarchy died in our civilisation, and the spectrum moved left, so that classical liberals (having more or less won) became the new conservatives. That's correct. The center moved. While classical liberals advocated greater equality in their day, opposed to the entrenched interests of the aristocracy, the modern world has moved towards economic equality, such as labor rights, limited workweeks, a minimal social safety net, etc. Hence, classical liberals are to the right of the current middle. Indeed, the middle has been moving left since the Renaissance, and certainly since the revolutionary period. kairosfocus: In that context libertarianism is an extension of conservativism, towards minimalist state, which leaves anarchy to be grafted on as the further yet right. There are libertarians and anarchists on the left and on the right. There are authoritarians on the left and on the right. If your use of the term were correct, there would be no such thing as authoritarian governments on the right, which were very prevalent during the Cold War, and still exist today in places, and are often politically active in liberal societies. Heartlander: "Communism and Fascism turned out to be different names for approximately the same thing ~ the police state. " The police state is a means. The dichotomy of left-right is defined by ends. Communists advocated for absolute equality, which meant the destruction of the class structure; hence, "reeducation". Fascists advocated for absolute inequality, which meant the destruction or enslavement of inferior races. There is no possibility of being reeducated from being a Jew, as it was considered a racial classification. Scholars and the public have nearly universally described fascism as a political movement on the right.Zachriel
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
10:25 AM
10
10
25
AM
PDT
Dylan
If anyone is interested, I’ve posted about her background and CV a few times in addition to the link goodusername @ 41 posted above, including this post where I started looking into her background and found that she had invented it – with follow up posts here and here demonstrating she was using the name of prominent organizations to promote her ideas without any principles. My ideas about her playing the long troll are laid out in a little more detail here.
I am not clear on what you are trying to say. Is it your contention that Tanya Cohen is an enemy of hate crime laws and is using satire to lampoon those who believe in them? That seems like quite a stretch. Troll or no troll, prominent or not, identified or unidentified, (she?) is clearly an advocate of wide ranging hate crime laws. It hardly makes sense to suggest that uses irony to make her own ideas look stupid. Putting aside her intentions for the moment, she doesn't have the skill to make "suckers" out of anyone. A good satirical piece is always appreciated for what it is. You don't have to wonder about it. If more people than not think she is serious, then it more reasonable to assume that she is serious. Equally important, it doesn't make sense to suggest that she would write things she doesn't really believe in order to gain a moment of fame. What would be the point of taking center stage only to confess that you had not been sincere in your stated convictions? I am not buying any of it. Most likely she is simply an inconsequential progressive who supports free speech--for liberals only. The take home point is this: Inside every progressive is a Fascist screaming to get out. Progressives cannot win by debating. They win by shutting down debate and by destroying the reasoned standards for debate. Progressivism is anti-intellectual. Progressivism is chaos. Progressivism is Tanya Cohen, whatever kind of thing he/she/it turns out to be.StephenB
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
10:15 AM
10
10
15
AM
PDT
FYI:
What is Left? What is Right? What Is Left? What Is Right? It is extremely unfortunate that the writers on political philosophy today have undertaken to measure various issues in terms of political parties instead of political power. No doubt the American Founding Fathers would have considered this modern measuring stick most objectionable, even meaningless. Today, as we mentioned, it is popular in the classroom as well as the press to refer to "Communism on the left," and "Fascism on the right." People and parties are often called "Leftist," or "Rightist." The public do not really understand what they are talking about. These terms actually refer to the manner in which the various parties are seated in the parliaments of Europe. The radical revolutionaries (usually the Communists) occupy the far left and the military dictatorships (such as the Fascists) are on the far right. Other parties are located in between. Measuring people and issues in terms of political parties has turned out to be philosophically fallacious if not totally misleading. This is because the platforms or positions of political parties are often superficial and structured on shifting sand. The platform of a political party of one generation can hardly be recognized by the next. Furthermore, Communism and Fascism turned out to be different names for approximately the same thing ~ the police state. They are not opposite extremes but, for all practical purposes, are virtually identical. The American Founding Fathers Used a More Accurate Yardstick Government is defined in the dictionary as "a system of ruling or controlling," and therefore the American Founders measured political systems in terms of the amount of coercive power or systematic control which a particular system of government exercises over its people. In other words, the yardstick is not political parties, but political power. Using this type of yardstick, the American Founders considered the two extremes to be anarchy on the one hand, and tyranny on the other. At the one extreme of anarchy there is no government, no law, no systematic control and no governmental power, while at the other extreme there is too much control, too much political oppression, too much government. Or, as the Founders called it, "tyranny." The object of the Founders was to discover the "balanced center" between these two extremes. They recognized that under the chaotic confusion of anarchy there is "no law," whereas at the other extreme the law is totally dominated by the ruling power and is therefore "Ruler's Law." What they wanted to establish was a system of "People's Law," where the government is kept under the control of the people and political power is maintained at the balanced center with enough government to maintain security, justice, and good order, but not enough government to abuse the people. The 5,000 Year Leap - W. Cleon Skousen
Heartlander
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
09:54 AM
9
09
54
AM
PDT
Zachriel, insofar as :Left" and "Right" still have meaning, the left is statist-socialist [with fascism a variant just right of Communism], the right on one fork is libertarian-anarchist, and the centre is a tussle between classical liberals now called conservatives as centre-right and welfare state "liberals" as centre-left. The older fork (as I said, insofar as this L/R thing has any real use now) would put older Monarchy on the right and liberals to their left. What seems to have happened is that old fashioned monarchy died in our civilisation, and the spectrum moved left, so that classical liberals (having more or less won) became the new conservatives. In that context libertarianism is an extension of conservativism, towards minimalist state, which leaves anarchy to be grafted on as the further yet right. And where old fashioned monarchy still exists, one has to fork the spectrum to make a coherent picture. That is my best conceptualisation based on how I have found the terms used over the past generation. What I really think is, it is outdated terminology that has morphed in meaning in the very strangest ways, e.g. in Stalin's day he saw everything to his right as right wing, thus the enduring tag of Fascism and the national socialist german worker's/labour party as "right wing." Then when the communists re-emerged post USSR collapse they were trying to go back to the old days so were tagged right wing in things I saw. I guess we have to live with the utterly confusing terms. Progressives seem to be the left of the centre left, and are deeply influenced by the Frankfurt School's Critical Theory reworking of Marxism that issued in X-studies, X ranging across a wide swath of the post-modern academy. Monarchy, oddly can crop up anywhere but the anarchist right: North Korea is clearly a Stalinist Monarchy, Italy as a Fascist state was a monarchy, Britain, Australia New Zealand and Canada along with a good slice of the Commonwealth are monarchies, much of W Europe is still monarchical, and there are old fashioned monarchies in other parts of the world. KFkairosfocus
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
09:45 AM
9
09
45
AM
PDT
Polanyi Equality in nature and moral-spiritual worth, owed the same core duties of justice, can be summarised as created equal and endowed with unalienable rights. If all you were saying was that the summary phrase in the US DoI does not appear in specifically equivalent phrasing in Hebrew or Koine Greek, that is of no consequence. The obvious issue is there is no substance that accords, especially given your onward citation. In short, the Judaeo-Christian scriptural-theological tradition does patently warrant that we are equal in profound ways and stand on the same basis of being owed duties of core justice: thou shalt not steal another's life, property or innocent reputation etc. And yes, the US Founders did not wish to found a "pure" democracy [which often deteriorates into factionalism and mob rule], but a constitutional republic resting on the consent of the governed and pivoting on the duty of the state to uphold the civil peace of justice. In turn, with that justice rooted in the transcendent law of nature and of nature's God, that is they acknowledged that we are under moral government through law embedded in our interior life, inherent worth as made in God's image and fundamental equality entailing that the rights tied to justice are universal. That is, a republic of democratic character -- "We the People . . ." they begin -- rooted in ethical theism as carried down in the Judaeo-Christian tradition and expressed in "the blessings of liberty." This, a covenantal word that is pregnant with context given for instance Congressional proclamations that called the people to penitence, prayer and thanksgiving in a highly specifically Christian, double covenant context: nationhood and government under the judgement and rule of God. Justice in government and community is in fact a dominant biblical theme. One, in which it is not irrelevant that the death of Messiah is a judicial murder carried out by corrupt ruthless elites complete with rent a crowd, with ordinary decent people powerless to do more than stand by weeping and with the few who tried to stand up for the right among the ruling classes brushed aside or only able to take the symbolic action of requesting the body and laying the dead prophet in their own intended tomb. Forever after, every Christian cross on a church spire or hanging around a neck is at once a symbol of God's redemption: that was Friday, but Sunday was a-coming, and a warning about the depth of entrenched sin and even wickedness in our hearts, especially among power classes. As for the ongoing walkaway from God across our civilisation, it is not those factors as just outlined that are pivotal, but the ignoring and suppression for generations. (I suggest you may find here on in context an interesting 101: http://nicenesystheol.blogspot.com/2010/11/unit-2-gospel-on-mars-hill-foundations.html#u2xfrmn ) KFkairosfocus
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
09:17 AM
9
09
17
AM
PDT
mahuna: The Left Wing was originally and remains today about people who desire the central government (originally the king of France) to hold all power while the Right Wing (originally land-owning nobles and the new merchant class) desires laws and traditions that protect ownership of private property and rights of the individual. That is exactly backwards. Those who supported the Ancien Régime sat to the right, while those who opposed the Ancien Régime sat on the left. Hence, the left is defined as support for greater equality, «Liberté, égalité, fraternité», while the right is defined as support for existing hierarchical institutions. - edited for brevityZachriel
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
08:49 AM
8
08
49
AM
PDT
Kairos I get that God is the creator of all of us, I get that the Bible says we are all created in his image, the crucial question is, of course is what this means. The point remains, the words "we are all created equal" simply does not appear in the Bible, anywhere. Genesis does not read "in the beginning, God created us all equal". It is simply not there, progressives are reading things between the texts. Also, the American founding fathers (some of whom were probably free masons) were not trying to create a democracy, they founded a republic, in fact, the setup many safeguards in the hope that it would not evolve into a democracy, as they understood, it naturally evolves into tyranny. Democracy is not only a bad form of government, it actually had a very negative impact on Christianity, just look at France, 200 years of democracy and Christianity is effectively dead there.Polanyi
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
08:38 AM
8
08
38
AM
PDT
Starbuck, Do you actually have something substantial to argue on merits, and can you actually ground equality and rights, addressing the IS-OUGHT gap and the underlying nature of moral government and lawfulness . . . as opposed to might and manipulation making 'right' under dubious colour of law? Where, it is probably appropriate to here expand Plato's warning on evolutionary materialism, radical relativism and nihilistic factionalism in The Laws Bk X, 2350 years ago now:
Ath. . . .[The avant garde philosophers and poets, c. 360 BC] say that fire and water, and earth and air [i.e the classical "material" elements of the cosmos], all exist by nature and chance, and none of them by art . . . [such that] all that is in the heaven, as well as animals and all plants, and all the seasons come from these elements, not by the action of mind, as they say, or of any God, or from art, but as I was saying, by nature and chance only [ --> that is, evolutionary materialism is ancient and would trace all things to blind chance and mechanical necessity] . . . . [Thus, they hold] that the principles of justice have no existence at all in nature, but that mankind are always disputing about them and altering them; and that the alterations which are made by art and by law have no basis in nature, but are of authority for the moment and at the time at which they are made.-
[ --> Relativism, too, is not new; complete with its radical amorality rooted in a worldview that has no foundational IS that can ground OUGHT, leading to an effectively arbitrary foundation only for morality, ethics and law: accident of personal preference, the ebbs and flows of power politics, accidents of history and and the shifting sands of manipulated community opinion driven by "winds and waves of doctrine and the cunning craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming . . . " cf a video on Plato's parable of the cave; from the perspective of pondering who set up the manipulative shadow-shows, why.]
These, my friends, are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers, which find a way into the minds of youth. They are told by them that the highest right is might,
[ --> Evolutionary materialism -- having no IS that can properly ground OUGHT -- leads to the promotion of amorality on which the only basis for "OUGHT" is seen to be might (and manipulation: might in "spin") . . . ]
and in this way the young fall into impieties, under the idea that the Gods are not such as the law bids them imagine; and hence arise factions [ --> Evolutionary materialism-motivated amorality "naturally" leads to continual contentions and power struggles influenced by that amorality at the hands of ruthless power hungry nihilistic agendas], these philosophers inviting them to lead a true life according to nature, that is,to live in real dominion over others [ --> such amoral and/or nihilistic factions, if they gain power, "naturally" tend towards ruthless abuse and arbitrariness . . . they have not learned the habits nor accepted the principles of mutual respect, justice, fairness and keeping the civil peace of justice, so they will want to deceive, manipulate and crush -- as the consistent history of radical revolutions over the past 250 years so plainly shows again and again], and not in legal subjection to them.
KFkairosfocus
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
08:18 AM
8
08
18
AM
PDT
Polanyi, The Bible makes it clear that we are equally created in the image of God, derive from one common ancestral chain, and are of equal moral-spiritual worth. Here is Paul, speaking to the intellectual elites in Athens c AD 50, and though them to the whole world in what has to be the most striking counter to racism, jingoism and xenophobia on record:
Ac 17:23 For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. 24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man,[c] 25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. 26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28 for “‘In him we live and move and have our being’;[d] as even some of your own poets have said, “‘For we are indeed his offspring.’[e] 29 Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. 30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”
Men, specifically, are made in the image of God and hold a dignity and worth that stems from that. In that context, we see also an establishment of a transcending equality in our nature as transformed by God that radically relativises distinctions of class, race or sex:
Gal 3: 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[g] nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
So also, in the context of citizenship t5he same apostle teaches:
Rom 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Further, here is just one context on freedom by the same:
1 Cor 7:17 Only let each person lead the life[c] that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him. This is my rule in all the churches. 18 Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. 19 For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God. 20 Each one should remain in the condition in which he was called. 21 Were you a bondservant[d] when called? Do not be concerned about it. (But if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity.) 22 For he who was called in the Lord as a bondservant is a freedman of the Lord. Likewise he who was free when called is a bondservant of Christ. 23 You were bought with a price; do not become bondservants[e] of men. 24 So, brothers,[f] in whatever condition each was called, there let him remain with God.
I suggest that such and much more calls into question your knowledge base to speak so dismissively as you just did. Just a bit earlier I dealt with Philemon and onwards to the broader issues of the major Christian contribution to the roots of modern constitutional democracy: https://uncommondescent.com/education/carpathian-vs-the-sword-blindfold-and-scales-of-justice/#comment-573909 . . . with remarks on the broader cultural pattern and trends here a little earlier: https://uncommondescent.com/education/carpathian-vs-the-sword-blindfold-and-scales-of-justice/#comment-573898 Where of course, Locke (who is profoundly influenced by the Judaeo-Christian tradition and its thought) in seeking to ground what would become modern liberty and democracy, grounds it in the law and duties of nature, evident through our sense of what we are owed and what we owe in turn. He does this, by citing, in Ch 2 sect 5 ofhis 2nd treatise of civil govt, "the judicious [Anglican Canon Richard] Hooker [in his Ecclesiastical Polity]" -- as last appeared at 27 above:
. . . if I cannot but wish to receive good, even as much at every man’s hands, as any man can wish unto his own soul, how should I look to have any part of my desire herein satisfied, unless myself be careful to satisfy the like desire which is undoubtedly in other men . . . my desire, therefore, to be loved of my equals in Nature, as much as possible may be, imposeth upon me a natural duty of bearing to themward fully the like affection. From which relation of equality between ourselves and them that are as ourselves, what several rules and canons natural reason hath drawn for direction of life no man is ignorant . . . [[Hooker then continues, citing Aristotle in The Nicomachean Ethics, Bk 8:] as namely, That because we would take no harm, we must therefore do none; That since we would not be in any thing extremely dealt with, we must ourselves avoid all extremity in our dealings; That from all violence and wrong we are utterly to abstain, with such-like . . . ] [[Eccl. Polity, preface, Bk I, “ch.” 8, p.80]
In short, the pivotal issue is the civil peace of justice, which turns on a proper balance of rights, freedoms and responsibilities among those who are equals in nature first by Creation and our resulting common ancestry then by the New Creation. Where if you have a right to your life, liberty etc that you may fulfill your proper purpose under God and so find true happiness [and yes, that is the underlying context] it is because we have a duty to respect such. That is, a right, properly is a binding moral expectation to be respected in particular ways rooted in our inherent dignity and worth as human beings. Which through the question of the IS that properly grounds OUGHT, points to the only serious candidate, the inherently good Creator God -- a necessary and maximally great being genuinely worthy of loyalty an reasonable service by doing the good in accordance with our evident nature. Beyond, I point here for a 101 on the Judaeo-Christian contribution to the roots of modern liberty and democratic self government: http://www.angelfire.com/pro/kairosfocus/resources/Government_under_God.htm#librts As for your academic and book author, he is declaiming on a now all too common theme that can only prosper because for generations many people have been increasingly cut off from our civilisation's roots and history. I think it appropriate to here cite the last of the great calvinist statesmen, Abraham Kuyper, in his remarks on the American Revolution etc [IIRC from his 1897 Princeton Stone Lectures on Calvinism]:
The three great revolutions in the Calvinistic world left untouched the glory of God, nay, they even proceeded from the acknowledgement of His majesty. Every one will admit this of our [Dutch] rebellion against Spain, under William the Silent. Nor has it even been doubted of the “glorious Revolution,” [1688, England] which was crowned by the arrival of William III of Orange and the overthrow of the Stuarts. But it is equally true of your own Revolution. It is expressed in so many words in the Declaration of Independence, by John Hancock [first signer and symbol of the others], that the Americans asserted themselves by virtue –“of the law of nature and of nature's God”; that they acted –“as endowed by the Creator with certain unalienable rights”; that they appealed to “the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of their intention”;3 and that they sent forth their “declaration of Independence” –“With a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence.”4 in the “Articles of Confederation” it is confessed in the preamble, –“that it hath pleased the great Governor of the world to incline the hearts of the legislators.”5 It is also declared in the preamble of the Constitution of many of the States: –“Grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty, which He has so long permitted us to enjoy and looking unto Him, for a blessing upon our endeavors.”6 God is there honored as “the Sovereign Ruler,”7 and the “Legislator of the Universe”8 and it is there specifically admitted, that from God alone the people received “the right to choose their own form of government.”9 In one of the meetings of the Convention, Franklin proposed, in a moment of supreme anxiety, that they should ask wisdom from God in prayer. And if any one should still doubt whether or not the American revolution was homogeneous with that of Paris, this doubt is fully set at rest by the bitter fight in 1793 between Jefferson and Hamilton. Therefore it remains as the German historian Von Holtz stated it: “Es ware Thorheit zu sagen dass die Rousseauschen Schriften einen Einfluss auf die Entwicklung in America ausgeubt haben.”10 (“Mere madness would it be to say that the American revolution borrowed its impelling energy from Rousseau and his writings.”) Or as Hamilton himself expressed it, that he considered “the French Revolution to be no more akin to the American Revolution than the faithless wife in a French novel is like the Puritan matron in New England.”11 The French Revolution is in principle distinct from all these national revolutions, which were undertaken with praying lips and with trust in the help of God. The French Revolution ignores God. It opposes God. It refuses to recognize a deeper ground of political life than that which is found in nature, that is, in this instance, in man himself. Here the first article of the confession of the most absolute infidelity is “ni Dieu ni maitre.” The sovereign God is dethroned and man with his free will is placed on the vacant seat. It is the will of man which determines all things. All power, all authority proceeds from man. Thus one comes from the individual man to the many men; and in those many men conceived as the people, there is thus hidden the deepest fountain of all sovereignty . . . It is a sovereignty of the people therefore, which is perfectly identical with atheism. And herein lies its self-abasement. In the sphere of Calvinism, as also in your Declaration, the knee is bowed to God, while over against man the head is proudly lifted up. But here, from the standpoint of the sovereignty of the people, the fist is defiantly clenched against God, while man grovels before his fellowmen, tinseling over this self-abasement by the ludicrous fiction that, thousands of years ago, men, of whom no one has any remembrance, concluded a political contract, or, as they called it, “Contrat Social.” Now, do you ask for the result? Then, let History tell you how the rebellion of the Netherlands, the “glorious Revolution” of England and your own rebellion against the British Crown have brought liberty to honor; and answer for yourself the question: Has the French Revolution resulted in anything else but the shackling of liberty in the irons of State-omnipotence? Indeed, no country in our 19th century has had a sadder State history than France.
And, much more can be said. KFkairosfocus
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
08:11 AM
8
08
11
AM
PDT
Waahhhhhh I don't get to be a bigot anymore waaaah the government is forcing me to treat people equally wahaahahhhhhh I can't hate people and blame it on an ancient book written by goat herders waaaahStarbuck
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
08:09 AM
8
08
09
AM
PDT
//We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights// Barry, the interesting thing is, these words are found no where in the Bible. Jefferson was likely quoting Locke here, but he was not getting this from the Bible. Sure, according to the Bible, we are all equal, in the sense that we are all guilty of sin. "In his well-known book Christian Faith and Modern Democracy, Robert P. Kraynak argues that Christianity is inherently illiberal and undemocratic. Nowhere does Scripture prescribe democracy or speak of human rights, Kraynak points out, let alone call for a separation of religion and politics. And while the Bible affirms the dignity of every single human being by virtue of her creation in the image of God, the image of God is conceived in primarily spiritual terms, in which obedience to God is more essential than liberty." https://matthewtuininga.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/is-christianity-inherently-undemocratic-hierarchy-and-predestination/Polanyi
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
06:37 AM
6
06
37
AM
PDT
FYI: On the Wrong Side of God, Evolution & Humanity - Frank TurekHeartlander
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
06:30 AM
6
06
30
AM
PDT
I've learnt two fascinating bits of history this week.... 1.) People care more about animals than humans. 2.) The KKK was formed by democrats.Andre
July 30, 2015
July
07
Jul
30
30
2015
03:40 AM
3
03
40
AM
PDT
bpragmatic,
Both sides of what?
Of the political spectrum - i.e extreme left and extreme right. (Assuming there is such a thing - perhaps "all sides" would be more accurate.)goodusername
July 29, 2015
July
07
Jul
29
29
2015
10:10 PM
10
10
10
PM
PDT
I saw this post pop up in my referrers list and was glad to see that there were some other people not suckered in by Tanya Cohen and her nonsense. Cohen has been pretty quiet of recent months. I had her pegged from the start as satire but was enjoying watching her 'long troll' unroll. There's a good chance she is working the left/progressive side and dreaming of landing a post or article on a major site - something a little larger than Thought Catalog or a diary on Kos, anyway - and then revealing herself to be a button-pressing satirist. Still, it takes a lot of effort to keep up a troll for that long and I suspect she's grown tired of the work. From time to time her Twitter fee includes a plea to a journalist or a question like 'did you get my article?', but she's otherwise disappeared right now. If anyone is interested, I've posted about her background and CV a few times in addition to the link goodusername @ 41 posted above, including this post where I started looking into her background and found that she had invented it - with follow up posts here and here demonstrating she was using the name of prominent organizations to promote her ideas without any principles. My ideas about her playing the long troll are laid out in a little more detail here.Dylan
July 29, 2015
July
07
Jul
29
29
2015
09:53 PM
9
09
53
PM
PDT
"I can’t disagree with that, but it goes for the extremists on both sides." Both sides of what?bpragmatic
July 29, 2015
July
07
Jul
29
29
2015
09:45 PM
9
09
45
PM
PDT
mike1962,
At any rate, what’s fun about this is that it’s quite difficult to tell the difference between the views of the extreme left and satires of it.
I can't disagree with that, but it goes for the extremists on both sides. Here's a pretty humorous example from the far right: Here are the editors of Conservapedia struggling with how to tell the difference between satirical articles by liberals and the real thing - and even some of the editors feel it might be hopeless: http://www.conservapedia.com/Debate:How_can_we_protect_Conservapedia_by_distinguishing_real_conservative_encyclopedia_articles_from_satires_written_by_liberals%3Fgoodusername
July 29, 2015
July
07
Jul
29
29
2015
08:29 PM
8
08
29
PM
PDT
Barry: "Wrong again. Ever heard of the 13th, 14th, 15th, and 19th amendments? Japanese internment was the only area you mention where there was no constitutional amendment." But my question was about whether they required a referendum of the people. All of the amendments that you listed were not decided by a majority vote of the people, they were enacted as the result of ratification by the state legislatures. But my understanding of the court decision (and I admit that as a Canadian, my knowledge of the process is weak) is that it did not involve a redefinition of marriage. Simply that the states had no grounds to prevent SSM. As I mentioned, I don't understand homosexuality, but nobody has provided a logically valid reason why they should not be allowed to marry. Most arguments I have heard were religious, which do not apply to civil marriages, or some lame biological rationale which is just a poor attempt to hide the religious reason behind it. But I live in Canada where SSM has been the law of the land for over ten years and I have not seen any of the dire consequences that were predicted. Maybe they will arise over time, but there have been no trends suggesting that they will come about.Al Hobbin
July 29, 2015
July
07
Jul
29
29
2015
07:37 PM
7
07
37
PM
PDT
If "Tonya Cohen" can make a monkey out of the Daily Kos, that's alright by me. One commenter said:
Greg: I knew Tanya online before she changed her name and wiped her old blog. Don’t know why she has become so obsessed with hate speech (which for the record I do think is a problem, but not to the extent she portrays it…) but she definitely misrepresents herself alot now.
We'll have to wait and see. At any rate, what's fun about this is that it's quite difficult to tell the difference between the views of the extreme left and satires of it.mike1962
July 29, 2015
July
07
Jul
29
29
2015
07:37 PM
7
07
37
PM
PDT
I'm pretty certain that the stuff from Tanya satire. I tried finding any evidence of her existence prior to the article and found nothing - which is odd since she claims to have worked for human rights organizations around the world. And I see that someone else found the same thing: http://dylankissane.com/tanya-cohen-is-a-fraud/
(Or whether Masnik is in full damage control mode, because a progressive crazy is saying what the rest of you think).
I'm pretty sure that's satire too (or at least facetiousness). But it's often hard to tell here. (More Poe's Law in action.)goodusername
July 29, 2015
July
07
Jul
29
29
2015
07:28 PM
7
07
28
PM
PDT
Nick @ 36, you are the one who has been punked. Here is the original article in its entirety: http://thoughtcatalog.com/tanya-cohen/2015/01/here-is-why-its-time-to-get-tough-on-hate-speech-in-america/ Readers can judge for themselves whether it is satire. (Or whether Masnik is in full damage control mode, because a progressive crazy is saying what the rest of you think). If it is satire, it is an example of Poe's Law in action: "without a clear indicator of the author's intent, parodies of extreme views will, to some readers, be indistinguishable from sincere expressions of the parodied views."Barry Arrington
July 29, 2015
July
07
Jul
29
29
2015
06:51 PM
6
06
51
PM
PDT
1 7 8 9 10 11

Leave a Reply