[quote mine] Charles Darwin: “all has been intelligently designed”

_{Salvador Cordova

August 20, 2007

Humor, Intelligent Design}

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From Letter 3154 Ã¢â‚¬â€ Darwin, C. R. to Herschel, J. F. W., 23 May [1861]

One cannot look at this Universe with all living productions & man without believing that all has been intelligently designed

Charles Darwin, 1861

I think that would make a perfect textbook sticker.

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If I had seen the humor part I wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t have responded. My apologies. What about the part about you banning Sal? Any humor there, oh gutless one?tribune7_{August 20, 2007
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intelligent Design has perplexed me beyond measure Charles Darwin, 1861
And then we have:
As everyone now knows, even though the ID guys will never admit it, Ã¢â‚¬Å“intelligent designÃ¢â‚¬Â as such originated in the 1989 ID textbook Of Pandas and People Nick Matzke
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My apologies to Jack if I pulled the trigger a bit early in my defense of Sal. I was typing my post as Jack was posting his explanation. The ScubaredneckThe Scubaredneck_{August 20, 2007
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From the quote in context, it seems that Darwin was admitting that there is an "Edge of Evolution" somewhere between the universe as a whole and pigeon feathers.CJYman_{August 20, 2007
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From Jack's post: "...I am not prepared to admit that God designed the feathers in the tail of the rock-pigeon to vary in a highly peculiar manner in order that man might select such variations & make a Fan-tail; & if this be not admitted (I know it would be admitted by many persons), then I cannot see design in the variations of structure in animals in a state of nature,Ã¢â‚¬â€those variations which were useful to the animal being preserved & those useless or injurious being destroyed." Notice that Darwin doesn't talk abut what he believes to be true but what he is personally prepared to tolerate. This becomes a bit like Dawkins' "Argument from Incredulity" where someone proclaims something false because they can't possibly see how it could be true. In the end, this is no argument at all as the truth of a particular proposition has nothing at all to do with how understandable or personally tolerable it may or may not be to specific individuals. Nice try, Jack, but if the universe as a whole is designed (which Darwin seems to admit), then Darwin's personal incredulity isn't much of a defeater for the notion of whether or not pigeon feathers are designed. The ScubaredneckThe Scubaredneck_{August 20, 2007
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Sorry, I didn't see the Humor part. Perhaps it's my monitor, but the line that lists the category and says Leave a Response is virtually unseeable because the font color is so light. If I had seen the humor part I wouldn't have responded. My apologies.Jack Krebs_{August 20, 2007
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Jack Krebs, The post was filed under "humor" and it said "[quote mine]". I think it would be a great T-shirt. By the way, Jack, can you explain the fact you tolerate the verbal abuse heaped upon me at KCFS, that you allow your members to refer to me there in the most vulgur terms, and ad hominems. Yet you effectively banned me simply quoting Lewontin here: Lewontin argues Darwin's notion of fitness is Obsolete Is that the way you reward the hosiptality extended to you here at UD. You trump up false justifications for banning me when there was in fact far more egregious conduct by the Darwinists on your discussion board, and I focused on relevant science issues. You suppress discussion when critiques of Darwinian evolution are more than you and yours can refute.scordova_{August 20, 2007
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To provide a bit of context, a little bit more of he letter goes like this: "One cannot look at this Universe with all living productions & man without believing that all has been intelligently designed; yet when I look to each individual organism, I can see no evidence of this. For, I am not prepared to admit that God designed the feathers in the tail of the rock-pigeon to vary in a highly peculiar manner in order that man might select such variations & make a Fan-tail; & if this be not admitted (I know it would be admitted by many persons), then I cannot see design in the variations of structure in animals in a state of nature,Ã¢â‚¬â€those variations which were useful to the animal being preserved & those useless or injurious being destroyed."Jack Krebs_{August 20, 2007
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SCordova: "I think that would make a perfect textbook sticker." Or a T-Shirt, with a picture of Darwin!SCheesman_{August 20, 2007
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HT: Nick Matzke for his salesmanship. He can point out here Darwin's usage of the term "intelligent design" in 1861 and in the same essay say "intelligent design" was the invention of creationists in 1989.scordova_{August 20, 2007
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