And our universe would look like a tiny black hole to an observer:
A strange new theory suggests that tiny primordial black holes — the ones that formed at the very beginning of our universe — could make up dark matter and, bizarrely, contain tiny collapsed universes of their own.
It’s a bizarre idea, but as Motherboard reports, it tackles several of the most significant mysteries of the cosmos all at once, albeit in a speculative fashion. But most controversially about the research, which was published in the journal Physical Review Letters in October, is that it suggests our entire universe might just look like any other tiny black hole bubble to an outside observer.
Dan Robitzski, “Scientists claim black holes are made of collapsed universes” at Futurism
The paper is paywalled.
It’s interesting how science is becoming indistinguishable from science fiction, if not mysticism.
See also: Harvard Astronomer: Aliens visited in 2017! Now a book! Okay, Oumuamua is unusual. But here’s what seems even more unusual. That a Harvard astronomer would be retailing stories that, sixty years ago, were the domain of tabloid magazines. And people are listening seriously.
as to: “it’s interesting how science is becoming indistinguishable from science fiction, if not mysticism.”
Since God, not materialism and/or naturalism, is the basis of all physical reality, then the rejection of God by modern day scientists as an explanation for why the physical universe exists, and even as the explanation for why we ourselves exist, necessarily forces them to postulate explanations that are inherently ‘unreal’, illusory, and/or imaginary.
And although the imaginary speculations of ‘primordial black holes’, parallel universes, multiverses, and etc.. etc.., are certainly bad enough,,,
While that is certainly bad enough, the fact that modern day scientists, (with their rejection of God as a viable explanation), are forced into ‘imaginary’ explanations is brought into even further stark relief when materialistic explanations are offered for why we ourselves exist.
Specifically, although the Darwinist firmly believes he is on the terra firma of science, (in his appeal, even demand, for methodological naturalism), the fact of the matter is that Darwinists are adrift in an ocean of fantasy and imagination with no discernible anchor for reality to grab on to:
Thus, although the Darwinian Atheist may firmly believe that he is on the terra firma of science (in his appeal, even demand, for naturalistic explanations over and above God as a viable explanation), the fact of the matter is that, when examining the details of his materialistic/naturalistic worldview, it is found that Darwinists/Atheists themselves are adrift in an ocean of fantasy and imagination with no discernible anchor for reality to grab on to.
It would be hard to fathom a worldview more antagonistic to modern science, indeed more antagonistic to any coherent definition of reality itself, than Atheistic materialism and/or methodological naturalism have turned out to be.
As to Black Holes in particular, whereas atheists have no experimental evidence supporting their unfounded, and imaginary, speculations for ‘primordial black holes’, parallel universes, multiverses, and etc.. etc.., Christians, on the other hand, can appeal directly to Special Relativity, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics, (i.e. our most precisely tested theories ever in the history of science), to support their belief that God upholds this universe in its continual existence, as well as to support their belief in a heavenly dimension and in a hellish dimension.”
Specifically, as would be ‘predicted’ under Theistic presuppositions, a ‘higher dimensional’ 4-dimensional space is needed for the mathematical formulation of General Relativity,
And although it is fairly well known that General Relativity is based upon ‘higher dimensional’ 4-dimensional space, what is less well known is that Special Relativity itself is also based upon a ‘higher dimensional’ 4-dimensional space.
In fact, the higher dimensional nature of special relativity was a discovery that was made before the higher dimensional nature of General Relativity was discovered.
In fact, it was a discovery that was made by one of Einstein math professors in 1908 prior to Einstein’s elucidation of General Relativity in 1915. (In fact, in 1916 Einstein fully acknowledged his indebtedness to his former math professor, Hermann Minkowski)
Moreover, these four dimensional spacetimes that undergird both special relativity and general relativity are also comforting to overall Christian concerns in that these higher dimensional spacetimes reveal two very different eternities to us.
The eternity for special relativity is found when a hypothetical observer approaches the speed of light. In this scenario, time, as we understand it, would come to a complete stop for that hypothetical observer as he reaches the speed of light.
To grasp the whole concept of time coming to a complete stop at the speed of light a little more easily, imagine moving away from the face of a clock at the speed of light. Would not the hands on the clock stay stationary as you moved away from the face of the clock at the speed of light? Moving away from the face of a clock at the speed of light happens to be the very same ‘thought experiment’ that gave Einstein his breakthrough insight into special relativity. Here is a short clip from a video that gives us a look into Einstein’s breakthrough insight.
That time, as we understand it comes to a complete stop at the speed of light, and yet light moves from point A to point B in our universe, and thus light is obviously not ‘frozen within time, has some fairly profound implications.
The only way it is possible for time not to pass for light, and yet for light to move from point A to point B in our universe, is if light is of a higher dimensional value of time than the temporal time we are currently living in. Otherwise light would simply be ‘frozen within time’ to our temporal frame of reference.
One way for us to more easily understand this higher dimensional framework for time that light exists in is to visualize what would happen if a hypothetical observer approached the speed of light.
In the first part of the following video clip, which was made by two Australian University Physics Professors, we find that the 3-Dimensional world ‘folds and collapses’ into a tunnel shape as a ‘hypothetical’ observer approaches the ‘higher dimension’ of the speed of light.
This effect shown in the preceding video, of the 3-Dimensional folding and collapsing, and all the light concentrating in the direction of travel as someone approaches the speed of light, is known as the ‘headlight effect’.
To give us a better understanding as to what it would be like to exist in a higher dimension, this following video, Dr. Quantum in Flatland, also gives us a small insight as to what it would be like to exist in a higher dimension:
Of note, Anton Zeilinger’s Quantum group in Vienna use to feature the preceding video on their ‘outreach’ page in order to help people understand the concept of higher dimensions more easily.
Besides the tunnel curvature to a higher eternal dimension found in special relativity, we also have tunnel curvature to a very different eternal dimension in general relativity. The following video clip is very good for illustrating that tunnel curvature that is found in general relativity.
What makes the eternity of General Relativity profoundly different than the eternity found at Special Relativity, is that entropy, which is the primary reason why our material bodies grow old and eventually die in this temporal universe,,,
,,, entropy is found to be greatest at black holes. As the following article stated,, ‘supermassive black holes are the largest contributor to the observable universe’s entropy.’
The entropy associated with General Relativity, i.e. with Black Holes, is simply profoundly different than the entropy associated with Special Relativity, i.e. with Light, is. As Roger Penrose explains,
Moreover, Kip Thorne, (in what was basically an extension of Einstein’s original thought experiment that led to General Relativity), explains what would happen to a ‘hypothetical’ observer as that hypothetical’ observer descended into a black hole.
Moreover, besides ‘hypothetical’ observers being used as proxies in Special and General Relativity to stand in for ‘real’ observers, the Christian can also appeal to testimonies from Near Death experiences to validate that these eternities associated with both Special and General Relativity are, in fact, real, eternities and are not just ‘hypothetical’ eternities.
Specifically, many of the characteristics found in heavenly Near Death Experience testimonies are exactly what we would expect to see from what we now know to be physically true about Special Relativity.
For instance, many times people who have had a Near Death Experience mention that their perception of time was radically altered. In the following video clip, Mickey Robinson gives his Near Death testimony of what it felt like for him to experience a ‘timeless eternity’.
And here are a few more quotes from people who have experienced Near Death, that speak of how their perception of time was radically altered as they were outside of their material body during their NDEs.
As well, Near Death Experiencers also frequently mention going through a tunnel, towards an extremely brilliant light, i.e. ‘headlight effect’, to a higher heavenly dimension:
In the following video, Barbara Springer gives her testimony as to what it felt like for her to go through the tunnel towards ‘the light’:
And in the following audio clip, Vicki Noratuk, who has been blind from birth, (besides being able to ‘miraculously” see for the first time in her life during her Near Death Experience), Vicki also gives testimony of going through a tunnel at a ‘horrifically’ rapid rate of speed:
And in the following quotes, the two Near Death Experiencers both testify that they firmly believed that they were in a higher heavenly dimension that is above this three-dimensional world, and that the reason that they have a very difficult time explaining what their Near Death Experiences actually felt like is because we simply don’t currently have the words to properly describe that higher dimension:
That what we now know to be true from special relativity, (namely that it outlines a ‘timeless’, i.e. eternal, dimension that exists above this temporal dimension), would fit hand and glove with the personal testimonies of people who have had a deep heavenly NDEs is, needless to say, powerful evidence that their testimonies are, in fact, true and that they are accurately describing the ‘reality’ of a higher heavenly dimension, that they experienced first hand, and that they say exists above this temporal dimension.
I would even go so far as to say that such corroboration from ‘non-physicists’, who, in all likelihood, know nothing about the intricacies of special relativity, is a complete scientific verification of the overall validity of their personal NDE testimonies.
Likewise, although not nearly as numerous as heavenly testimonies, there are hellish testimonies from Near Death Experiences that also validate what we know know to be true from General Relativity.
In the following video clip, former atheist professor Howard Storm speaks of what eternity felt like for him in the hellish dimension:
And at the 7:00 minute mark of this video, Ron Reagan gives testimony of falling down a ‘tunnel’ towards hell:
And in this following video, Bill Wiese also speaks of ‘tumbling down’ a tunnel in his transition stage to hell:
And in this following video, Paul Ojeda also speaks of ‘falling’ towards hell at a extremely fast rate of speed:
It is also interesting to point out that, although Special Relativity can be unified with Quantum Mechanics, that General Relativity itself simply refuses to ever be mathematically unified with quantum mechanics in any realistic way,
In fact, mathematically speaking, there is found to be an ‘infinite divide’ between General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics that forever prevents them from being unified mathematically.
Professor Jeremy Bernstein states the situation as such, “there remains an irremediable difficulty. Every order reveals new types of infinities, and no finite number of renormalizations renders all the terms in the series finite.”
Moreover, it is not only that Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity have a infinite mathematical divide between them, it is also that Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity contradict each other to the point of literally blowing the entire universe apart.
And yet, despite both theories contradicting each other to the point of literally blowing the universe apart, the fact remains that quantum mechanics and general relativity are both tested to extreme levels of precision, (in fact, both general relativity and quantum mechanics are consider to be our most successful theories ever in the history of science),
And since quantum mechanics and general relativity are both tested to such an extreme level of precision, (and we can thus have a very high level of confidence that both theories are, in fact, true mathematical descriptions of reality), and since Godel’s incompleteness theorem itself requires something to be ‘outside the circle’ of mathematics,,,,
,,, then it is fairly safe to assume that there must be something very powerful that must be holding the universe together in order to keep it from blowing itself apart. ,,,
For the Christian this theoretical finding from our very best theories in science, (i.e. that something very powerful must be ‘outside the universe’ that is holding this universe together), should not be all that surprising to find out. Christianity, a couple of millennium before the zero/infinity conflict between the two theories was even known about, predicted that Christ is before all things, and in him all things hold together,,,
Dr. William Dembski in this following comment, although he was not directly addressing the ‘infinite’ mathematical conflict between General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, offers this insight into what the ‘unification’ of infinite God with finite man might look like mathematically:
And if we rightly allow the Agent causality of God ‘back’ into the picture of modern physics, as the Christian founders of modern science originally envisioned,,,, (Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday, James Clerk Maxwell, and Max Planck, to name a few of the Christian founders of modern science),,, and as quantum mechanics itself now empirically demands (with the closing of the free will loophole by Anton Zeilinger and company), rightly allowing the Agent causality of God ‘back’ into physics provides us with a very plausible resolution for the much sought after ‘theory of everything’ in that Christ’s resurrection from the dead provides an empirically backed reconciliation, via the Shroud of Turin, between quantum mechanics and general relativity into the much sought after ‘Theory of Everything”.
To give us a small glimpse of the power that was involved in Christ’s resurrection from the dead, the following recent article found that, ”it would take 34 Thousand Billion Watts of VUV radiations to make the image on the shroud. This output of electromagnetic energy remains beyond human technology.”
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Of supplemental note. Advances in quantum biology, besides falsifying Darwinian materialism, now offer compelling evidence that humans have a transcendent component to their being that is capable of living beyond the death of our material, temporal, bodies.
As Stuart Hameroff states in the following article, “the quantum information,,, isn’t destroyed. It can’t be destroyed.,,, it’s possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body. Perhaps indefinitely as a soul.”
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BA77:
Since God, not materialism and/or naturalism, is the basis of all physical reality, then the rejection of God by modern day scientists as an explanation for why the physical universe exists, and even as the explanation for why we ourselves exist, necessarily forces them to postulate explanations that are inherently ‘unreal’, illusory, and/or imaginary.
Bingo!
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@2: Christians, on the other hand, can appeal directly to Special Relativity, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics, (i.e. our most precisely tested theories ever in the history of science), to support their belief that God upholds this universe in its continual existence, as well as to support their belief in a heavenly dimension and in a hellish dimension.”
Bingo! again. My hunch is that they have things backwards here: i.e., black holes are not collapsed universes but spacetime that has collapsed to a very small volume. I believe that spacetime, each point of it, is connected to an infinite source of ‘energy.’ Let’s call this source of energy “God.” Now, we’re talking.
This, of course, means that an “infinite number of infinite universes” is nothing more than our universe, where each point is a universe of available energy and momentum. IOW, it’s much simpler to posit that there is a God Who exists than to posit that there is some kind of entangled infinite number of infinite universes. Ocham’s Razor favors the ‘God Thesis.’
Bornagain77,
Thanks for your posts. I looked at several of the links you provided and found them very interesting!
Incidentally, I’ve always wondered about the similarity between a black hole and what’s described in Revelation 9.
Various translations use different terms, but in the original, literal Greek, it reads
Plagues emerge from that well and the passage does on to mention that the abyss has a king–the angel of the abyss–who’s name is Abaddon in Hebrew and Apollyon in Greek, both of which mean destroyer or destruction.
Falling into a well is a terrible fate, but when the well is into “the abyss,” an image of chaos and a very high entropy state comes to mind–much like a black hole.
Incidentally, the abyss is first introduced in Genesis 1:2 as “the deep” as in a deep dark ocean, and I can imagine the darkness in the abyssopelagic zone with its crushing pressures. According to the Genesis passage, God spoke two words over the surface of the dark abyss, “Exist. Light” and there was light.
-Q