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Researchers: Surface bubbles could have somehow become Earth’s first cells. Hey, James Tour will LOVE this — um, not!


Notice all the qualification in the proposal:

Primitive “protocells” like those that evolved into the first living cells can form in bubbles on mineral surfaces that were plentiful on the early Earth, according to new research.

The researchers created artificial protocells that they believe may be similar to the protocells that may have formed on Earth about 3.8 billion years ago. The artificial protocells can absorb other small molecules by forming a barrier membrane around them — behavior that is strikingly like that of modern living cells when they absorb cellular fuel and other essential materials while blocking off harmful substances.

And the artificial protocells also exhibit a primitive form of “division,” where the outer membrane of a protocell ruptures and leaves behind several “daughter” protocells with the same capabilities.

“The role of solid surfaces in the in the context of the origin of life, specifically with respect to the development of primitive cell compartments, has been largely overlooked in the past,” biochemist Irep Gözen of the University of Oslo wrote in an email. “But it appears that they can drive some amazing transformations.”

Tom Metcalfe, “Surface Bubbles Could Have Evolved into Earth’s First Cells” at Inside Science

The conference paper is closed access.

Origin of life and Darwinian evolution seem to attract the airiest, flimsiest speculations. Is it just a coincidence or could there be a reason for that?

Here’s James Tour’s Episode 7 on Peptides:

Announcement: A few minutes ago, I successfully created the earliest life forms in a test tube!!!! With some good connections, I should be able to get a Nobel prize for my work. 1. By filling the test tube with water and shaking it vigorously, bubbles were formed spontaneously! In the early earth, a hot meteorite or some lava musta hit the sea, vaporizing the water releasing millions of bubbles. Also, the churning action of the sea due to wind and tidal action can also spontaneously form new bubbles abiogenetically. 2. These bubbles have a simple metabolism by bullaphagy when a larger bubble combines with a smaller one. Also, gases can pass into and out of the bubble due to thermo-capillary convection. 3. Bubbles exhibit reproduction when due to mechanical excitement, they split in half, forming exact copies of themselves--the earliest form of biological fission. 4. Bubble behavior, while simple in mechanistic terms compared with a university professor for example, is still a form of observable deterministic behavior including a strong desire to move upwards to the top and to go with the flow. 5. Bubble evolution musta occurred when random, dissolved amino acids were absorbed by trillions of bubbles over billions of years. While highly improbable to begin with, the chances for each successive step are still finite and, using probability in the multiverse and the anthropic principle, were inevitable. The evolutionary steps between a collection of air bubbles and a university are left as an exercise to the reader. They will eventually all be found and form a smooth continuum of Life on Earth! -Q Querius
. When the whole of our universal evidence (not to mention experimentally-verified prediction) clearly requires that a system of symbols and a set of interpretive constraints be organized at the origin of life in order to specify a) the constraints themselves, as well as b) a dissipative process to have them successfully reproduced ... then bubbles on rocks must be a truly inspiring distraction. Upright BiPed
Sounds very similar to this idea from 2011: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110207073744.htm My archive of failed OOL ideas is now up to 32 and counting...and I'm sure it's nowhere near complete. EDTA
Somewhere out there, I can hear Don Ho crooning away at "Tiny Bubbles." OldArmy94
We have been toting this for years It’s kind of annoying to see it “resurface” Bah dum cha AaronS1978
As to "Cell Construction & The Assembly Problem" which Dr. Tour wrapped up his lecture series with, previously Dr. Tour has elucidated the assembly problem facing OOL researchers with this thought experiment,
(July 2019) "We have no idea how to put this structure (a simple cell) together.,, So, not only do we not know how to make the basic components, we do not know how to build the structure even if we were given the basic components. So the gedanken (thought) experiment is this. Even if I gave you all the components. Even if I gave you all the amino acids. All the protein structures from those amino acids that you wanted. All the lipids in the purity that you wanted. The DNA. The RNA. Even in the sequence you wanted. I've even given you the code. And all the nucleic acids. So now I say, "Can you now assemble a cell, not in a prebiotic cesspool but in your nice laboratory?". And the answer is a resounding NO! And if anybody claims otherwise they do not know this area (of research).” - James Tour: The Origin of Life Has Not Been Explained - 4:20 minute mark (The more we know, the worse the problem gets for materialists) https://youtu.be/r4sP1E1Jd_Y?t=255 Origin of Life: An Inside Story - Professor James Tour – May 1, 2016 Excerpt: “All right, now let’s assemble the Dream Team. We’ve got good professors here, so let’s assemble the Dream Team. Let’s further assume that the world’s top 100 synthetic chemists, top 100 biochemists and top 100 evolutionary biologists combined forces into a limitlessly funded Dream Team. The Dream Team has all the carbohydrates, lipids, amino acids and nucleic acids stored in freezers in their laboratories… All of them are in 100% enantiomer purity. [Let’s] even give the team all the reagents they wish, the most advanced laboratories, and the analytical facilities, and complete scientific literature, and synthetic and natural non-living coupling agents. Mobilize the Dream Team to assemble the building blocks into a living system – nothing complex, just a single cell. The members scratch their heads and walk away, frustrated… So let’s help the Dream Team out by providing the polymerized forms: polypeptides, all the enzymes they desire, the polysaccharides, DNA and RNA in any sequence they desire, cleanly assembled. The level of sophistication in even the simplest of possible living cells is so chemically complex that we are even more clueless now than with anything discussed regarding prebiotic chemistry or macroevolution. The Dream Team will not know where to start. Moving all this off Earth does not solve the problem, because our physical laws are universal. You see the problem for the chemists? Welcome to my world. This is what I’m confronted with, every day.“ James Tour – leading Chemist - per uncommon descent
What Dr. Tour touched upon in that preceding video and comment is the fact that having the correct sequential information in DNA is not nearly enough. Besides having the correct the sequential information in DNA there is also a vast amount of ‘positional information’ that must be accounted for as well. The positional information that is found to be in a simple one cell bacterium, when working from the thermodynamic perspective, is found to be on the order 10 to the 12 bits,,, which is several orders of magnitude more information than the amount of sequential information that is encoded on the DNA of a ‘simple’ bacterium.
Molecular Biophysics – Information theory. Relation between information and entropy: – Setlow-Pollard, Ed. Addison Wesley Excerpt: Linschitz gave the figure 9.3 x 10^12 cal/deg or 9.3 x 10^12 x 4.2 joules/deg for the entropy of a bacterial cell. Using the relation H = S/(k In 2), we find that the information content is 4 x 10^12 bits. Morowitz’ deduction from the work of Bayne-Jones and Rhees gives the lower value of 5.6 x 10^11 bits, which is still in the neighborhood of 10^12 bits. Thus two quite different approaches give rather concordant figures. https://docs.google.com/document/d/18hO1bteXTPOqQtd2H12PI5wFFoTjwg8uBAU5N0nEQIE/edit
,,, Which is the equivalent of 100 million pages of Encyclopedia Britannica. ‘In comparison,,, the largest libraries in the world,, have about 10 million volumes or 10^12 bits.”
“a one-celled bacterium, e. coli, is estimated to contain the equivalent of 100 million pages of Encyclopedia Britannica. Expressed in information in science jargon, this would be the same as 10^12 bits of information. In comparison, the total writings from classical Greek Civilization is only 10^9 bits, and the largest libraries in the world – The British Museum, Oxford Bodleian Library, New York Public Library, Harvard Widenier Library, and the Moscow Lenin Library – have about 10 million volumes or 10^12 bits.” – R. C. Wysong – The Creation-evolution Controversy ‘The information content of a simple cell has been estimated as around 10^12 bits, comparable to about a hundred million pages of the Encyclopedia Britannica.” Carl Sagan, “Life” in Encyclopedia Britannica: Macropaedia (1974 ed.), pp. 893-894
And, despite the claims from Darwinists that thermodynamics does not present that big of a problem for a naturalistic origin of life, the fact of the matter is that thermodynamics does indeed present an insurmountable problem for any naturalistic origin of life scenario (and even presents an insurmountable problem for any 'naturalistic' embryogenesis scenario). As Dr. Brian Miller comments,
“‘Professor Dave’ argues that the origin of life does not face thermodynamic hurdles. He states that natural systems often spontaneously increase in order, such as water freezing or soap molecules forming micelles (e.g., spheres or bilayers), He is making the very common mistake that he fails to recognize that the formation of the cell represents both a dramatic decrease in entropy and an equally dramatic increase in energy. In contrast, water freezing represents both a decrease in entropy but also a decrease in energy. More specifically, the process of freezing releases heat that increases the entropy of the surrounding environment by an amount greater than the entropy decrease of the water molecule forming the rigid structure. Likewise, soap molecules coalescing into micelles represents a net increase of entropy since the surrounding water molecules significantly increase in their number of degrees of freedom. No system without assistance ever moves both toward lower entropy and higher energy which is required for the formation of a cell.” – Brian Miller, Ph. D. – MIT – Episode 0/13: Reasons // A Course on Abiogenesis by Dr. James Tour - February 2021 - Only Intelligence can overcome the 'thermodynamic hurdle' that prevents non-life from ever forming a 'simple' cell. https://uncommondesc.wpengine.com/intelligent-design/the-origin-of-life-problem-is-forever-on-the-verge-of-being-solved/#comment-724502
More interesting still, classical “sequential’ information has now 'thermodynamically' been shown to be a subset of quantum 'positional' information by the following method. Specifically, in the following 2011 paper. researchers ,,, show that when the bits (in a computer) to be deleted are quantum-mechanically entangled with the state of an observer, then the observer could even withdraw heat from the system while deleting the bits. Entanglement links the observer’s state to that of the computer in such a way that they know more about the memory than is possible in classical physics.,,, In measuring entropy, one should bear in mind that (in quantum information theory) an object does not have a certain amount of entropy per se, instead an object’s entropy is always dependent on the observer.
Quantum knowledge cools computers: New understanding of entropy – June 1, 2011 Excerpt: Recent research by a team of physicists,,, describe,,, how the deletion of data, under certain conditions, can create a cooling effect instead of generating heat. The cooling effect appears when the strange quantum phenomenon of entanglement is invoked.,,, The new study revisits Landauer’s principle for cases when the values of the bits to be deleted may be known. When the memory content is known, it should be possible to delete the bits in such a manner that it is theoretically possible to re-create them. It has previously been shown that such reversible deletion would generate no heat. In the new paper, the researchers go a step further. They show that when the bits to be deleted are quantum-mechanically entangled with the state of an observer, then the observer could even withdraw heat from the system while deleting the bits. Entanglement links the observer’s state to that of the computer in such a way that they know more about the memory than is possible in classical physics.,,, In measuring entropy, one should bear in mind that an object does not have a certain amount of entropy per se, instead an object’s entropy is always dependent on the observer. Applied to the example of deleting data, this means that if two individuals delete data in a memory and one has more knowledge of this data, she perceives the memory to have lower entropy and can then delete the memory using less energy.,,, No heat, even a cooling effect; In the case of perfect classical knowledge of a computer memory (zero entropy), deletion of the data requires in theory no energy at all. The researchers prove that “more than complete knowledge” from quantum entanglement with the memory (negative entropy) leads to deletion of the data being accompanied by removal of heat from the computer and its release as usable energy. This is the physical meaning of negative entropy. Renner emphasizes, however, “This doesn’t mean that we can develop a perpetual motion machine.” The data can only be deleted once, so there is no possibility to continue to generate energy. The process also destroys the entanglement, and it would take an input of energy to reset the system to its starting state. The equations are consistent with what’s known as the second law of thermodynamics: the idea that the entropy of the universe can never decrease. Vedral says “We’re working on the edge of the second law. If you go any further, you will break it.” http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110601134300.htm
And in regards to this vast amount of 'thermodynamic' positional information that must somehow be accounted for in order to explain a simple cell, in the following 2010 experimental realization of Maxwell’s demon thought experiment, it was demonstrated that knowledge of a particle’s location and/or position converts information into energy.
Maxwell’s demon demonstration turns information into energy – November 2010 Excerpt: Scientists in Japan are the first to have succeeded in converting information into free energy in an experiment that verifies the “Maxwell demon” thought experiment devised in 1867.,,, In Maxwell’s thought experiment the demon creates a temperature difference simply from information about the gas molecule temperatures and without transferring any energy directly to them.,,, Until now, demonstrating the conversion of information to energy has been elusive, but University of Tokyo physicist Masaki Sano and colleagues have succeeded in demonstrating it in a nano-scale experiment. In a paper published in Nature Physics they describe how they coaxed a Brownian particle to travel upwards on a “spiral-staircase-like” potential energy created by an electric field solely on the basis of information on its location. As the particle traveled up the staircase it gained energy from moving to an area of higher potential, and the team was able to measure precisely how much energy had been converted from information. http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-11-maxwell-demon-energy.html
And as the following 2010 article stated about the preceding experiment, “This is a beautiful experimental demonstration that information has a thermodynamic content,”
Demonic device converts information to energy – 2010 Excerpt: “This is a beautiful experimental demonstration that information has a thermodynamic content,” says Christopher Jarzynski, a statistical chemist at the University of Maryland in College Park. In 1997, Jarzynski formulated an equation to define the amount of energy that could theoretically be converted from a unit of information2; the work by Sano and his team has now confirmed this equation. “This tells us something new about how the laws of thermodynamics work on the microscopic scale,” says Jarzynski. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=demonic-device-converts-inform
And as the following 2017 article states: James Clerk Maxwell (said), “The idea of dissipation of energy depends on the extent of our knowledge.”,,, quantum information theory,,, describes the spread of information through quantum systems.,,, Fifteen years ago, “we thought of entropy as a property of a thermodynamic system,” he said. “Now in (quantum) information theory, we wouldn’t say entropy is a property of a system, but a property of an observer who describes a system.”,,,
The Quantum Thermodynamics Revolution – May 2017 Excerpt: the 19th-century physicist James Clerk Maxwell put it, “The idea of dissipation of energy depends on the extent of our knowledge.” In recent years, a revolutionary understanding of thermodynamics has emerged that explains this subjectivity using quantum information theory — “a toddler among physical theories,” as del Rio and co-authors put it, that describes the spread of information through quantum systems. Just as thermodynamics initially grew out of trying to improve steam engines, today’s thermodynamicists are mulling over the workings of quantum machines. Shrinking technology — a single-ion engine and three-atom fridge were both experimentally realized for the first time within the past year — is forcing them to extend thermodynamics to the quantum realm, where notions like temperature and work lose their usual meanings, and the classical laws don’t necessarily apply. They’ve found new, quantum versions of the laws that scale up to the originals. Rewriting the theory from the bottom up has led experts to recast its basic concepts in terms of its subjective nature, and to unravel the deep and often surprising relationship between energy and information — the abstract 1s and 0s by which physical states are distinguished and knowledge is measured.,,, Renato Renner, a professor at ETH Zurich in Switzerland, described this as a radical shift in perspective. Fifteen years ago, “we thought of entropy as a property of a thermodynamic system,” he said. “Now in (quantum) information theory, we wouldn’t say entropy is a property of a system, but a property of an observer who describes a system.”,,, https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-thermodynamics-revolution/
Again to repeat that last sentence,“Now in (quantum) information theory, we wouldn’t say entropy is a property of a system, but a property of an observer who describes a system.”,,, That statement about entropy being a property of an observer who describes the system, for anyone involved in the ID vs. Darwinism debate, ought to send chills down their scientific spine. In other words, Intelligent Design, and a fairly direct inference to God as the Intelligence behind life, (via the non-locality of quantum information and/or the non-locality of quantum entanglement, which is ubiquitous within life), has, for all intents and purposes, finally achieved experimental confirmation.
Darwinian Materialism vs. Quantum Biology – Part II - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSig2CsjKbg
John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. Mark 8:37 Is anything worth more than your soul?
8 - Nucleotides: https://youtu.be/CYiguQYCSio 9 - Intermediate Summary & a Call to Colleagues: https://youtu.be/ImPxfmKrmoY 10 - Lipids: https://youtu.be/QTQd5Ifqv2g 11 - Chiral-induced Spin Selectivity: https://youtu.be/VKEZSfuMgL0 12.1 - Cell Construction & The Assembly Problem, Part 1: https://youtu.be/IaJo5jWs_6k 12.2 - Cell Construction & The Assembly Problem, Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDayvhch_W4&list=PLILWudw_84t2THBvJZFyuLA0qvxwrIBDr&index=3 13 - Summary & Projections: TBA bornagain77
Here is Dr. Tour's entire video playlist: 0 - Reasons for this Series: https://youtu.be/71dqAFUb-v0 1 - Introduction to Abiogenesis: https://youtu.be/NqoVxwdWWpg 2 - Primordial Soup: https://youtu.be/tNbl-g8QoAg 3 - Hype: https://youtu.be/Q6b76XQQN00 4 - Homochirality: https://youtu.be/tqbpd3CmBgE 5 - Carbohydrates: https://youtu.be/rdqd_EvpsZM 6 - Building Blocks of Building Blocks: https://youtu.be/CCf-OfFpS_k 7 - Peptides: https://youtu.be/0Hv6KjB0j8Y bornagain77
"The researchers created" tells the whole story. They didn't observe a bubbly surface and see protocells evolving on their own. polistra
Here we go again: "Surface Bubbles Could Have Somehow Become Earth’s First Cells" How many Darwinian clowns are there? Stupid stupid stupid ... Bubbles???? Does this Darwinian clown even understand what he is talking about? When this Darwinian craziness will end? So far, I have watched 12/13 episodes from James Tour's OOL-lectures. Dr. Tour did a great job, taking his valuable time to record all these videos for us. These lectures are devastating for Darwinian theory... now even 5 years old child can clearly see, that none of 4 building blocks of life arose spontaneously, means, THE LIFE WAS CREATED ... UNDENIABLY... only very stupid self-deceptive persons can think otherwise (after watching all these episodes). Darwinism = a miracle after a miracle after a miracle after a miracle... obviously, Darwinists are very religious people... Dr. Tour lectures start here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71dqAFUb-v0 PS: Many thanks to Darwinian clown who calls himself 'professor' Dave, for provoking and attacking Dr. Tour .... if 'professor' Dave with his 1,000,000 youtube-followers would not exist, most likely, Dr. Tour would not shoot the videos. So once gain, many thanks 'professor' Dave. martin_r

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