Sabine Hossenfelder on experiments that could prove Einstein wrong

17 Replies to “Sabine Hossenfelder on experiments that could prove Einstein wrong”

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   awstar says:

   March 27, 2022 at 5:11 am

   Sabine Hossenfelder said: “if you formulate the mathematics correctly it tells you how nature works, and that may not be how even its inventor thought it would work. It also tells us it could take a really long time to understand a theory”

   Maybe every one needs to go back 1,800 years and start over to revisit the possibility that the earth is at absolute rest relative to a universe that revolves around it every 24 hours. Maybe they will find the things that they can’t find now, like aether, dark energy, dark mass, centrifugal force, the true source of gravity — and maybe even God.

   “…the theoretical concepts of length contraction, time dilation, Lorentz invariance, Lorentz’s transformations, covariant and invariant laws, Minkowski metric, four-dimensional space-time, energy-momentum tensor, Riemannian geometry applied to physics, Schwarzschild line element, tensorial algebras in four-dimensional spaces, quadrivectors, metric tensor g??, proper time, contravariant four vectors and tensors, geodetic lines, Christoffel symbols, super strings, curvature of space, etc. have the same role as the epicycles in the Ptolemaic theory” (Andre K. T. Assis, Relational Mechanics, p. 159).
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   Seversky says:

   March 27, 2022 at 11:05 am

   “Darwinism” is a structure made from the dried stalks of cereal plants which is no doubt very pleasant beat up but has little to do with science.

   What would be most helpful would be for ID/creationism proponents to contact their respective Designers/God and ask them if they wouldn’t mind providing us with a little more information about the structure and working principles of this – or any other – Universe as they seem to have forgotten to include a user manual with this one. If it wouldn’t be too much trouble.
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   bornagain77 says:

   March 27, 2022 at 11:20 am

   As to: “We don’t know how matter manages to gravitate even though the fact that matter *does gravitate is the most basic observation about physics that we make in our daily life.”

   Well seeing that it is now known that mass is not an intrinsic property of matter, I can see why Hossenfelder put an asterisk in her remark, “matter *does gravitate”, without providing an precise explanation for her use of an asterisk at the end of her article.

   39:00 minute mark:
   “Mass turns out not to be an intrinsic property of matter either” (mass is a phenomenological artifact of field interactions, i.e. specifically ‘otherwise massless particles’ interacting with the Higg’s field)
   – Bruce Gordon: –
   The Incompatibility of Physicalism with Physics: A Conversation with Dr. Bruce Gordon
   https://youtu.be/wk-UO81HmO4?t=2344
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   AaronS1978 says:

   March 27, 2022 at 12:28 pm

   The last time we had contact with a perspective “creator” we beat him, humiliated him, and tortured him to death for being helpful, sooooooooo yeah, would not shocked if our number might have been block till further notice
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   bornagain77 says:

   March 27, 2022 at 2:14 pm

   Sabine Hossenfelder holds out hope, (in spite of the fact that general relativity has steadfastly resisted all attempts to experimentally falsify it), that a single mathematical ‘theory of everything’ will be forthcoming if general relativity manages to be experimentally overturned,

   “This is why most physicists currently believe that general relativity has a quantum version, often called “quantum gravity”, just that no one has yet managed to write down the equations for it.,,,
   What would it be good for to prove Einstein wrong? Well, first of all it would give us experimental guidance to develop a (mathematical) theory of quantum gravity, and that could help us understand the quantum properties of space and time, as well as what’s inside black holes or what happened at the big bang.”
   – Sabine Hossenfelder

   Yet Sabine Hossenfelder is a Darwinian atheist who believes that God has “no observable consequences.”

   Does God exist? Science does not have an answer – Hossenbfelder – June 2019
   Excerpt: Say, if you believe that evolution does not happen, or that praying cures cancer, and so on. If you want to defend such beliefs, you are in the wrong channel, good bye.,,
   Now, as we discussed previously, scientists say something “exists” if it is an element of a theory that is useful to explain observations. The Higgs-boson exists in this very sense. So do black holes and gravitational waves. ,,,
   Personally, I am not sure what sense it makes to postulate the existence of something (God) that has no observable consequences.
   http://backreaction.blogspot.c.....-have.html

   And yet, as a Darwinian atheist who holds that God has “no observable consequences”, Hossenfelder is then left completely in the dark as to explaining exactly why the immaterial world of mathematics should even be applicable to the physical universe in the first place.

   In fact, both Eugene Wigner, (who won a Nobel prize for his work in quantum mechanics), and Albert Einstein, (who needs no introduction), are both on record as to regarding it as a miracle that mathematics should even be applicable to the universe.

   Moreover, Wigner, in the process of calling the applicability of mathematics a miracle, rightly called into question the ability of natural selection to produce our ‘reasoning power to the perfection which it seems to possess.’.

   The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences – Eugene Wigner – 1960
   Excerpt: ,,certainly it is hard to believe that our reasoning power was brought, by Darwin’s process of natural selection, to the perfection which it seems to possess.,,,
   It is difficult to avoid the impression that a miracle confronts us here, quite comparable in its striking nature to the miracle that the human mind can string a thousand arguments together without getting itself into contradictions, or to the two miracles of the existence of laws of nature and of the human mind’s capacity to divine them.,,,
   The miracle of the appropriateness of the language of mathematics for the formulation of the laws of physics is a wonderful gift which we neither understand nor deserve. We should be grateful for it and hope that it will remain valid in future research and that it will extend, for better or for worse, to our pleasure, even though perhaps also to our bafflement, to wide branches of learning.
   https://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~v1ranick/papers/wigner.pdf

   As well, Einstein, in the process of calling it a miracle, chastised ‘professional atheists’ for erroneously believing they had “successfully rid the world of gods”

   On the Rational Order of the World: a Letter to Maurice Solovine – Albert Einstein – March 30, 1952
   Excerpt: “You find it strange that I consider the comprehensibility of the world (to the extent that we are authorized to speak of such a comprehensibility) as a miracle or as an eternal mystery. Well, a priori, one should expect a chaotic world, which cannot be grasped by the mind in any way .. the kind of order created by Newton’s theory of gravitation, for example, is wholly different. Even if a man proposes the axioms of the theory, the success of such a project presupposes a high degree of ordering of the objective world, and this could not be expected a priori. That is the ‘miracle’ which is constantly reinforced as our knowledge expands.
   There lies the weakness of positivists and professional atheists who are elated because they feel that they have not only successfully rid the world of gods but “bared the miracles.”
   -Albert Einstein
   http://inters.org/Einstein-Letter-Solovine

   And the last time a checked, miracles are considered the sole province of God.

   mir·a·cle
   noun
   a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.
   “the miracle of rising from the grave”

   Thus, although Sabine Hossenfelder may personally hold that God has “no observable consequences”, it readily appears that God has been very ‘sloppy’ in trying to conceal Himself from Hossenfelder in that God is, apparently, not shy about revealing Himself to her in the ‘miraculous’ mathematical equations that she herself is using to try to understand the ‘orderly’ universe that He has created.

   Supplemental notes:

   Keep It Simple – Feser – 2020
   Excerpt: Mathematics appears to describe a realm of entities with quasi-­divine attributes. The series of natural numbers is infinite. That one and one equal two and two and two equal four could not have been otherwise. Such mathematical truths never begin being true or cease being true; they hold eternally and immutably. The lines, planes, and figures studied by the geometer have a kind of perfection that the objects of our ­experience lack. Mathematical objects seem immaterial and known by pure reason rather than through the senses. Given the centrality of mathematics to scientific explanation, it seems in some way to be a cause of the natural world and its order.
   How can the mathematical realm be so apparently godlike? The traditional answer, originating in Neoplatonic philosophy and Augustinian theology, is that our knowledge of the mathematical realm is precisely knowledge, albeit inchoate, of the divine mind. Mathematical truths exhibit infinity, necessity, eternity, immutability, perfection, and immateriality because they are God’s thoughts, and they have such explanatory power in scientific theorizing because they are part of the blueprint implemented by God in creating the world. For some thinkers in this tradition, mathematics thus provides the starting point for an argument for the existence of God qua supreme intellect.
   https://www.firstthings.com/article/2020/04/keep-it-simple

   Jesus Christ’s (resurrection from the dead) as the correct “Theory of Everything” – video
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpn2Vu8–eE

   Verse:

   Colossians 1:15-20
   The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
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   Belfast says:

   March 27, 2022 at 3:45 pm

   Once more, Seversky gibbers from Planet Irrelevant.
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   Seversky says:

   March 27, 2022 at 6:41 pm

   AaronS1978/4

   The last time we had contact with a perspective “creator” we beat him, humiliated him, and tortured him to death for being helpful, sooooooooo yeah, would not shocked if our number might have been block till further notice

   So, an omniscient, omnipotent, immortal being capable of creating – and, presumably, destroying – entire universes – can be harmed in the slightest by puny creatures like us? I don’t think so. That would be like God making a rock so heavy He can’t lift it. Ever heard of a contradiction?
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   Seversky says:

   March 27, 2022 at 7:12 pm

   Bornagain77/5

   Sabine Hossenfelder holds out hope, (in spite of the fact that general relativity has steadfastly resisted all attempts to experimentally falsify it), that a single mathematical ‘theory of everything’ will be forthcoming if general relativity manages to be experimentally overturned,

   There is a real problem reconciling relativity with quantum theory. Something is wrong somewhere, as you’ve mentioned before. You seem to think the solution lies in the Shroud of Turin but the reasons why are a bit vague.

   And yet, as a Darwinian atheist who holds that God has “no observable consequences”, Hossenfelder is then left completely in the dark as to explaining exactly why the immaterial world of mathematics should even be applicable to the physical universe in the first place.

   Perhaps that’s why the title of her video is a question. She’s pointing out that, good as quantum and relativity theories are, they still leave profound questions for which we do not have answers as yet. No one does.

   In fact, both Eugene Wigner, (who won a Nobel prize for his work in quantum mechanics), and Albert Einstein, (who needs no introduction), are both on record as to regarding it as a miracle that mathematics should even be applicable to the universe.

   Yes, meaning that neither of them had an explanation for that yet, not that there wasn’t one.

   Moreover, Wigner, in the process of calling the applicability of mathematics a miracle, rightly called into question the ability of natural selection to produce our ‘reasoning power to the perfection which it seems to possess.

   Wigner was a theoretical physicist not a god – although some of them seem to think they are pretty close to one and so, apparently, do you. He was not an evolutionary biologist. He had no explanation for how our consciousness and powers of reason could have emerged through evolutionary processes? Well, join the club. Maybe, instead of implying that because he couldn’t think of an explanation there couldn’t be one, he could have lent his giant intellect to the search for one.

   As well, Einstein, in the process of calling it a miracle, chastised ‘professional atheists’ for erroneously believing they had “successfully rid the world of gods”

   Of course. Ridding the world of gods as an explanation, does not of itself provide an alternative explanation. But it might be a step in the right direction.

   Thus, although Sabine Hossenfelder may personally hold that God has “no observable consequences”, it readily appears that God has been very ‘sloppy’ in trying to conceal Himself from Hossenfelder in that God is, apparently, not shy about revealing Himself to her in the ‘miraculous’ mathematical equations that she herself is using to try to understand the ‘orderly’ universe that He has created.

   It doesn’t seem a bit odd to you that a God who, in Biblical times, was willing to drop in for a chat with us whenever the mood took him, is now so coy about having any contact with us whatsoever?
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   bornagain77 says:

   March 27, 2022 at 7:19 pm

   Sev: “Ever heard of a contradiction?”

   Like the logical contradiction of an atheist claiming that morality does not exist and yet acting like he has an objective moral basis to judge God by?

   “The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”
   – Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life

   Atheism’s Odd Relationship with Morality By Rabbi Adam Jacobs – 2011
   Excerpt: As Dr. Will Provine has said, “[as an atheist] you give up hope that there is an imminent morality … you can’t hope for there being any free will [and there is] … no ultimate foundation for ethics.”
   https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-adam-jacobs/atheisms-odd-relationship_b_839352.html

   The moral argument is summed up at the 4:36 minute mark of the video and can be stated as such:

   Premise 1: If God does not exist, then objective moral values and duties do not exist.
   Premise 2: Objective moral values and duties do exist.
   Conclusion: Therefore, God exists.
   The Moral Argument – drcraigvideos – video
   https://youtu.be/OxiAikEk2vU?t=276

   Verse:

   Romans 5:8
   But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

   John 15:13
   Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
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    bornagain77 says:

    March 27, 2022 at 7:32 pm

    Seversky states, “It doesn’t seem a bit odd to you that a God who, in Biblical times, was willing to drop in for a chat with us whenever the mood took him, is now so coy about having any contact with us whatsoever?”

    Well actually Seversky, God is not nearly as ‘coy’ and distant as you falsely believe. I know several people, myself included, who have had ‘spiritual experiences’ with God that let them know that God is not ‘coy’ and distant but is instead very close and personal to each of us.

    Here is my personal testimony:

    Strange But True
    I served in the Air Force back in the 1980’s. I worked on jet engines. When I got out of the service, I landed a job working for General Electric (GE) working on some of the most advanced jet aircraft in the world. I loved that job. Besides being well paying, I was very much honored to work on America’s top stealth aircraft. And I was well qualified for that job having spent 4 years in the Air Force.
    Yet, I had a problem with alcohol and drugs that was getting worse and worse as time went along. To the point that that problem ended up negatively affecting my work performance. Long story short, I ended up losing my dream job at GE.
    That evening, when I got home after losing my job, I was just numb. Devastated but just numb.
    Anyway, in my devastation I picked up my (very dusty) Bible. To this day, I do not know why I picked my Bible up at that particular time in my life. It was not like I was in a particular habit of reading my Bible. In fact, throughout my entire service in the Air Force I remember picking my Bible up only once. And that was because my roommate had asked me to see what John 3:16 actually meant during a football game. (They used to hold John 3:16 up in the end zones during professional football games back then).

    Yet, at that moment, as I began to read the Bible, and as clear as day, a miracle happened. That inanimate book, i.e. the Holy Bible, became alive and the words I was reading out of the bible at that very moment were speaking directly to me as if a living person were speaking directly to me.

    I was shocked to put it mildly. I ran my finger over the passage that I had just read, the passage that had spoken directly to me, and it felt as if someone had just opened a window on the passage I had read. The rest of the page felt normal, like paper, but that passage felt mysteriously cool and breezy.

    I knew in no uncertain terms, at that very moment, that God was really real and that He was and is very much a personal God who cares very deeply for each of us.

    Fast forward a few years later. I had relapsed into drinking and using. It was in the summer of 1993, I was down and out in Ft. Myers, Florida. This was about the second year that I was homeless. I was staying at the Salvation Army in Ft. Myers working temporary day labor and paying 8 bucks a night to stay at the homeless shelter. Since AA had failed me, I had come up with another idea to help me defeat the destructive desires for drinking and using that had kept me broke and bound to the homeless street life. I was finally going to read the Bible cover to cover. Surely, this would cure me once and for all of my destructive desires.

    Every night before I would go to sleep I made sure that I would read through at least 30 minutes worth of the Bible. This was done in my bunk in the open dormitory of the salvation army. Well, after about a month or 6 weeks of reading in this fashion, I was getting pretty far along into the Bible and had pretty much established myself, among the guys staying in the dorm with me, as some sort of Jesus Freak.

    One evening a man, who like me wasn’t fairing to well in this world, comes up to my bunk as I was reading the Bible. He angrily says something to this effect, “Where Is God? Just where is God? If I knew where God was my life would be alright.” Calmly I told him the truth “Well I know that it may sound strange to you, but sometimes when I really need it, God seems to speak directly to me from the Bible, giving me guidance and comfort, and I believe that He may speak directly to you since you seem to be in a pretty bad spot.” Then I closed my Bible and handed it to him. Then he asks me “Do you mean like this?” and he just randomly flips the Bible open, but instead of gently reading the first words that his eyes landed on, as I thought he would do, he went and stabbed his finger down onto the page that the Bible had fell open to. Then, he looks over to me and asks me “Like this?” I nervously, in spite of my reservations of the brazenness of his act, indicated that “I guess that will work.”.

    Well his boldness paid off for his finger landed right on top of Job 23:3 which says “Oh, that I knew where I might find God, that I might come to His seat!”, (In fact that entire passage in Job 23 was related to his particular situation).

    Needless to say, we both were in awe about God, the creator of the universe, personally revealing Himself to him in the ‘Living Word’ that clearly.

    We even went to the chaplain of the Salvation Army that evening, told the chaplain what just happened and got him his very own Bible from the chaplain.

    Here are some other examples of the different, and ‘strange’, ways God has chosen to speak into different people’s lives,,,:

    Good Morning America “GodWinks – When God let’s you know He’s thinking of you” – video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYJRddhzFG4

    (GodWinks) SQuire Rushnell & daughter of Emmett Kelly on FOX & FRIENDS 6/16/13
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....9xPfNtbrqw

    Eric Metaxas – Miracles
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtsHFc2fHOI

    Eric Metaxas | Miracles: What They Are, Why They Happen, and How They Can Change Your Life
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9fkUFrikFo

    One of John Lennox´s Great Personal Stories Told to Harvard Students – video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh0M0EG2jKY

    Dr. Janis Amatuzio author of FOREVER OURS – video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtnywJHLrLY

    Do Miracles Happen Today? Yes! The Latest Evidence. – Dr. Craig Keener – Oct. 2021
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFZJ5M53r4

    Verse and quote:

    Isaiah 45:18-19
    For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens, who is God, who formed the earth and made it, who established it, who did not create it in vain, who formed it to be inhabited: “I am the Lord, and there is no other. I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth; I did not say to the seed of Jacob, ‘seek me in vain’; I, the Lord speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.”

    The Easter Question – Eben Alexander, M.D. – Harvard – March 2013
    Excerpt: More than ever since my near death experience, I consider myself a Christian -,,,
    Now, I can tell you that if someone had asked me, in the days before my NDE, what I thought of this (Easter) story, I would have said that it was lovely. But it remained just that — a story. To say that the physical body of a man who had been brutally tortured and killed could simply get up and return to the world a few days later is to contradict every fact we know about the universe. It wasn’t simply an unscientific idea. It was a downright anti-scientific one.
    But it is an idea that I now believe. Not in a lip-service way. Not in a dress-up-it’s-Easter kind of way. I believe it with all my heart, and all my soul.,,
    We are, really and truly, made in God’s image. But most of the time we are sadly unaware of this fact. We are unconscious both of our intimate kinship with God, and of His constant presence with us. On the level of our everyday consciousness, this is a world of separation — one where people and objects move about, occasionally interacting with each other, but where essentially we are always alone.
    But this cold dead world of separate objects is an illusion. It’s not the world we actually live in.,,,
    ,,He (God) is right here with each of us right now, seeing what we see, suffering what we suffer… and hoping desperately that we will keep our hope and faith in Him. Because that hope and faith will be triumphant.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....79741.html
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    BobRyan says:

    March 28, 2022 at 2:01 am

    Sev,

    Every time you turn on a light or look at the stars is evidence of God. Energy cannot be created, yet the eternal force exists. Until anyone can prove that energy can come about randomly, God must be the solution.
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    BobRyan says:

    March 28, 2022 at 2:04 am

    Eventually, Einstein will be proven wrong, just as everyone does. Given how little we know, every theory will get replaced by others. More knowledge means greater understanding.

    No theory is perfect. All come and go given enough time.
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    awstar says:

    March 28, 2022 at 2:10 am

    BA says “Strange But True”

    It is a strange testimony, but not uncommon. I am a member of an organization that has existed more than 100 years which has randomly placed over a billion of Bibles and New Testaments all over the world — mostly since just before the start of WWII. “Strange but true” testimonies like BA’s probably number in the thousands over those years as a result of someone just finding a Bible passage in one of those books at a certain point of time.

    God will be found when a lost person seeks Him.

    P.S. all those dusty Bibles laying around will be greatly sought after before long, given the trajectory the world is currently on.
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    bornagain77 says:

    March 28, 2022 at 3:52 am

    I noticed that the John Lennox video link is dead. So here is another video link where John Lennox also tells his ‘miracle story’.

    Acts 16-19: The Gospel Reaches Europe – John Lennox – 21:45 minute mark – video
    https://youtu.be/jPlqq2ow0LE?t=1305
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    bornagain77 says:

    March 28, 2022 at 4:57 am

    Soulshine – “Let your soul shine” – Allman Brothers Band
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CecdQehjJUg

    🙂
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    zweston says:

    March 28, 2022 at 8:28 am

    My list of miracles…

    BA77, first off, thanks for your testimony! That was encouraging! Also, thanks for the link to Prof Lennox. He is awesome. Never heard that story. If everyone is patient to do so, I have a personal testimony at the bottom of this post as well…

    I have been compiling a list of videos/documents that I have filed as “woo woo” stories that seem credible to me. Here are some of the better ones:

    Muslim woman healed by Jesus out of coma
    https://www.premierchristianity.com/testimonies/i-was-a-muslim-but-jesus-woke-me-from-a-coma-and-healed-me-now-my-whole-family-believes/5642.article

    Remnant Radio Divine Guidance story Michael Rowntree leaving his church 55:00
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwAa7QKr78s

    Spiritual warfare of girl on mission trip in canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVHjM8f7-38&t=1s

    MS And Stomach Cancer healed
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8Rs8l4UmI

    Keith Guinta in Phillipines brothel bar
    https://www.winepatch.org/blog/jesus-walks-into-a-bar

    Jeff Durbin Prophecy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3_Go1CIUgs&t=90s

    Matt Chandler Prophecy story:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM03KpOfSg0

    Ray comfort Prophecy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivExpWZJf84

    Ray comfort Demons:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L851q90nRFU

    *** This one below is from a cessationist Presbyterian who is a scholar.
    RC Sproul providence story:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh-tufYsKvU&t=373s

    Charles Spurgeon words of knowledge: (another cessationist)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec98ayNyuHs

    John Piper Demons:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SK07TY1uh0

    ***Jeff Durbin Son healed spina bifida: Crazy one that even goes in detail about what to name the child (another cessationist)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic8Hzc1BwtQ

    Tongues witnessing at planned parenthood:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60zRMPUoUtY

    Trinity Radio 2 miracles: (Pastor Duane Miller voice healed during a sermon & Lady in wheelchair with MS)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORWztI184U0&t=1684s

    Steve Fuller led to Abu Dhabi by dreams:
    https://livingbyfaithblog.com/2014/12/19/how-god-called-us-to-move-to-abu-dhabi/

    Steve fuller led to lead church in San Jose by dream:
    https://livingbyfaithblog.com/2012/06/27/my-most-powerful-experience-of-a-spiritual-gift/

    Crazy Testimony of demons cast out by selfish no more channel regular guy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh7kdsKG4_4

    Craig Keener paper on demonic possession:
    https://craigkeener.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Crooked-Spirits-from-Journal-of-Mind-and-Behavior-39-4-2018-complete.pdf

    Gastroparesis healed peer review:
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0965229918313116

    12 years of blindness healed peer review:
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550830720300926?fbclid=IwAR0tgsnm-fRTDImK5eGZSndVW1bNzfijdyIiqF9pkZo07ywT3wHyFWfkr-Y

    12 years of blindness healed peer review:
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550830720300926?fbclid=IwAR0tgsnm-fRTDImK5eGZSndVW1bNzfijdyIiqF9pkZo07ywT3wHyFWfkr-Y

    Girl freed of eating disorder immediately:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXWR5UL9BKo&t=6s

    Atheist gets delivered in Russian church: (steven of north)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvp55bVy3o&t=0s

    Paul Washer peru buying books story:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ7fVB90B9M

    Jon Courson tongues farzi
    https://www.godreports.com/2021/02/bartender-overhears-man-speaking-in-tongues-receives-jesus-after-recognizing-farsi/

    Muslim girl healed testifies on tik tok via. Steven of north
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1YTbXZWY9o

    Murdered for allah but god forgives (one for Israel)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtjMANw2hCA

    Presbyterian prayer meeting healing of heart virus:
    https://www.challies.com/quotes/a-presbyterian-healing-service/

    v. Raymond Edman healed story
    https://www.cslewisinstitute.org/webfm_send/891

    Salimbaa and Philippines people
    https://www.godreports.com/2021/02/dream-led-to-stolen-golden-bowl-instrument-and-hidden-tribe/

    https://www.calebbyerly.org/blogs/news/the-salimbaa-story

    testify channel guy (Erick Manning) talks about hearing a voice to change lanes which kept him from a wreck
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TK-g01qjbk&t=268s

    Kay smith tongues
    http://www.rondaniel.com/libra.....ongues.php

    Baptism of the Holy spirit stories:
    https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/212132-baptism-of-the-holy-spirit-testimonies/

    Demonic possession and Haitian Loa possession
    https://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/voodoo.htm

    buddha to christ:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ucJ2m5WcNI&t=3374s

    Atheist astrophysicist converts to christ, has vision of daughter
    https://jamesbishopblog.com/2015/05/23/former-atheist-astrophysicist-sarah-salviander-explains-her-journey-to-christianity/

    Muslim dreams/visions Tom Doyle
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqNUJm457jY&t=73s

    Jesus rescues Iranian woman
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OljbbvoQVKA

    Nepali man healed for liver and hep. B
    https://www.imb.org/2018/04/23/lazaruss-life-nepali-musician-recalls-miraculous-resurrection/

    IMB missionary sees demonic possession
    https://www.imb.org/2018/04/23/lazaruss-life-nepali-musician-recalls-miraculous-resurrection/

    God shows himself to muslim in 3 dreams to someone IMB-details about caretaker
    https://www.imb.org/2021/03/24/central-asian-meets-god-listens/

    Lady gets delivered from prayer at John Ramirez thing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kWaSiPP7Z8&t=678s

    Sean from Revealing truth describes two healings he saw that were later revoked after sin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzluLpidBxQ

    Jesus appears to a muslim woman in her dreams
    https://www.premierchristianity.com/home/jesus-appeared-to-me-in-a-dream/3985.article

    Single Woman led to do missions in Northern India through 3 consecutive dreams/other miracles
    https://www.persecutionblog.com/2017/04/vom-radio-when-we-say-yes-to-god.html

    Water bottle miracle/doll story:
    https://www.epm.org/resources/2011/Jun/7/hot-water-bottle-true-story/

    deliverance testimony on remnant radio
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-8sUr55W84

    Post about historical demon casting out
    https://ask.ligonier.org/podcast-episodes/can-christians-cast-out-demons

    Haitian Priest talks exorcism
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Q27st4Zak

    Atheist becomes Christian after NDE
    https://jamesbishopblog.com/2017/03/08/atheist-professor-howard-storm-converts-to-christianity-after-his-near-death-experience/

    Christian doubter has vision of Jesus during prayer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFMlbgMo-_U

    Blog post about ancient Christianity and exorcism:
    https://lausanne.org/content/historical-overview-1

    Doug Wilson and Mark Driscoll… on spiritual gifts. Wilson knew there was sexuality involved 11:50-12:50. & 16:52 finished the story
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vEiqqfvsh0

    Testimony of French atheist (woo woo @ 10:30 mark)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZwC2ndcb50

    Ben Malcolmson @ usc gives out bibles…conversion
    https://sportsspectrum.com/sport/football/2018/12/24/magazine-and-that-is-our-god-ben-malcolmsons-powerful-story-of-planting-gods-word/

    Missionary dies of malaria reaching one young boy, but God..
    Svea Flood story
    https://www.evangelicalmagazine.com/article/a-kernel-of-wheat-in-the-ground/

    Also encouraged reading: Insanity of God by Nik Ripken, The Autobiography of George Muller, Dreams and Visions by Tom Doyle, God’s Smuggler by Brother Andrew, “The found the secret” by V. Raymond Edman, The Hiding Place by Corrie Ten Boom…
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    How many have to be true for Jesus to be Lord and materialism to be dead?

    I also have a couple pages of testimonies from first hand people when we had discussions… things like body being taken over, a guy waking up in the middle of the night with the tv on and flashing colors and feeling strangled, a woman dreaming of a little boy and feeling like she was supposed to find the other one who eventually adopted twins providentially, a man seeing his dad shoot up out of his bed and scream and then die..who converted because he knew his dad faced judgment, a dream from a local student, a vision of an angel from a friend, a man who was told to buy a house with yellow flowers in the middle of the winter who had to wait for another person to make an offer and accept only to default (which led to him getting it) a colleague being approached by a stranger at a beach to console him about a career change in a tumultuous time and then disappeared, a woman recently passing away in our congregation who became clear minded right before death and described seeing her miscarried child in detail one day before death.. etc.
    *******************
    ***——Personal testimony: (kind of long, and maybe just a “you had to be there” type of story…****—–
    I also had a radical confirmation of God’s hand in a time of great struggle and existential crisis.

    I had been witnessing to a former student (former high school teacher here)… and he had accepted Christ or so it seemed. Then he decided that the Bible writers were on psychedelics (John Mark Allegro/Joe Rogan..yeesh) and basically renounced faith… and it left me SUPER discouraged. I had seen God opening doors and moving and then this shock. It really threw me for a loop as this kid was evangelizing, had been baptized, was absorbing the Bible, etc. (If only Jesus had told us that some will pop up fast and then wilt?).. Anyways, I was left trying to debunk the ‘shroom gospel… and was just on spiritual empty wondering “where are you God?” At that time I was in agony and crying out to God… and then I checked facebook (why?) but a mother of a former student shared a story….

    “We went back to the doctor last week about ——‘s elbow, and after 3 weeks the x-rays showed no change or healing that has taken place. ? They ordered an MRI, which she was able to get on Saturday. Afterwards, we went to (restaurant) for lunch, and as we were paying a lady that was taking the money asked —- (girl name) what she did to her arm. Without going into any detail she just replied that she broke it. The lady asked if she believed in the power of prayer and if she could pray for her. (girl name) said “yes” and the lady put her hand on her elbow and began praying; “Lord, I know she’s a key player in basketball & wants to get back to playing, but there’s nerve and ligament damage to her elbow. Please heal and restore her fully without surgery if it be your will.” ?I stopped what I was doing, looked at her and began bawling asking her how she knew any of this (at that time we had just come from her mri & had no results, and nothing was even said about basketball). She said for some reason when (girl name) walked up there God was telling her she needed to pray for her & those words just came to her. I turned around to hear a couple people say “amen,” and a couple others were also wiping tears from their eyes. The entrance was full of people waiting to be seated and to pay, and I’m so thankful this “stranger” stopped what she was doing and was obedient to God and prayed over (girl name). We did get the mri results back saying she does have a ligament tear and possible ulnar neuropathy, but praise God NO surgery is needed!! Her physical therapist is so amazed at her progress this week and says she plans to take her out of the brace next Monday!!! (girl name) is definitely giving it 110% (which doesn’t surprise me), but I truly believe the prayers from that stranger & our prayers which have not ceased are doing wonders!! ?? May God bless that wonderful, sweet lady, and I pray that she knows the impact her prayers had on us that day!”

    So I read that and think..that’s really cool, and it gave me comfort to sleep that night….

    The next day, still feeling very low (and thinking I had Covid over the holidays on top of it)… I’m back to agony… I watched the testimony of Jeff Durbin’s son being healed of spina bifida (link above) and was encouraged… then I messaged the mother and just told her how encouraging her sharing her story was…

    backtrack 1 or 2 days….

    I was meeting with another young man I was discipling who was involved with this other de-convert’s life. He mentioned in our conversation, which was super somber and tough.. about the locker room story he heard about the young lady above making derogatory jokes toward clergy (and she was one of the leaders of a faith group on campus)… it was kind of a left field comment, but I kind of said, “well, what else could go wrong” etc…. I filed it away and moved on.

    Then, going back to that morning (Christmas Eve).. I had messaged the mom who posted… and she said “there is more to the story”… during the time that the lady at the restaurant was praying over her and talking with her, she REBUKED the young lady 3 TIMES to her face and told her to watch her mouth. Mom had no idea what the lady was talking about, as of course the daughter doesn’t care to lip off or be derogatory around mom…

    But, at that moment, I was the only one who knew both ends of the story. In the midst of existential angst and doubt and depression. I was blown away. The timing, the random thread of a conversation a day or two before (I forget exactly) but in that moment I was blown away and left in a puddle of tears. God is so amazing. I was up all night just worshipping Jesus and in awe of his majesty.

    I can’t see how that wasn’t a direct contact to ME alone in that moment to confirm what had been spoken. Who in the world rebukes a young lady who is a stranger in public like that in front of a crowd as well as praying for healing? The rebuking thing was just too much to even fathom. Just a ridiculous story…

    I know, people can write it off as coincidence or whatever, but it was hard to escape the truth for me in that moment….

    By the way, the girl didn’t have surgery and returned to playing basketball soon after… and hasn’t had an issue since… Now you know…the rest of the story (thanks Paul Harvey).
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    zweston says:

    March 29, 2022 at 6:59 am

    My post just before was so long it was moderated for a day (and isn’t listed on the recent posts)… I hope you will come back to this thread to interact with it.