Social Justice Warriors to Believers in Truth: Drop Dead

_{Barry Arrington
February 6, 2019

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Those of us who believe in truth, virtue and “justice” (unadorned with the modifier “social”) are inimical to the “social justice” movement. So says this UN report:

“Present-day believers in an absolute truth identified with virtue and justice are neither willing nor desirable companions for the defenders of social justice.”

Social Justice in an Open World The Role of the United Nations, The Department of Economic and Social Affairs of the United Nations Secretariat, Division for Social Policy and Development, The International Forum for Social Development, 2006, 2-3

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BB, desensitisation and grooming are NOT education. My objection was and remains, that this has been happening in too many cases. In the case of Jamaica, such made it into textbooks and/or curricula prepared by activists and imposed on the education system, leading to scandal. My use of "grooming" reflects the language of the Minister (a lawyer), when he saw for himself. In one of these scandals, orphans in care facilities were targetted by the activist materials. I have also seen where under colour of health, age of consent law in the Caribbean has been attacked. That is smoking gun stuff. KFkairosfocus_{February 16, 2019
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Hi Ed. I am definitely not talking about Marxism or communism, although kf seems to find "fellow travellers" around every corner. It seems that being for any realistic improvements to alleviate various situations (abortions, wealth inequality and poverty, lack of access to adequate health care) is seen by some as being the step over an abyss (and not even a slippery slope) with apocalyptic catastrophe at the the bottom. In such an environment, practical attempts to solve problems are seen as manifestations of the dangers lurking at the bottom of the abyss: materialism, nihilism, Marxism, communism. The world is a dangerous place where there is no navigable ground between one's own position and catastrophic consequences.hazel_{February 16, 2019
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It has nothing to do with perception, acartia. And people need to take responsibility for their own actions. No one in my family ever got pregnant or got someone pregnant that didn't want to have children. We aren't special. So, yes, I say other people should rise to that same standardET_{February 16, 2019
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Now that we are talking about abortion, I am interested to know how much those here who are adamant that it is murder donate every year to adoption services, financial and medical support for pregnant teens, access to contraceptives, sex education for teens, etc. I Donate over 10% of my gross salary to like services. KF? StephenB? ET? It is easy to rail against what you perceive to be wrong and criticize those who hold a different view. Much harder to do something concrete to try to help people.Brother Brian_{February 16, 2019
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KF@155, with respect, I don’t think Hazel nor I were talking about communism or Marxism. I can’t speak for Hazel, but when I talk about a more equitable distribution of wealth I am talking about the several orders of magnitude of salary between the CEO and the workers who are actually responsible for his wealth. Or the 20-30% difference between men and women doing the same job. Very legitimate concerns.Ed George_{February 16, 2019
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Brother Brian:
Getting back to the idea that abortificants (IUD) murder children, what exactly is being murdered? A few undifferentiond cells? A human being with a unique soul? And, to really mess with the mind, if the soul is imbued at conception, do identical twins have half a soul? And in the instances where one embryo absorbs it’s twin, does the resulting baby have two souls?
EVERY step of life is just as important as the one after it. YOU wouldn't be here without first being conceived. No one would.ET_{February 16, 2019
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BB, desensitising and grooming 5 – 9 year olds is pretty ugly child abuse and similar manipulation extends into the teens. KF
It is very telling that you would argue that educating children is child abuse.Brother Brian_{February 16, 2019
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EG, kindly review the history of socialist "experiments," from communes to countries and regions. Venezuela is a live case. We are forgetting that history, which 100 million ghosts want to remind us of. KFkairosfocus_{February 16, 2019
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BB, desensitising and grooming 5 - 9 year olds is pretty ugly child abuse and similar manipulation extends into the teens. KFkairosfocus_{February 16, 2019
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KF
Early childhood education too often is a means of destabilising family and now of indoctrinating young children in ways that constitute grooming for abuse or desensitisation to ruinous behaviour.
Or it’s a means of providing our kids with the necessary knowledge to make informed decisions. As opposed to some who would deny them this tool. To me, that is the red flag.Brother Brian_{February 16, 2019
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Stephen writes,
A zygote has human DNA, which means that it is a living human being.
Every cell has human DNA, so I don't think that just having human DNA makes a cell a living human being. Perhaps Stephen can offer a a better definition.hazel_{February 16, 2019
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Brother Brian:
Getting back to the idea that abortificants (IUD) murder children, what exactly is being murdered? A few undifferentiond cells? A human being with a unique soul?
What is it about this argument that you do not understand? [a] Murder is the purposeful (not incidental) act of killing a living human being. [b] A zygote has human DNA, which means that it is a living human being. Therefore, [c] it is murder to purposefully kill a zygote. The argument is based on scientific facts. Once again, you have changed the subject to religion and the existence of "souls, presumably because you have no answer to the above argument. In other words, you are not arguing in good faith.
And, to really mess with the mind, if the soul is imbued at conception, do identical twins have half a soul? And in the instances where one embryo absorbs it’s twin, does the resulting baby have two souls?
You are confusing biology with theology. The natural biological process does not "imbue" a zygote with a soul. This is a supernatural act of God. A baby cannot have two souls.StephenB_{February 16, 2019
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Hazel@145, it would be difficult to argue with any of that. But things like early sex education and a fairer distribution of wealth are very polarizing due to religion and philosophy.Ed George_{February 16, 2019
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KF,
DS, natural death (even in the womb) is not the same as imposed willful destruction of innocent human life. KF
Agreed. I hope it's clear I'm not claiming they are the same. My hypothetical does not include any cases of willful destruction of human life.daveS_{February 16, 2019
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H, at this stage, the list of progressivist demands will only orange flag claims. Early childhood education too often is a means of destabilising family and now of indoctrinating young children in ways that constitute grooming for abuse or desensitisation to ruinous behaviour. Redistribution is too often code language for neo-marxist takeover and the folly of centralised bureaucratic control of the macroeconomy . . . a proved means of economic ruin. So far as I understand the "separation" mantra, it is not irrelevant that specific security considerations are at stake and that the praxis dates back to the previous administration, suggesting that the media and activist claims are untrustworthy (by now, a routine concern). When terms like universal health care access are used, too often this is disguised socialistic takeover of the macroeconomy [through seizing a big slice that pervades every sector] compounded by imposition of omnipotent bureaucracy; many -- for cause -- simply do not trust the agendas regardless of headlines, slogans and talk points. Inherently, centralised bureaucratic control of a macroeconomy cannot work as it destroys the time-sensitive, highly perishable information conveyed by markets, leading to government-controlled malinvestment, temporary booms through addiction to stimuli (often using inflationary "printing" of money), collapse. Venezuela is only the latest obvious but studiously side-stepped case. Repeatedly we find the same failed cure-alls, as though the history of the past 100+ years of grand socialist experiments and bureaucratisation of economies or welfare sectors did not happen. Better, more empirically warranted, more credible solutions are needed. KFkairosfocus_{February 15, 2019
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BB, you know or should know that at conception as a zygote forms, we have the beginning of a new human life. Your use of dehumanising language is therefore -- unsurprisingly at this point -- a bright red warning flag. KFkairosfocus_{February 15, 2019
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Getting back to the idea that abortificants (IUD) murder children, what exactly is being murdered? A few undifferentiond cells? A human being with a unique soul? And, to really mess with the mind, if the soul is imbued at conception, do identical twins have half a soul? And in the instances where one embryo absorbs it’s twin, does the resulting baby have two souls?Brother Brian_{February 15, 2019
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Yes, early childhood education, more equal distribution of wealth, not separating children from their families at the US/Mexican border, easy access to contraception, universal health care for good maternal care: all those things and more would help.hazel_{February 15, 2019
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H, that is a measure of the breadth and depth of the reformation we need. KFkairosfocus_{February 15, 2019
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DS, natural death (even in the womb) is not the same as imposed willful destruction of innocent human life. KFkairosfocus_{February 15, 2019
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hazel,
That means that about 50% of all human beings live for less than a week, and perhaps 75% for less than a month or so, before they die a natural death. That’s an interesting thought to ponder.
Yes, it is. Here's a slightly off-topic hypothetical: Suppose the death rate for these fertilized eggs was even higher, so that perhaps only 1 out of 100,000 survive to implantation. Suppose also that in vitro techniques are improved to the point where 99% of fertilized eggs survive to implantation and no eggs or embryos have to be discarded. Would it then be more moral to use only vitro fertilization when attempting to conceive? Should couples even have unprotected sex? (Of course my question is directed primarily at those who believe a fertilized egg is a complete human being and should not be killed, just as an adult should not be killed).daveS_{February 15, 2019
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re 137. BB, I also am trying to understand the views of others. I assume that at least some have a religious belief that the fertilized cell has a soul received as an immediate effect of that fertilization. That is one of the facts that prompted my thoughts at 134: all those souls, I assume, are believed to go to heaven, although they have had no conscious or sensory experience at all. I just can't imagine what that must be like? Also, kf writes,
Linked, children need stable nurturing environments sustained on abiding commitment of their mother and father; the very context of marriage and family. Further linked, families need well ordered communities that support family livelihood and a wider reasonably safe and stimulating environment;
I wish I saw as much fervent commitment to that as I do against abortion. /political comment>hazel_{February 15, 2019
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Brother Brian/ acartia- you have serious problems. Good luck with that.ET_{February 15, 2019
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BB, a 14 year old rape victim has been horribly violated (and one who has been seduced has been exploited); that is a separate issue from the fact that occasionally rape leads to conception. Where, again, the newly conceived life is a separate, distinct innocent human life in its earliest stages. That must be recognised and must shape our response to such a hard case. The use of hard cases to then dehumanise and enable a policy of arbitrary killing of the unwanted is yet another distinct issue. The fundamental issue is that we must recognise and respect life. KFkairosfocus_{February 15, 2019
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H (& attn BB), obviously, our reproductive functions are not functioning perfectly (from the technical perspective); though such are plainly adequate to sustain the population from one generation to the next. The difference we are highlighting is the deliberate, disrespectful destruction of human life once it has started at the point where the process begins: fertilisation and formation of the zygote which marks a new, genetically unique individual. That deliberate action is morally freighted and should be morally governed, starting with the quasi-infinite value of the individual human being from initiation of life through intra-uterine stages then birth, growth and upbringing, adulthood and the natural span of life. The persistent pattern of dehumanisation and imposition of arbitrary will on the alienated innocent other is a red flag that we recognise and we must further recognise its corrosive effect. The habit of dehumanisation and arbitrary -- thus unreasonable, irresponsible and dubious -- imposition notoriously has a slippery slope ratcheting effect and we must guard against it. If one is not in a position to manage the known, natural consequences of the conjugal act (a major part of its obvious purposes) then perhaps one should reconsider what he or she is doing. BTW, the contribution of sexual attraction, sexually tinged interaction, romantic interaction and bonding, actual foreplay and the sex act leading to orgasmic release to bonding and mutual psycho-social well being should not be overlooked as legitimate purposes. It is not for nothing that we speak of consummation of a marriage, and of the act of marriage. While there is arguably nothing wrong with responsible contraception (as opposed to devices that essentially trigger a silent abortion) we must realise that such is not foolproof. Linked, children need stable nurturing environments sustained on abiding commitment of their mother and father; the very context of marriage and family. Further linked, families need well ordered communities that support family livelihood and a wider reasonably safe and stimulating environment; including protection of children from sexual predators . . . it is not for nothing that we can be viewed as the most dangerous predators to have ever walked this planet. It is thus not an accident that every one of these supportive frameworks is under attack, in many cases leading to undermining of the long term viability of our civilisation -- our sexuality is an obvious vulnerability that needs to be managed in the interests of the long term good in the face of obvious radical, ruinous folly and destructive evil on the march. Roaring and sneaking lions are on the prowl, seeking whom they can devour. KFkairosfocus_{February 14, 2019
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I can’t buy the idea that preventing a fertilized egg from implanting (ie IUD) is murder. I know that this sounds facetious, but I am really interested in what people think about this. What is the fundamental reason that an abortificant like the IUD or the morning after pill is the equivalent of murder. Is it because the fertilized egg has human DNA? Is it because it has the potential of developing into a functioning human? Is it because God breathes a soul into it at the point of conception?Brother Brian_{February 14, 2019
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Actually, hazel, it strengthens the case that human life is indeed special and those who get [pregnant are the fortunate ones. And that should not be taken lightly, but it is.
Sorry, but I am not going to tell a 14 year old rape victim that she is the fortunate one. Are you?Brother Brian_{February 14, 2019
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Actually, hazel, it strengthens the case that human life is indeed special and those who get [pregnant are the fortunate ones. And that should not be taken lightly, but it is.ET_{February 14, 2019
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I’ve been thinking about the idea expressed here that human life begins at fertilization. About 50% of all fertilized eggs fail to implant, and about 50% of all implanted eggs miscarry, most of them before the women even knows she’s pregnant. That means that about 50% of all human beings live for less than a week, and perhaps 75% for less than a month or so, before they die a natural death. That’s an interesting thought to ponder.hazel_{February 14, 2019
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F/N: Murder in the moral sense, antecedent to legislative definitions: the willful, unjust, inexcusable shedding of innocent blood, that is, the unjustified, inexcusable, willful destruction of innocent human life. Secondary sense, similarly willful defamation ,robbing an innocent person of reputation, livelihood and place in the community -- oftentimes, by false accusation or similar behaviour. KF PS: The IUD is used in silent early abortions, and the above numbers do not include their impact, which must be material given statistics that up to 14% of women of childbearing age have had such inserted. Redefining this as contraception implies a loaded redefinition of conception as implantation, not the formation of the zygote which is the scientifically known point where a genetically distinct new life begins.kairosfocus_{February 14, 2019
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