Social Justice Warriors to Believers in Truth: Drop Dead

_{Barry Arrington

February 6, 2019

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Those of us who believe in truth, virtue and “justice” (unadorned with the modifier “social”) are inimical to the “social justice” movement. So says this UN report:

“Present-day believers in an absolute truth identified with virtue and justice are neither willing nor desirable companions for the defenders of social justice.”

Social Justice in an Open World The Role of the United Nations, The Department of Economic and Social Affairs of the United Nations Secretariat, Division for Social Policy and Development, The International Forum for Social Development, 2006, 2-3

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Ed George said:
Yes, it is absolutely true than women are oppressed by those that believe in absolute truth.
Since you admit you believe in an absolute truth, then I take it that you oppress women? Or did you leave out a significant qualifier or two?William J Murray_{February 6, 2019
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ET In all fairness to Ed it was not his example it was mine. Vividvividbleau_{February 6, 2019
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Ed “Yes, it is absolutely true than women are oppressed by those that believe in absolute truth. Here is a very recent example of this.” And I gather that you, in the name of social justice,think that this should cease, thus the UNs statement has nothing to do with people who believe in absolute truth being a hindrance to social justice. It is true that those who believe in absolute truth make it hard for social justice just as many that do not hold to absolute truth do the same. Thus its statement is vacuous. PS The UN should take a look at itself they are hardly a body that is unflinching on human rights. They themselves make it hard for social justice. Vividvividbleau_{February 6, 2019
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Ed George- Your example has nothing to do with absolute truth. Absolute truth has nothing to do with the oppression of women.ET_{February 6, 2019
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Vividbleu
Is it absolutely true that women are oppressed by those that believe in absolute truth?
I will let Hazel answer for herself but, if you permit, I will answer as well. Yes, it is absolutely true than women are oppressed by those that believe in absolute truth. Here is a very recent example of this. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/02/nepalese-woman-dies-banishment-menstruation-hut-190204132855327.htmlEd George_{February 6, 2019
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Hazel I would also be interested in you answering this question. Is it absolutely true that women are oppressed by those that believe in absolute truth? Vividvividbleau_{February 6, 2019
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Hazel “I’m confused. I thought the point of the OP was that people who believe “in an absolute truth identified with virtue and justice” make it hard to work for social justice. “ And this is bonkers!! I believe in absolute truth and I am for social justice. They could have just as well state that those that head tyrannical govts make it hard for social justice ,some of those tyrants are atheists and reject absolute truth. Vividvividbleau_{February 6, 2019
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I'm confused. I thought the point of the OP was that people who believe "in an absolute truth identified with virtue and justice" make it hard to work for social justice. Yes, it is true there are fundamentalists what are for suppressing women, and more importantly, violently suppressing other religions. Do you agree that those are problems in the world that it would be good to do something about?hazel_{February 6, 2019
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Hazel “Same old problem: what about fundamentalist Hindus or Muslims or Jews who feel certain about the absolute truth of their beliefs” What about them? “ about oppression of women, for instance, or the violent suppression of people of other religions. Are they not an impediment to some things that we might consider valuable goals of social justice?” But is it TRUE that they oppress woman? Is it TRUE that there is a violent suppression of other religions? Are these social justice grievances TRUE? If they are and they most certainly are then the UN is bonkers. It is the very fact that they are absolutely TRUE that demands “social justice” Sheesh Vividvividbleau_{February 6, 2019
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I agree, that's a very strange sentence, and the context doesn't improve it (it starts at the bottom of p2 of the report). Mind you, the report was published in 2006, so I doubt many social justice warriors have read the report.Bob O'H_{February 6, 2019
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Same old problem: what about fundamentalist Hindus or Muslims or Jews who feel certain about the absolute truth of their beliefs about oppression of women, for instance, or the violent suppression of people of other religions. Are they not an impediment to some things that we might consider valuable goals of social justice?hazel_{February 6, 2019
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Orwell couldn't have come up with a more absurd concoction. Justice, of any kind, can only exist when an absolute standard is in play. Otherwise, it's just might makes right.OldArmy94_{February 6, 2019
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