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Stephen Barr’s Own Private Idaho

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Back in the early 90’s a movie came out with the peculiar title “My Own Private Idaho.”  The movie has nothing to do with my topic, but I’ve always been amused by the notion of a “private Idaho.”  In a comment to my previous post (Barr v. Arrington), Deuce captures perfectly the problem with Stephen Barr’s Darwinism.  Barr thinks he can have his “Own Private Darwinism” that means something completely different from the Darwinism universally accepted in the scientific community.  Sorry Dr. Barr.  As Deuce explains, language doesn’t work that way.  What follows from here is all Deuce:

I’ve read Barr’s writings on the subject of evolution for a while, and my take is that 1) Nullusalus is right that what Barr means by “Darwinism” is indeed a different position than what most self-identified Darwinists mean by it, and 2) Barry is right that he’s playing the part of the useful idiot.

To start with, let’s repeat that statement of Barr’s about the soul.

And what happens to morality and natural-law ethics if neo-Darwinism is right? Nothing, if we recognize that man is not merely a product of evolution. Man is not reducible to matter, not only as Scripture and tradition attest, but also as human reason can discern by reflecting upon its own powers.

Barr is right that natural law is not affected if we recognize that man is not merely a product of evolution. But as Barry correctly notes, this is terribly confused. Neo-Darwinism isn’t simply the theory that there is such a thing as evolution by natural selection. Even YECs would be neo-Darwinists if that’s all it took. Neo-Darwinism holds that the appearance of purpose we see in biology, *up to and including human reason*, is in fact merely a product of evolution by natural selection. The *whole point* of the theory is to explain (away) the appearance of purpose. What Barr is saying here amounts to “Neo-Darwinism doesn’t contradict Christianity, as long as we suppose that neo-Darwinism isn’t actually true.” Exempting the soul from neo-Darwinism is no more compatible with it than exempting the flagellum or the eye.

On multiple occasions I’ve seen Barr argue that “random” doesn’t mean unguided or unintended in science, but that it simply means that we are unable to observe any correlations in some data. But just because that definition of “random” is the operative one in Barr’s own branch of science (physics) doesn’t mean it’s the operative one in Darwinian evolution by random variation and natural selection. First of all, it goes without saying that we can’t observe any correlations in the variations that have led up to our existence. We can’t observe those variations at all because they occurred in the deep past before we were here to see them, so *of course* we can’t observe correlations in them! If that’s what the “random” in “random variation” meant, Darwin’s idea would be too trivial to even be a theory.

Additionally, in physics and other practical-application sciences, randomness plays a merely descriptive role. That is, we’re simply describing how things appear to us. In Darwinian evolution, however, randomness plays an explanatory role. The whole point of Darwinian explanation is to explain how things that appear to be intended could actually have originated without really being intended. Again, the whole point of Darwinism is to explain the appearance of telos in biology without having to appeal to actual intent. If the randomness referred to by the theory were merely an appearance (which, again, is impossible since biology *appears* non-random, and the “random variations” have no appearance at all since we weren’t there to observe them), but were in fact directed and planned, then the explanation for the appearance of intent would be… actual intent, and the Darwinian explanation for that appearance would be no explanation at all.

And again, Barr shows extreme naivety when he says the following:

Moreover, the scientific community has sat by while certain scientists and philosophers, claiming the authority of science, have waged war against religion using the neo-Darwinian account of evolution as a metaphysical weapon.

The reason that the scientific community have “sat by” is because they correctly understand Darwinism to mean the exact same thing that those “certain scientists and philosophers” mean by it. Indeed, it’s the exact same thing that DARWIN HIMSELF meant by it! The claim that purpose is an illusion *IS* the theory. Barr’s bowdlerized version of Darwinism is particular to him. It’s not the “real” Darwinism.

I’ve had a couple combox debates with Barr on this issue myself, and his reasoning basically comes down to this:

1) Scientific theories cannot confirm or deny the existence of purpose. 2) Darwinism is a scientific theory. 3) Lots of scientists and philosophers claim that Darwinism is an explaination for the appearance of purpose in life that denies the reality of purpose, and hardly any adherents of Darwinism disagree with them. 4) But if Darwinism really said what they claim, it wouldn’t be a scientific theory. 5) So Darwinism couldn’t possibly say what nearly all its adherents say it does, because Darwinism is a scientific theory. c) Therefore, Darwinism is completely compatible with faith.

Of course, the error here is obvious: the content of an idea, and what is meant by that idea’s adherents, is not affected in any way by Barr’s definition of “science.” The correct conclusion is that Darwinism isn’t science by Barr’s definition, but he doesn’t want to go there.

It’s the exact same reasoning he uses to claim that “random” in RM&NS doesn’t mean unintended. If it meant unintended, you see, then it wouldn’t be science, so that’s not what it means! The possibility that lots of scientists in a particular field are dedicated to something Barr wouldn’t consider science, and that most others don’t really care, is something he just seems incapable of even considering.

So, in conclusion, I like Barr, I think he’s a sincere orthodox Christian and not a heretic, but I do think he matches the definition of “useful idiot”. In fact, I think he matches it better than most theistic evolutionists, because most theistic evolutionists are snakes in the grass who knowingly promote a “strong” view of evolution (the essentially atheistic idea that it’s unguided and that purpose is an illusion) while engaging in misdirection to obscure that fact, whereas Barr is a genuine Christian who isn’t trying to sell materialism in an underhanded way, but who is being a dupe.

But when he says that “neo-Darwinism” doesn’t conflict with the faith, most people are going to take that idea to mean the same thing that “Darwinism” means to most people, including Charles Darwin, even if Barr has managed to convince himself that his personal definition has any truck among scientists and philosophers beyond himself. Basically, he’s unknowingly encouraging laymen to let their guards down against naturalistic metaphysics.

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Collin, But neo-darwinism really does exclude teleology because one of its 3 prongs is “random mutation.” If God chose a mutation, then it is not “random” mutation. Barr touches on this in his article, but not enough in that specific one. Plantinga does a better job. The short version is that what science can call "random" refers to correlations - statistically, the mutations creatures get are not biased towards favorable ones. Science isn't capable of determining whether or not a given mutation, harmful or negative or neutral, was or was not intended, guided, or foreseen by God. This is one of Barr's points, as well as Plantinga's, and I think it's a solid point at that. If someone replies - and someone will reply - 'but the neo-Darwinists say otherwise! They say the lack of guidance is essential to the theory', my response is what it's been for years: so much the worse for their theory then, because that's where the science stops and the metaphysics and theology has begun.nullasalus
February 28, 2012
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Collin, at 12 you have put your finger on the crux of the matter. For his own private Idaho type of Darwinism, Barr defines "random" as "that which is guided." Well, he can privately define black as just a really dark shade of white, but he should not expect the rest of us to go along with him.Barry Arrington
February 28, 2012
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bevets Evolutionary biology, in contrast with physics and chemistry, is a historical science — the evolutionist attempts to explain events and processes that have already taken place. Laws and experiments are inappropriate techniques for the explication of such events and processes. ~ Ernst Mayr Collin Then we must refrain from calling evolutionary biologists scientists? I personally would rather expand the definition of science than to leave out biology, ID and other quasi scientific endeavors. After all, science used to encompass much more than it does now. Science used to mean “knowledge.” But even if it were true by definition that a scientific hypothesis could involve no reference to God, nothing of much interest would follow. The Augustines and Kuypers of this world would then be obliged to concede that they had made a mistake: but the mistake would be no more than a verbal mistake. They would have to concede that they can't properly use the term 'science' in stating their view or asking their question; they would have to use some other term, such as 'sience' (pronounced like 'science'); the definition of 'sience' results from that of 'science' by deleting from the latter the clause proscribing hypotheses that include reference to God (i.e., by removing from the definition of 'science' Ruse seems to be endorsing, the clause according to which science deals only with what is natural). Their mistake would not be in what they proposed to say, but rather in how they proposed to say it. ~ Alvin Plantinga I think it needs to be clearly understood that origins necessarily includes metaphysical assumptions. It is also unfortunate that (Material) Science is considered the highest form of knowledge in our culture.bevets
February 28, 2012
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Nullasalus, But neo-darwinism really does exclude teleology because one of its 3 prongs is "random mutation." If God chose a mutation, then it is not "random" mutation. It's purposeful mutation and therefore not really neo-darwinism.Collin
February 28, 2012
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StephenB, By definition, neo-Darwinism is non-teleological process that doesn’t know where it is going and didn’t have man in mind. Yet Barr, who accepts and defends this paradigm BY NAME, doesn’t hesitate to re-frame it with contradictory rhetoric. Barr explicitly spells out what he thinks is wrong with Neo-Darwinism as commonly offered, points out what he thinks the limits and scope of science are, and interprets neo-Darwinism in that light. He explicitly affirms that God used evolution, knowing and intending the results in advance, from what I've seen. It doesn't work to say what the definition of neo-Darwinism is and what Barr must mean by it, when the very article cited expressly has Barr *defining what he means by the words himself*. He's not 'reframing it with contradictory rhetoric', he's pointing out what he thinks Neo-Darwinism must mean, scientifically, given his view of science - and that happens to eviscerate it of quite a lot of things that others (Coyne, Dawkins, etc) insist the word means. Plantinga did similar, as Jon Garvey said, in his latest book. He expressly named claims to evolution being 'unguided' as metaphysics utterly extraneous to the science, and not part of any evolutionary theory rightly called scientific. Are you going to say Plantinga is contradicting himself? I can provide the quotes of him making almost exactly the same move as Barr, if you like.nullasalus
February 28, 2012
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By definition, neo-Darwinism is non-teleological process that doesn't know where it is going and didn't have man in mind. Yet Barr, who accepts and defends this paradigm BY NAME, doesn't hesitate to re-frame it with contradictory rhetoric. So, for Barr, evolution did not know where it was going--except that it did; it did not have man in mind--except that it did; it is not teleological--except that it is.StephenB
February 28, 2012
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Hey Barry- For your next post on this guy you can title it "The Barr Exam"- d'oh....Joe
February 28, 2012
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StephenB, Barr’s position is that design is “inherent in the evolutionary process.” which is his way of saying that faith in God’s evolutionary process provides the assurance, not the perception of design. I don't see that. In fact, I think there's much to be said for the view that the evolutionary process presents yet another case of design 'as perceived', not due to faith in spite of it. Yes, yes, I know there's an army of Darwinists who say otherwise. I've never found their assertion persuasive. If Barr explicitly denied the appearance of design in biology and evolution, that would be one thing. When he affirms it, and the objection comes on the grounds of what Barr is said to 'really mean', I'm just not sold. You're a Thomist if I recall - do the mundane processes of nature show evidence of design, in your view? And I don't see Deuce saying that Barr is 'double-minded' on this issue. His point, as I took it, was that the 'Neo-Darwinism' Barr defends is not the 'Neo-Darwinism' most defenders of evolution speak of, scientists included, so when Barr says that "Neo-Darwinism is no threat to faith", he's bound to be misunderstood. Not that Barr is being deceptive. Jon Garvey, No, I understand what you mean - sorry, didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I'm convinced that Biologos and others do enjoy 'blurring the lines' in the ways you speak of. I only meant to say that Plantinga and Barr wouldn't be useful for their blurring purposes, since the way they engage in it would run counter to what both men, in my view, actually think - and they're actually alive and around to correct them.nullasalus
February 28, 2012
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Bevets, Then we must refrain from calling evolutionary biologists scientists? I personally would rather expand the definition of science than to leave out biology, ID and other quasi scientific endeavors. After all, science used to encompass much more than it does now. Science used to mean "knowledge."Collin
February 28, 2012
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Just to note that I have some discussions of Barr from the point view of physics and theism. Similar difficulties arise there as in the evolution discussions you are having here.ian4851
February 28, 2012
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First of all, it goes without saying that we can’t observe any correlations in the variations that have led up to our existence. We can’t observe those variations at all because they occurred in the deep past before we were here to see them, so *of course* we can’t observe correlations in them! Evolutionary biology, in contrast with physics and chemistry, is a historical science -- the evolutionist attempts to explain events and processes that have already taken place. Laws and experiments are inappropriate techniques for the explication of such events and processes. ~ Ernst Mayr We must ask first whether the theory of evolution by natural selection is scientific or pseudoscientific ... Taking the first part of the theory, that evolution has occurred, it says that the history of life is a single process of species-splitting and progression. This process must be unique and unrepeatable, like the history of England. This part of the theory is therefore a historical theory, about unique events, and unique events are, by definition, not part of science, for they are unrepeatable and so not subject to test. ~ Colin Pattersonbevets
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The Psalmist: “I am fearfully and wonderfully MADE.” Stephen Barr:* Yes indeed you are. You were made by Darwinian processes. The Psalmist: But surely a blind purposeless natural process cannot “make” anything in the sense I used the word. Humpty Dumpty: Oh give Stephen a break. Like me, when he uses a word it means exactly what he wants it to mean. If I want “glory” to mean “a nice knock down argument,” then it certainly does. And if my friend Stephen wants “Darwinism” to mean “a teleological process in which God works even though his work is empirically undetectable,” then that’s that. The Psalmist: But won’t it cause confusion for Dr. Barr to use the word that way when pretty much everyone else in the scientific community uses it to mean “a blind purposeless natural process”? Humpty Dumpty: Oh, I see. You’re a fundamentalist fanatic. Well, there’s no use allowing your comments to remain in our combox. Off with your head. *Not his actual words but my summary of his position. If I have misrepresented his position he can correct me if he ever chooses to interact with me.Barry Arrington
February 28, 2012
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nullasalus I didn't intend to suggest that Plantinga or Barr go the way of BioLogos, but that the failure to draw attention to the prevalent blurring between science and philosophy gives those who are happy to muddy the waters free rein.Jon Garvey
February 28, 2012
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nullasalus, I have interacted with Barr on this matter. When I challenged him about Romans 1:20, he started talking about the cosmological laws of nature, as if the biological realm was not covered in that passage. Indeed, it is, as you know, a tenet of the neo-Darwinistic paradigm that biological design is an illusion. Barr's position is that design is "inherent in the evolutionary process." which is his way of saying that faith in God's evolutionary process provides the assurance, not the perception of design. In other words, we must believe that God designed life because we cannot apprehend it through observation. He really is double minded on this issue. I think Deuce above has it nailed.StephenB
February 28, 2012
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StephenB, HOWEVER, he has violated his Catholic (and Christian faith) by arguing that biological design is undetectable. It is pure nonsense to suggest that God revealed himself in cosmology and then went back into hiding in biology. Barr, and all Christian Darwinists take that irrational and heretical posture. I see Barr arguing that biological design isn't scientifically demonstrable. But I don't think that's the same as arguing that 'design is undetectable' - just that it's not a scientific issue. If Barr's said that design in biology isn't detectable at all, I'd like to see that. As for Charles, I suspect you misunderstand him. I believe Charles is asserting that any biological precursors to Adam and Eve at all - anything short of flat out direct creation from the ground up (Maybe with the whole YEC cart as well?) - is in conflict with the Bible. Or maybe I'm the one misunderstanding.nullasalus
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