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Suzan Mazur continues to impress, as a science writer who is seriously trying to understand origin of life questions.

Her recent book is The Origin of Life Circus, much recommended by Uncommon Descent News if you want to get up to speed on the questions.

Here is her interview with Stuart Newman on non-linear evolution:

It was Stuart Newman who was the first of the Altenberg 16 scientists I discussed developments with following the Extended Synthesis symposium in 2008 at Konrad Lorenz Institute, a meeting I was barred from attending for having gotten out in front of the event with a series of stories and an e-book — showcased on these pages — in which I interviewed evolutionary thinkers who had also not been invited to Altenberg. And over the last half dozen or so years, I’ve had many rich, off-the-record (if such a thing still exists) phone conversations with Stuart Newman about everything from ancient art to deep politics to origin of life and life in general.

Suzan Mazur: Some scientists say we need a whole new language to reflect the reality of non-linear evolution. What are your thoughts?

Stuart Newman: Non-linear means that you can’t look at straight lines of descent anymore because viruses and other entities are coming in at all stages of evolution. Classically this — horizontal transfer — has been considered a rare thing. With the new understanding of what viruses can do, the non-linear approach becomes much more prominent.

File:A small cup of coffee.JPG It sounds like there is a big Darwin racket going on here, and I wish her all luck in dealing with it. Buy the book for yourself, not just for her. Be the first to say you did.

See also: Key issues in origin of life studies

See also: Senior NASA origin of life scientist on a research thesis that smacks of “creationism” (Podhorille: “the answer to origin of life is not about a thermodynamic factor — which Pohorille says smacks of creationism.” )

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14 Replies to “Stuart Newman: Non-linear evolution

  1. 1
    Seversky says:

    I somehow doubt that a book titled The Origin of Life Circus is meant to be a serious, objective and unbiased review of the current state of research in the field.

  2. 2
    ppolish says:

    This non-linear approach to evolution blows the nested hierarchies out of the trees. Refreshing breeze. Like a hurricane lol.

  3. 3
    Upright BiPed says:

    Seversky, perhaps you should try reading it. You might even come to understand the title.

  4. 4
    EvilSnack says:

    Or it may be that a serious, objective, and unbiased review of the current state of research in the field leads to the conclusion that the field is a circus.

  5. 5
    Mung says:

    The scientific debate is no longer over whether it a circus, that is a fact. The debate is over how many rings it has.

    The Circus-Deniers just need to come to grips with the fact that it doesn’t matter how many rings we add, it’s still a circus.

  6. 6
    Robert Byers says:

    Its okay they oppose each other but its still like Marxists fighting trotskyites !
    They are saying details are wrong and fix them and creationism will go away.Nope.
    Its just dumb dealing with dumber!
    The big point here is about the scientific evidence for incredible conclusions about incredible biology origins.
    They are all just speculating and wasting ones time. With our money!
    They should demonstrate the basic biological scientific evidence for their conclusions that evolution really brought results.
    where is this evidence. bio sci evidence.
    Do they know what bio sci evidence looks like. not mere lines of reasoning.
    Does Susan Mazur know of any bio sci evidence??
    These “scientists’ work in conclusions that never would never jurt someone is they were wrong. They can get away with error. its not like rocket science.

  7. 7
    Tom Robbins says:

    I find it humorous or dangerous, depending on how you look at it, that a supporter of Random thoeries of evolution would simply read the title of a book and pass judgement on it. I could certainly do the same with “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.” Any theory based on the idea of favored races is obviously not objective..

  8. 8
    55rebel says:

    Have you ever heard of the concept… “Keep It Simple, Stupid”? Well, talk about convoluted, and complex, this thing they call “Evolution” (Neo Darwinian).

    Someone….ANYONE, who comes across something as simple as a mouse trap, immediately understands–consciously or not, that that object was designed, and created by an intelligent mind.
    But yet, that same individual can examine life at its molecular level, which BTW, just happens to be, the ‘holy Grail’ of science, technology and engineering today, and claim that it happened all by its self. This? IS the True definition of insanity, period.

    I once heard ( as in read 😛 ) a micro biologist describe the protein folding process (pico-, nano- & micro level?), that is happing millions of times over the course of a very short period of time in our bodies, as equivalent to someone trying to perform origami in a 200 mile per hour hurricane, while at the same time, hundreds of hands are reaching in and tugging at said project. If anyone gave it half a thought? It would be MUCH more: rational, logical and believable, to rationalize that there is a space shuttle (macro level, with its hundreds of miles of wiring, transistors and other ‘specialized’ components) somewhere in the universe, that just happened–all by its self, without ANY intelligent input. And to think, these individuals actually vote! Democracy… what a JOKE! –it actually is :/

  9. 9
    Mung says:

    OT: Design is taking over Silicon Valley

    More and more, designers are hired in upper management positions in tech companies, advocating for design from the top down. Read why now is the time to be a designer.

    Silly people. There’s no evidence for any designer(s).

  10. 10
    bornagain77 says:

    A few notes as to Stuart A. Newman. Stuart A. Newman has broke with neo-Darwinian evolution and has joined James Shapiro’s ‘The Third Way’:

    The Third Way web site provides a vehicle for new voices to be heard in evolution debates
    http://www.thethirdwayofevolution.com/
    Stuart A. Newman
    http://www.thethirdwayofevolut.....-a.-newman

    Of particular interest is this following quote from Stuart Newman in which I learned that ‘form’, i.e. Body Plans, are far harder to explain by the reductive materialistic framework of neo-Darwinism than I had originally been led to believe by neo-Darwinists:

    The Gene Myth, Part II – August 2010
    Excerpt: “It was long believed that a protein molecule’s three-dimensional shape, on which its function depends, is uniquely determined by its amino acid sequence. But we now know that this is not always true – the rate at which a protein is synthesized, which depends on factors internal and external to the cell, affects the order in which its different portions fold. So even with the same sequence a given protein can have different shapes and functions. Furthermore, many proteins have no intrinsic shape, (intrinsically disoredered proteins), taking on different roles in different molecular contexts. So even though genes specify protein sequences they have only a tenuous (very weak or slight) influence over their functions.
    ,,,,So, to reiterate, the genes do not uniquely determine what is in the cell, but what is in the cell determines how the genes get used. Only if the pie were to rise up, take hold of the recipe book and rewrite the instructions for its own production, would this popular analogy for the role of genes be pertinent.
    Stuart A. Newman, Ph.D. – Professor of Cell Biology and Anatomy
    http://darwins-god.blogspot.co.....rt-ii.html

    The fact that ‘form/shape’ is not directly reducible to sequences of biological information, as is held in neo-Darwinism, was also recently admitted in the following evolution friendly article:

    The Strange Inevitability of Evolution – Philip Ball – Jan. 2015
    Excerpt: Naively, you might expect RNAs with a similar shape, and thus presumably phenotype, to share a similar sequence, so that a map of the possible sequences—the sequence space, which can be represented as a many-dimensional space where each grid point corresponds to a particular sequence—is divided up into various “shape kingdoms” (See Not a Patch, a). But that wasn’t what Schuster found. Instead, RNAs with the same shape could vary very widely in sequence: You could get the same shape, and therefore potentially the same kind of catalytic function, from very different sequences.
    http://nautil.us/issue/20/crea.....-evolution

    This insurmountable problem of ‘form/shape’ for ‘bottom up’ neo-Darwinian explanations has now been demonstrated by a couple of different methods.
    For instance, the fact that proteins have ‘non-sequential’ quantum information determining the ‘form/shape’ of a protein, residing along the entirety of the protein chain, is demonstrated by the following:

    Proteins with cruise control provide new perspective:
    Excerpt: “A mathematical analysis of the experiments showed that the proteins themselves acted to correct any imbalance imposed on them through artificial mutations and restored the chain to working order.”
    http://www.princeton.edu/main/...../60/95O56/

    The preceding is solid confirmation that far more complex information resides along the entire protein chain than meets the eye.
    The calculus equations used for ‘cruise control’, that must somehow reside along the entire protein chain/structure, is anything but ‘simple’ classical information.
    For a sample of the equations that must be dealt with, to ‘engineer’ even a simple process control loop along a entire protein structure, please see this following site:

    PID controller
    Excerpt: A proportional–integral–derivative controller (PID controller) is a generic control loop feedback mechanism (controller) widely used in industrial control systems. A PID controller attempts to correct the error between a measured process variable and a desired setpoint by calculating and then outputting a corrective action that can adjust the process accordingly and rapidly, to keep the error minimal.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_controller

    In empirical confirmation of the preceding finding that non-sequential information must somehow reside along the entire protein chain, here is a paper that found ‘quantum information’ to reside along the entire protein structure:

    Classical and Quantum Information Channels in Protein Chain – Dj. Koruga, A. Tomi?, Z. Ratkaj, L. Matija – 2006
    Abstract: Investigation of the properties of peptide plane in protein chain from both classical and quantum approach is presented. We calculated interatomic force constants for peptide plane and hydrogen bonds between peptide planes in protein chain. On the basis of force constants, displacements of each atom in peptide plane, and time of action we found that the value of the peptide plane action is close to the Planck constant. This indicates that peptide plane from the energy viewpoint possesses synergetic classical/quantum properties. Consideration of peptide planes in protein chain from information viewpoint also shows that protein chain possesses classical and quantum properties. So, it appears that protein chain behaves as a triple dual system: (1) structural – amino acids and peptide planes, (2) energy – classical and quantum state, and (3) information – classical and quantum coding. Based on experimental facts of protein chain, we proposed from the structure-energy-information viewpoint its synergetic code system.
    http://www.scientific.net/MSF.518.491

    Moreover, to further highlight the fact that the form/shape of a protein is not reducible to sequential classical information of the protein, the profound mystery of how a protein folds so quickly is now found to belong to the world of quantum information, not to the world of classical information. (of note: I personally hold that quantum computation is heavily implicated in protein folding).

    Physicists Discover Quantum Law of Protein Folding – February 22, 2011
    Quantum mechanics finally explains why protein folding depends on temperature in such a strange way.
    Excerpt: First, a little background on protein folding. Proteins are long chains of amino acids that become biologically active only when they fold into specific, highly complex shapes. The puzzle is how proteins do this so quickly when they have so many possible configurations to choose from.
    To put this in perspective, a relatively small protein of only 100 amino acids can take some 10^100 different configurations. If it tried these shapes at the rate of 100 billion a second, it would take longer than the age of the universe to find the correct one. Just how these molecules do the job in nanoseconds, nobody knows.,,,
    Their astonishing result is that this quantum transition model fits the folding curves of 15 different proteins and even explains the difference in folding and unfolding rates of the same proteins.
    That’s a significant breakthrough. Luo and Lo’s equations amount to the first universal laws of protein folding. That’s the equivalent in biology to something like the thermodynamic laws in physics.
    http://www.technologyreview.co.....f-protein/

    As well, it is found that the ‘form/shape’ of DNA itself is determined, in large measure, by quantum information, not by sequential classical information:

    Quantum entanglement holds together life’s blueprint – 2010
    Excerpt: When the researchers analysed the DNA without its helical structure, they found that the electron clouds were not entangled. But when they incorporated DNA’s helical structure into the model, they saw that the electron clouds of each base pair became entangled with those of its neighbours. “If you didn’t have entanglement, then DNA would have a simple flat structure, and you would never get the twist that seems to be important to the functioning of DNA,” says team member Vlatko Vedral of the University of Oxford.
    http://neshealthblog.wordpress.....blueprint/

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    bornagain77 says:

    That ‘non-local’ quantum entanglement, which conclusively demonstrates that ‘information’ in its pure ‘quantum form’ is completely transcendent of any time and space constraints (Bell, Aspect, Leggett, Zeilinger, etc..), should be found in molecular biology on such a massive scale, in every DNA and protein molecule, is a direct empirical falsification of Darwinian claims, for how can the ‘non-local’ quantum entanglement ‘effect’ in biology possibly be explained by a material (matter/energy) cause when the quantum entanglement effect falsified material particles as its own causation in the first place? Appealing to the probability of various ‘random’ configurations of material particles, as Darwinism does, simply will not help since a timeless/spaceless cause must be supplied which is beyond the capacity of the material particles themselves to supply!

    Looking beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory – 29 October 2012
    Excerpt: “Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them,”
    http://www.quantumlah.org/high.....uences.php

    Closing the last Bell-test loophole for photons – Jun 11, 2013
    Excerpt:– requiring no assumptions or correction of count rates – that confirmed quantum entanglement to nearly 70 standard deviations.,,,
    http://phys.org/news/2013-06-b.....otons.html

    etc.. etc..

    In other words, to give a coherent explanation for an effect that is shown to be completely independent of any time and space constraints one is forced to appeal to a cause that is itself not limited to time and space! i.e. Put more simply, you cannot explain a effect by a cause that has been falsified by the very same effect you are seeking to explain! Improbability arguments of various ‘special’ configurations of material particles, which have been a staple of the arguments against neo-Darwinism, simply do not apply since the cause is not within the material particles in the first place!

    Another method of determinging that ‘form/shape’ is not reducible to ‘bottom up’ Darwinian explanations is by noting that the ‘form/shape’ of many proteins is determined, not by its sequential information but, by the overall context in which the protein is residing. Here is Dr. Newman’s quote again

    The Gene Myth, Part II – August 2010
    Excerpt: “It was long believed that a protein molecule’s three-dimensional shape, on which its function depends, is uniquely determined by its amino acid sequence. But we now know that this is not always true – the rate at which a protein is synthesized, which depends on factors internal and external to the cell, affects the order in which its different portions fold. So even with the same sequence a given protein can have different shapes and functions. Furthermore, many proteins have no intrinsic shape, (intrinsically disoredered proteins), taking on different roles in different molecular contexts. So even though genes specify protein sequences they have only a tenuous (very weak or slight) influence over their functions.
    ,,,,So, to reiterate, the genes do not uniquely determine what is in the cell, but what is in the cell determines how the genes get used. Only if the pie were to rise up, take hold of the recipe book and rewrite the instructions for its own production, would this popular analogy for the role of genes be pertinent.
    Stuart A. Newman, Ph.D. – Professor of Cell Biology and Anatomy
    http://darwins-god.blogspot.co.....rt-ii.html

    Dr. Wells weighs in here:

    Biology’s Quiet Revolution – Jonathan Wells – September 8, 2014
    Excerpt: In 1996, biologists discovered a protein that does not fold into a unique shape but can assume different shapes when it interacts with other molecules. Since then, many such proteins have been found; they are called “intrinsically disordered proteins,” or IDPs. IDPs are surprisingly common, and their disordered regions play important functional roles.,,,
    So it is not true that biologists know all the basic features of living cells and are merely filling in the details. Nor is it true that Darwinian evolution is a settled scientific “fact,” as its defenders claim. Huge unanswered questions remain, and they will only be answered by going beyond the discredited myth that “DNA makes RNA makes protein makes us.”
    http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....89651.html

    podcast – Dr. Jonathan Wells: Biology’s Quiet Revolution – September 17, 2014
    “We are talking about 1/3 of the proteins in our body, (could be Intrinsically Disordered Proteins)” – Jonathan Wells
    http://www.discovery.org/multi.....evolution/

    Another method to demonstrate that form/shape is not reducible to ‘bottom up’ neo-Darwinian explanations is by noting that it is the ‘bioelectric code’, not the genetic code, that dictates what the basic ‘form/shape’ an organism will be during embryological development:

    podcast – Jonathan Wells: Is There Biological Information Outside of the DNA?, pt. 3 – Bioelectric code
    http://intelligentdesign.podom.....5_52-07_00

    An Electric Face: A Rendering Worth a Thousand Falsifications – Cornelius Hunter – September 2011
    Excerpt: The video suggests that bioelectric signals presage the morphological development of the face. It also, in an instant, gives a peak at the phenomenal processes at work in biology. As the lead researcher said, “It’s a jaw dropper.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VULjzX__OM

    The face of a frog: Time-lapse video reveals never-before-seen bioelectric pattern – July 2011
    Excerpt: For the first time, Tufts University biologists have reported that bioelectrical signals are necessary for normal head and facial formation in an organism and have captured that process in a time-lapse video that reveals never-before-seen patterns of visible bioelectrical signals outlining where eyes, nose, mouth, and other features will appear in an embryonic tadpole.,,, “When a frog embryo is just developing, before it gets a face, a pattern for that face lights up on the surface of the embryo,”,,, “We believe this is the first time such patterning has been reported for an entire structure, not just for a single organ. I would never have predicted anything like it. It’s a jaw dropper.”,,,
    http://www.physorg.com/news/20.....-seen.html

    Here is another facsinating method by which it was clearly demonstrated that form/shape is not reducible to ‘bottom up’ neo-Darwinian processes:

    What Do Organisms Mean? Stephen L. Talbott – Winter 2011
    Excerpt: Harvard biologist Richard Lewontin once described how you can excise the developing limb bud from an amphibian embryo, shake the cells loose from each other, allow them to reaggregate into a random lump, and then replace the lump in the embryo. A normal leg develops. Somehow the form of the limb as a whole is the ruling factor, redefining the parts according to the larger pattern. Lewontin went on to remark: “Unlike a machine whose totality is created by the juxtaposition of bits and pieces with different functions and properties, the bits and pieces of a developing organism seem to come into existence as a consequence of their spatial position at critical moments in the embryo’s development. Such an object is less like a machine than it is like a language whose elements… take unique meaning from their context.[3]“,,,
    http://www.thenewatlantis.com/.....nisms-mean

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    bornagain77 says:

    Here is another powerful clue that the form/shape of an organism is not reducible to the sequential information in DNA and proteins:

    Ask an Embryologist: Genomic Mosaicism – Jonathan Wells – February 23, 2015
    Excerpt: humans have a “few thousand” different cell types. Here is my simple question: Does the DNA sequence in one cell type differ from the sequence in another cell type in the same person?,,,
    The simple answer is: We now know that there is considerable variation in DNA sequences among tissues, and even among cells in the same tissue. It’s called genomic mosaicism.
    In the early days of developmental genetics, some people thought that parts of the embryo became different from each other because they acquired different pieces of the DNA from the fertilized egg. That theory was abandoned,,,
    ,,,(then) “genomic equivalence” — the idea that all the cells of an organism (with a few exceptions, such as cells of the immune system) contain the same DNA — became the accepted view.
    I taught genomic equivalence for many years. A few years ago, however, everything changed. With the development of more sophisticated techniques and the sampling of more tissues and cells, it became clear that genetic mosaicism is common.
    I now know as an embryologist,,,Tissues and cells, as they differentiate, modify their DNA to suit their needs. It’s the organism controlling the DNA, not the DNA controlling the organism.
    http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....93851.html

    Another clue that form/shape is not reducible to the ‘bottom up’ materialistic explanations of neo-Darwinists is the fact that “Although living things occupy a three-dimensional space, their internal physiology and anatomy operate as if they were four-dimensional.”

    Post-Darwinist – Denyse O’Leary – Dec. 2010
    Excerpt: They quote West et al. (1999),
    “Although living things occupy a three-dimensional space, their internal physiology and anatomy operate as if they were four-dimensional. Quarter-power scaling laws are perhaps as universal and as uniquely biological as the biochemical pathways of metabolism, the structure and function of the genetic code and the process of natural selection.”
    They comment,
    “In the words of these authors, natural selection has exploited variations on this fractal theme to produce the incredible variety of biological form and function’, but there were severe geometric and physical constraints on metabolic processes.”
    “The conclusion here is inescapable, that the driving force for these invariant scaling laws cannot have been natural selection. It’s inconceivable that so many different organisms, spanning different kingdoms and phyla, may have blindly ‘tried’ all sorts of power laws and that only those that have by chance ‘discovered’ the one-quarter power law reproduced and thrived.”
    Jerry Fodor and Massimo Piatelli-Palmarini, What Darwin Got Wrong (London: Profile Books, 2010), p. 78-79.
    http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/16037/

    The predominance of quarter-power (4-D) scaling in biology
    Excerpt: Many fundamental characteristics of organisms scale
    with body size as power laws of the form:
    Y = Yo M^b,
    where Y is some characteristic such as metabolic rate, stride length or life span, Yo is a normalization constant, M is body mass and b is the allometric scaling exponent.
    A longstanding puzzle in biology is why the exponent b is usually some simple multiple of 1/4 (4-Dimensional scaling) rather than a multiple of 1/3, as would be expected from Euclidean (3-Dimensional) scaling.
    http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/~dre.....18_257.pdf

    4-Dimensional Quarter Power Scaling In Biology – video
    https://vimeo.com/129081707

    Of related interest, the metabolism of the brain scales to an even higher dimensional value than the rest of the body does:

    Scaling of Brain Metabolism and Blood Flow in Relation to Capillary and Neural Scaling – 2011
    Excerpt: Brain is one of the most energy demanding organs in mammals, and its total metabolic rate scales with brain volume raised to a power of around 5/6. This value is significantly higher than the more common exponent 3/4 (Quarter Power Scaling) relating whole body resting metabolism with body mass and several other physiological variables in animals and plants.,,,
    Moreover, cerebral metabolic, hemodynamic, and microvascular variables scale with allometric exponents that are simple multiples of 1/6, rather than 1/4, which suggests that brain metabolism is more similar to the metabolism of aerobic than resting body. Relation of these findings to brain functional imaging studies involving the link between cerebral metabolism and blood flow is also discussed.,,
    General Discussion Excerpt:
    ,,It should be underlined that both CBF and CMR scale with brain volume with the exponent about 1/4 which is significantly different from the exponent 1/4 relating whole body resting specific metabolism with body volume [1], [2], [3]. Instead, the cerebral exponent 1/6 is closer to an exponent,, characterizing maximal body specific metabolic rate and specific cardiac output in strenuous exercise [43], [44]. In this sense, the brain metabolism and its hemodynamics resemble more the metabolism and circulation of exercised muscles than other resting organs, which is in line with the empirical evidence that brain is an energy expensive organ [10], [17], [18]. This may also suggest that there exists a common plan for the design of microcirculatory system in different parts of the mammalian body that uses the same optimization principles [45].,,
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm.....MC3203885/

    And, besides higher metabolic rate, the brain also harbors a longer range quantum entanglement that the rest of the body does:

    ,,, zero time lag neuronal synchrony despite long conduction delays – 2008
    Excerpt: Multielectrode recordings have revealed zero time lag synchronization among remote cerebral cortical areas. However, the axonal conduction delays among such distant regions can amount to several tens of milliseconds. It is still unclear which mechanism is giving rise to isochronous discharge of widely distributed neurons, despite such latencies,,,
    Remarkably, synchrony of neuronal activity is not limited to short-range interactions within a cortical patch. Interareal synchronization across cortical regions including interhemispheric areas has been observed in several tasks (7, 9, 11–14).,,,
    Beyond its functional relevance, the zero time lag synchrony among such distant neuronal ensembles must be established by mechanisms that are able to compensate for the delays involved in the neuronal communication.
    Latencies in conducting nerve impulses down axonal processes can amount to delays of several tens of milliseconds between the generation of a spike in a presynaptic cell and the elicitation of a postsynaptic potential (16). The question is how, despite such temporal delays, the reciprocal interactions between two brain regions can lead to the associated neural populations to fire in unison (i.e. zero time lag).,,,
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm.....MC2575223/

    Quantum Entangled Consciousness – Life After Death – Stuart Hameroff – video
    https://vimeo.com/39982578

    The following paper appeals to a ‘non-local’, (i.e. beyond space and time), cause to try to explain the long range zero lag synchronization in neural circuits,,,

    Nonlocal mechanism for cluster synchronization in neural circuits – 2011
    Excerpt: The findings,,, call for reexamining sources of correlated activity in cortex,,,
    http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.3634

    I find the following video very fitting to the finding of 4-dimensional power scaling in our bodies:

    Dr Quantum – Flatland
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4

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    bornagain77 says:

    But perhaps the clearest, easiest to see, demonstration that ‘form/shape’ is not reducible to the ‘bottom up’ material explanations of neo-Darwinism is the fact that the ‘form/shape’ of an organism is almost immediately lost upon the death of an organism:

    Rabbit decomposition time-lapse (higher resolution) – video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6sFP_7Vezg

    In regards what is organizing the billion, trillion, protein molecules of the human body into a single cohesive whole (form/shape) for precisely a lifetime, Talbott asks this very important question about the sudden loss of cohesiveness at the death for an organism.
    Specifically he asks, “What power holds off that moment — precisely for a lifetime, and not a moment longer?”

    The Unbearable Wholeness of Beings – Stephen L. Talbott
    Excerpt: Virtually the same collection of molecules exists in the canine cells during the moments immediately before and after death. But after the fateful transition no one will any longer think of genes as being regulated, nor will anyone refer to normal or proper chromosome functioning. No molecules will be said to guide other molecules to specific targets, and no molecules will be carrying signals, which is just as well because there will be no structures recognizing signals. Code, information, and communication, in their biological sense, will have disappeared from the scientist’s vocabulary.
    ,,, the question, rather, is why things don’t fall completely apart — as they do, in fact, at the moment of death. What power holds off that moment — precisely for a lifetime, and not a moment longer?
    Despite the countless processes going on in the cell, and despite the fact that each process might be expected to “go its own way” according to the myriad factors impinging on it from all directions, the actual result is quite different. Rather than becoming progressively disordered in their mutual relations (as indeed happens after death, when the whole dissolves into separate fragments), the processes hold together in a larger unity.
    http://www.thenewatlantis.com/.....-of-beings

    “What power holds off that moment — precisely for a lifetime, and not a moment longer?”
    picture –
    http://cdn-4.spiritscienceandm.....ardd-2.jpg

    There are two question in regards to the ‘non-local’, beyond space and time, quantum information, that is giving and organism its shape. The first question is, ‘where does this non-local quantum information come from in the first place?’

    Psalm 139:13
    For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.

    The second question is, ‘where does this quantum information, that was keeping the organism alive for ‘precisely a lifetime’, suddenly go upon the death of an organism?’
    Neo-Darwinists would hold that the biological information simply completely disappears from reality upon the death of an organism (since they hold information to be merely ’emergent’ from a material basis).
    But the fact of the matter is that the quantum information, the information that was in fact ‘holding life together’ for precisely a lifetime, is ‘conserved’ and does not simply disappear from reality:

    Quantum no-hiding theorem experimentally confirmed for first time
    Excerpt: In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed. This concept stems from two fundamental theorems of quantum mechanics: the no-cloning theorem and the no-deleting theorem. A third and related theorem, called the no-hiding theorem, addresses information loss in the quantum world. According to the no-hiding theorem, if information is missing from one system (which may happen when the system interacts with the environment), then the information is simply residing somewhere else in the Universe; in other words, the missing information cannot be hidden in the correlations between a system and its environment.
    http://www.physorg.com/news/20.....tally.html

    Quantum no-deleting theorem
    Excerpt: A stronger version of the no-cloning theorem and the no-deleting theorem provide permanence to quantum information. To create a copy one must import the information from some part of the universe and to delete a state one needs to export it to another part of the universe where it will continue to exist.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.....onsequence

    Information Conservation and the Unitarity of Quantum Mechanics
    Excerpt: “In more technical terms, information conservation is related to the unitarity of quantum mechanics. In this article, I will explain what unitarity is and how it’s related to information conservation.”
    http://youngsubyoon.com/QMunitarity.htm

    Black holes don’t erase information, scientists say – April 2, 2015
    Excerpt: The research marks a significant step toward solving the “information loss paradox,” a problem that has plagued physics for almost 40 years, since Stephen Hawking first proposed that black holes could radiate energy and evaporate over time. This posed a huge problem for the field of physics because it meant that information inside a black hole could be permanently lost when the black hole disappeared—a violation of quantum mechanics, which states that information must be conserved.
    http://phys.org/news/2015-04-b.....sts.html+/

    Besides providing direct empirical falsification of neo-Darwinian claims as to the generation of information, the implication of finding ‘non-local’, beyond space and time, and ‘conserved’ quantum information in molecular biology on a massive scale is fairly, and pleasantly, obvious.

    Does Quantum Biology Support A Quantum Soul? – Stuart Hameroff – video (notes in description)
    http://vimeo.com/29895068

    That pleasant implication being the strong scientific validation of the Theist’s contention that we are distinct ‘persons’, are distinct ‘souls’, that live in a material body and that we are not ‘persons/souls’ who are co-terminus with our material bodies as atheists hold:

    “You don’t have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body.”
    George MacDonald – Annals of a Quiet Neighborhood – 1892

    As to specifically where this ‘conserved’ quantum information goes, well there are ‘theories’ in that regards as well. ‘Theories’ that are much more well supported than the evidence free multiverse theories of atheists that try to ‘explain away’ the fine-tuning of the universe:

    Special Relativity, General Relativity, Heaven and Hell
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_4cQ7MXq8bLkoFLYW0kq3Xq-Hkc3c7r-gTk0DYJQFSg/edit

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    bornagain77 says:

    Verses and Music:

    John 8:23-24
    But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.

    Mark 8:36-37
    “For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul? “For what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

    Building 429: “Where I Belong” – Official Music Video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he32vwlKQPY

    Quote:

    “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
    Shakespeare – Hamlet

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