Sure enough, mass murderer of Muslim students is a Darwin fan

_{Denyse O'Leary

February 11, 2015

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Killer of 3 UNC-Chapel Hill Muslim Students Was Hardcore Anti-Religion Atheist Progressive
Craig Stephen Hicks, 46, has been charged in the execution-style murder of newlyweds, bride’s sister.

I looked at his apparent Facebook page, Atheists for Equality, and sure enough, not far down, a Bill Nye “zinger” turned up (January 27, 9:46):

… if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, in your world that’s completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that’s fine, but don’t make your kids do it because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can — we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.

Quote can be found at ABC News (Hicks’ chosen page format doesn’t let me copy paste.)

No, this isn’t Bill Nye’s fault, of course! But to judge from other massacres, such as the Norway terrorist Anders Breivik (self-described Darwinian), the Finnish school shooter (instrument of natural selection), and the Columbine murderers (acting on Darwinian principles), there is a pattern.

A pattern often denied. See, for example: Jerry Coyne’s Statements Turn Out To Be Uninformed Blithering.

It is not theories about evolution as such that cause this type of thing, but theories about Darwinian evolution in particular. The notion of survival of the fittest and all that …

Creepily, another post, second below (January 27, 7:10) reads,

People say nothing can solve the Middle East problem. Not mediation, not arms, not financial aid. I say there is something. Atheism.~Jr Grover

Well, Hicks is a man who acted on his beliefs, we can sure say that for him.

Stop all teaching of Darwinism in the schools now.

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Wd400 just because there are religious people that believe in Darwinian evolution doesn't mean that it's stripped of its moral emptiness or religious connotations . I was one of those that believed in it for the first 41 years of my life and in fact defended it in my debates with people that didn't believe in it. But when u look at Darwinian evolution from a pragmatic point of view it leads naturally to social Darwinism. And what's to stop any Darwinist from correctly arguing from this Darwinian worldview that the weak who poison the gene pool shouldn't be eliminated ? They are nothing but pieces of meat that came about through random processes and chemical interactions , nothing more right ? It's no different then morality in an atheistic worldview . There is no objective morality there . It's all subjective opinion . A man that butchers a billion people is no more objectively good or evil then someone who helps an old lady cross the street during rush hour . What's funny is that there are still people like u that deny this reality of Darwinian evolution .wallstreeter43_{February 12, 2015
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From science to scientism in the Obama era
This disregard for humans reflects a reductionist form of Darwinian theory. Christopher Manes, one of the early leaders of the environmentalist group Earth First!, explains:
Taken seriously, evolution means there is no basis for seeing humans as more advanced or developed than any other species. Homo sapiens is not the goal of evolution, for as near as we can tell evolution has no telos—it simply unfolds, life-form after life-form. Elephants are no more developed than toadstools, fish are no less advanced than birds, cabbages have as much ecological status as kings. Darwin invited humanity to face the fact that the observation of nature has revealed not one scrap of evidence that humankind is superior or special, or even particularly more interesting than, say, lichen.
A similar Darwinian worldview inspired ecoterrorist James Lee, who in 2010 took staff of the Discovery Channel hostage. Lee called on the Discovery Channel to “talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people’s brains until they get it!” Lee’s stated goal was to save “what’s left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies!”
Heartlander_{February 12, 2015
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It's certainly a very serious issue humbled, but neither you or News seem capable of a serious discussion. The OP is not about a religious position, but about "Darwinism" which many religious people (in fact, most religious people in the west but outside the US) agree with. If your reaction to hearing of this murder is to go out and scan the murderer's facebook for tenuous links to a scientific theory you oppose then I think you probably have your priorities wrong.wd400_{February 11, 2015
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"Or perhaps you should point out which bits of evolutionary biology lead people to murder and must be banned from schools?" WD400, stop playing games, this is a very serious issue. The problem concerns the philosophy and behaviours of the darwin believers. Darwinists are anti-human. You deny the existence of conciousness, emotions like love and reduce everything to the point it becomes meaningless. You push for the extermination of the weak and vulnerable, they are wasting your precious resources after all, and you have no moral code (unless borrowed) to follow. Now many people have come to recognise your beliefs as nothing more than secular fairytales but some actually listen and believe these claims. These people, like the worst lunatics the world has ever known, places no value on human life, nothing on human exceptionalism and accept a universe whereby everything and everyone are one gigantic cosmic accident. Whether we live or die is of no consequence. It is these beliefs, this worldview that has spawned the worst tyrants the world has ever known and the destruction the followed. I personally think people that genuinely believe this tripe should be committed for the safety of the human race. You'll exterminate us all given half the chance.humbled_{February 11, 2015
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Piotr, au contraire, I hold that you are ignoring the much meatier matters to focus on pointless inanities. Pray tell, is the question of the reality of your own eternal soul truly of more or less importance to you than the question of my particular definitions of unguided evolution? I hold that if you say that my particular definitions of unguided evolution are of more importance to you than the question of your eternal soul then you certainly have your priorities in life severely mixed up.
Matthew 16:26 What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? Bring Me To Life - Evanescence - Wake Me O Lord! - Inspirational song and poem https://vimeo.com/38692431
bornagain77_{February 11, 2015
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OK, I shouldn't have asked you a question. I thought you were trying to make an argument, but you were only muttering inanities and listening to your own voice, as usual.Piotr_{February 11, 2015
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Piotr, what do you 'understand' by 'you'? “You don’t have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body.” George MacDonald - Annals of a Quiet Neighborhood - 1892 Evidence to that effect https://uncommondescent.com/darwinism/1-dawkins-wants-to-land-porn-on-muslim-world-2-dawkins-yawnfest-has-just-got-to-stop/#comment-545518 "The neural circuits in our brain manage the beautifully coordinated and smoothly appropriate behavior of our body. They also produce the entrancing introspective illusion that thoughts really are about stuff in the world. This powerful illusion has been with humanity since language kicked in, as we’ll see. It is the source of at least two other profound myths: that we have purposes that give our actions and lives meaning and that there is a person “in there” steering the body, so to speak. To see why we make these mistakes and why it’s so hard to avoid them, we need to understand the source of the illusion that thoughts are about stuff." [A.Rosenberg, The Atheist Guide to Reality, Ch.9] If 'you' hold you are merely your body without a soul of what real consequence or purpose is anything?bornagain77_{February 11, 2015
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Bornagain, What do you understand by "Darwinism" and "Darwinian"?Piotr_{February 11, 2015
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as to: "Or perhaps you should point out which bits of evolutionary biology lead people to murder,,,?" What bits do you think drove this guy?
Recalling the Wannsee Conference - Michael Egnor - January 24, 2015 Excerpt: Last week marked the 73rd anniversary of the Wannsee Conference, which was the meeting in 1942 held in a villa in a Berlin suburb where Nazi officials planned the Final Solution. The SS representative at the meeting was General Reinhard Heydrich, one of Himmler's top deputies. Although genocide was already underway in the occupied portions of the Soviet Union and in Serbia, Nazi officials discussed the need for a more comprehensive program to exterminate European Jews. From the article published by the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: Heydrich announced that "during the course of the Final Solution, the Jews will be deployed under appropriate supervision at a suitable form of labor deployment in the East. In large labor columns, separated by gender, able-bodied Jews will be brought to those regions to build roads, whereby a large number will doubtlessly be lost through natural reduction. Any final remnant that survives will doubtless consist of the elements most capable of resistance. They must be dealt with appropriately, since, representing the fruit of natural selection, they are to be regarded as the core of a new Jewish revival." Despite the evidence that Darwinism profoundly contributed to informing Nazism, Darwinists persist in denying the documented links between the Darwinian understanding of nature and man and the Nazi policies to take control of natural selection and breed a master race along explicitly Darwinian lines. SS General Heydrich was a key figure in the planning of the Holocaust, and was the leading voice at the Wannsee Conference. The argument that Darwinists have is not with modern critics of Darwinian anthropology, but with the Nazis themselves, who were clear about the Darwinian motivations for their policies. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/01/recalling_the_w092991.html
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I long ago gave up a trying to correct the misuse of the term Darwinism here, so stick to the house-style where it just means mainstream evolutionary biology. That distraction aside, to you want to answer the question? Or perhaps you should point out which bits of evolutionary biology lead people to murder and must be banned from schools?wd400_{February 11, 2015
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News, Are you trying to say that e.g. random drift can be taught in schools but natural selection is somehow dangerous (assuming that you equate "Darwinism" with the latter)? While we're at it, what do you mean by Darwinism? If it's the theory of natural selection, what has it got to do with a murderous head case who probably didn't know what he was talking about when he mentioned Darwin? In what way could killing someone you disagree with possibly influence the human gene pool? If you mean something like Herbert Spencer's social Darwinism, it isn't a scientific theory, and I don't think it's taught in schools, so what are you protesting against?Piotr_{February 11, 2015
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Readers, notice how wd400 equates Darwinism - which was named - with evolutionary biology as such. That is what a Darwinist is - for the record.News_{February 11, 2015
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wd400:
And that therefore evolutionary biology shouldn’t be taught in schools?
Man, give it a rest. Nobody has said that evolutionary biology had anything to do with this crime. But evolutionary biology should certainly not be taught in our schools because it is part of the religion of atheism. And that's against the law.Mapou_{February 11, 2015
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Are you actually claiming this murder was (in some small) caused by the murderers belief in evolutionary biology? And that therefore evolutionary biology shouldn't be taught in schools? All this based on a quote he reproduced on a Facebook page?wd400_{February 11, 2015
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News:
Stop all teaching of Darwinism in the schools now.
Yes. The separation of church and state is the law of the land. There must be no exception. Our schools have become fundamentalist madrasas for atheism.Mapou_{February 11, 2015
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People have always used their religion to kill other people. Atheists are no different. Lately though, atheists have been going jihadists on the rest of us. But we have all seen what atheists can do when they gain power. Remember the millions killed by the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc?Mapou_{February 11, 2015
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