Thanks EL, But, You Know, “Fool Me Once . . .”

It is in guano, with the link deleted. Elizabeth B Liddle

What happened to that post? Mung

Yes, I did. I also read your comment about the statue and how it makes you tingle. Virgil Cain

VC: "That is simply untrue. That image was as much “porn” as your posting of the statue of David." You saw it did you? Elizabeth B Liddle

The proof that TSZ is a coward's haven run by cowards is observed in the challenge for them to reference the theory of evolution. They love to attack people for saying there isn't one and yet have failed to refere4nce it when challenged. The only response to that challenge was a coward asking for the theory of ID even though I had never said anything about such a theory. The cowardice can also be observed in Elizabeth Liddle's post on natural selection producing CSI. She is obviously clueless and just flailing away, as all cowards do. Virgil Cain

Elizabeth:

This is simply untrue.

All evidence to the contrary, of course.

Precisely two people have been banned at TSZ, one for posting a link to a porn image,

That is simply untrue. That image was as much "porn" as your posting of the statue of David.

What does happen is that we have a set of rules of discourse in the main part of the site

And you and yours do not follow them. Cheers, Virgil Cain Virgil Cain

@30 Mapou I have been on Zach's blog and he appears to be an Obamaton. hahahaha Jack Jones

No. Elizabeth B Liddle

Liddle:

This is simply untrue. Precisely two people have been banned at TSZ, one for posting a link to a porn image, and one for repeatedly referring to a regular poster here by their real life name, which is against our rules of outing.

Are you referring to Lee Croteau aka Zachriel? This is not an outing. Everybody knows who the jackass is. ahahaha...AHAHAHA...ahahaha... Mapou

"... but sewers are in important part of public health" A ringing endorsement for a web site! Lizzie, are you thinking of changing the banner at TSZ? Mung

Byers:

Mapou By Darwinist plant do you mean the old strict selection on mutation or the modern inclusions of genetic drift?? evolutionists complain if Darwinism is used as the title in describing the evolution of things like plants.

There is no doubt that you are a gutless Darwinist plant. You often drop your guard and change your writing style from that of a homophobic Bible-thumping moron to a highly educated (brainwashed) Darwinist pretending to be otherwise. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You people are not nearly as smart as you think you are. Your little religious cult is cretinous to a fault. Mapou

Upright BiPed, I suggest TSZ to be renamed to The Septical Zone... J-Mac

Mapou By Darwinist plant do you mean the old strict selection on mutation or the modern inclusions of genetic drift?? evolutionists complain if Darwinism is used as the title in describing the evolution of things like plants. Robert Byers

Virgil Cain: "TSZ is a coward’s haven and it is run by ignorant cowards. They get upset and either ban or moderate you when you expose their ignorance." This is simply untrue. Precisely two people have been banned at TSZ, one for posting a link to a porn image, and one for repeatedly referring to a regular poster here by their real life name, which is against our rules of outing. A third member has also come close for this second reason. The one who was banned for linking to a porn image is now almost certainly back, under a different name, and we are happy to tolerate this as long as there is no repeat of the rule violation. You may know this person. As for "moderation" - posts are very rarely placed in moderation, and when they are, this is an emergency temporary measure to prevent, for example, "outing". Whatever the faults of TSZ, over-zealous banning and moderation are not two of them. Some may wish that the banning and moderation was MORE zealous, but we prefer to err on the side of letting people have their say. What does happen is that we have a set of rules of discourse in the main part of the site, and posts that violate these rules are moved to a different part of the site, where they remain visible, can be linked to and referred to, and can be reposted if necessary, in a rule-compliant manner. In a sense that is our "sewer" but sewers are in important part of public health, and in keeping with our Antarctic proclivities, we call it "guano". And I repeat, Barry's experience was the result of an aberration, his post was quickly restored, and we have now closed the loophole by which it happened. Elizabeth B Liddle

StephenB, Well, if that's the same keiths we all know and love he was probably just quote-mining the Holy Spirit. Mung

I entered the TSZ once and I was given total freedom of expression. So, I think Barry's experience was probably a aberration. However, during my visit to that site, KeithS, in a futile attempt to respond to my refutations of his uninformed biblical fantasies, blasphemed the Holy Spirit. I immediately left the scene without comment. I will not return until KeithS apologizes to the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity, which is another way of saying that I will never return. StephenB

This is what passes for a scientific theory over on TSZ:

No evolutionary theory? Alleles change in frequency under a process I call environmental design, resulting in differential survival and reproduction. Variation in alleles arises from processes one could generally describe as mutation. Reiteration of both processes can result in morphological change over time. There’s quite a lot of references in the literature on evolutionary theory.- Alan Fox

What a crock- that isn't a theory and it might as well be talking about baraminology. The TSZ ilk are scientifically illiterate. Virgil Cain

TSZ is a coward's haven and it is run by ignorant cowards. They get upset and either ban or moderate you when you expose their ignorance. Virgil Cain

Mapou: Robert Byers a darwinist plant? That's an idea! Let's see what he says about that. I would like very much to be a darwinist plant too. Or maybe an UD plant at TSZ under false identity. Anything adventurous would do! :) gpuccio

Mung: TSZ as a secret mirror for our hidden sins? Interesting... :) gpuccio

I posted at TSZ for some time in the past, and I had a rather good experience there. I don't do it any more only because I have decided that my little time and energies are not enough to allow me to post both at UD and at other sites. Moreover, posting on a site which is mainly, or completely, made up by interlocutors "on the other side" is certainly interesting, but definitely tiring... :) gpuccio

Robert Byers:

i post on TSZ and find it excellent in fairness and reasonableness and I insist. Origin contentions are a contact sport and many get sucky and bitter. TSZ does a good job in good faith. I recommend folks should give each other a playing chance. i say this even if i get dumped tomorrow. By the way the guys on the side of accuracy and the future and attacking fortresses should always be the more liberal and understand the side that will lose must somewhere in the secrets of the soul sense they will lose. Creationists always must be the bigger man but TSZ doesn’t need any of that. They are okay.

It's strange but the more I read Byer's comments on UD, the more I suspect that he is a Darwinist plant. The man regularly posts bigoted or insanely weird comments on UD. Most are comments that seem designed to make ID proponents look like a bunch of homophobic Bible preaching coon-heads. Is UD the target of the atheist homosexual lobby? I would not be surprised. If true, that would be a dastardly and distasteful tactic. I mean, using the politics of homosexuality to impose their materialist cult on the rest of us is not exactly a nice thing to do. My point is that an association is being built up so that, if you are pro-ID, you are probably a homophobe. But then again, maybe I'm just being paranoid on account of recent world events. Mapou

I don't understand the hostility towards TSZ. I mean, if I had never ventured over there I might never have learned that I have a long and sordid history of anti-gay bigoted behavior at UD. I might also have never learned that the reason there's no evidence of that sordid history is that I do such a great job of hiding my anti-gay bigotry. It's amazing what you can learn about yourself there. I highly recommend it. Mung

If the regulars at TSZ post in good faith then there is an education problem. :razz: Virgil Cain

I'm touched, Robert, and thanks for the endorsement :) We don't do a perfect job, but I think we don't do too badly given the contentious topics. Elizabeth B Liddle

i post on TSZ and find it excellent in fairness and reasonableness and I insist. Origin contentions are a contact sport and many get sucky and bitter. TSZ does a good job in good faith. I recommend folks should give each other a playing chance. i say this even if i get dumped tomorrow. By the way the guys on the side of accuracy and the future and attacking fortresses should always be the more liberal and understand the side that will lose must somewhere in the secrets of the soul sense they will lose. Creationists always must be the bigger man but TSZ doesn't need any of that. They are okay. Robert Byers

LoL! Alan Fox would get eaten alive in these waters, Lizzie. Although he is too dim to admit that fact. You don't stand a chance here, either. Virgil Cain

I have just been informed by Alan Fox, one of the admins, that we have closed the loophole by which OP poster's can moderate comments on their threads. So it's safe to go back in the water, Barry. Which is more than I can say for Alan Fox's chances in the waters of UD. Elizabeth B Liddle

'Shape-shifters', one and all. How could it be otherwise ? Axel

Dr Liddle, TSZ has become a sewer. Your denial of that fact is idle. But surely that was not your plan. Upright BiPed

Hi Barry As you know, that error was restored, and you were given posting permissions (to post an OP) at TSZ. Those permissions remain (I have just checked). We have a firm principle not deleting posts, or editing them except under exceptional and well defined circumstances, and while there is a software issue that means that we cannot easily prevent OP posters from having editing permissions over comments in their threads, there is a rule against doing so, and if it happens, any edits are promptly reinstated. I apologise for what happened with you; it violated the founding principle of TSZ, was restored, and, as far as I know, has not recurred. You may have other reasons for not wanting to post at TSZ, but be reassured that the fear that your posts will deleted need not be one of them. Elizabeth B Liddle

I was really disappointed to see tsz patrons soliciting business on the Sandwalk. They were attempting to form a union with Larry to stop posting about the UD website, it was quite pathetic. beau

joehalfgallon @4, I do all those things and more. It's a way to show contempt for mental midgets. It's fun when the other side behaves like jackasses. Speaking of which, where is that dishonest troll, Zachriel? :-D Mapou

joehalfgallon, It happens here. But, personally, I think the maturity level in general over there at The (so-called) "Skeptical" Zone is a lot worse than here. Otherwise I'd frequently the place more. I'm mike1962 and I approve this message. mike1962

"Too many emotional retards over there." I agree. People at UD are much more mature than at TSZ. I have seen very few people here call opposing commenters liars, stupid, willfully dishonest, pathetic snivelling cowards, Strawman Humpers, dirt worshippers, and other immature epithets that the people at TSZ use all the time in describing us. joehalfgallon

KN promptly trashed everything I wrote. Oh? What did he say? Would a third party say he behaved more or less civilly than you, when you hold forth here? Pro Hac Vice

Barry can post freely here without all the childish abuse. Too many emotional retards over there. mike1962

I tried posting at TSZ and also got trashed. Don't do it. joehalfgallon