Uncommon Descent Serving The Intelligent Design Community

The arsonist’s tale: Misconceptions about intelligent design

Share
Facebook
Twitter
LinkedIn
Flipboard
Print
Email

When people examine a new idea for the first time, they often approach it from a basis of older, assumed ideas which cause confusion. They can’t really evaluate the new idea properly until the source of confusion has been identified.

In discussing the intelligent design controversy with people, I sometimes hear the following comment:

If scientists conclude that something is designed, then they are just taking the easy way out, and they won’t be able to find out anything more about it.

The comment – actually, more often a passionate outburst – come at such an oblique angle that it requires a bit of unpacking – all the more so because it is frequently followed up by other, similar ones. On rare occasions, time is permitted for a thoughtful response, so here’s one:

Let us look at a real life example: Suppose we say: If the fire marshall’s office (FMO) concludes that a fatal fire has been set deliberately, then they are just taking the easy way out, and they won’t be able to find out anything more about it.

What’s wrong with this picture? Clearly, the question of whether the fire was set deliberately must first be addressed as a question of fact. There is no other way to determine the origin of the fire than to address it first as a question of fact.

Perhaps the origin cannot be determined at all. But only an intensive investigation can demonstrate that.

If the FMO concludes that the fire is arson, far from losing the ability to find out anything more, it is in a position to focus on key details (Where was the fire started? What accelerant and how much? What was the pattern and timing of spread?).*

(*Many other questions can later be asked by the police – for example, were the charred victims intended to die in the fire? Or was their presence unforeseen and accidental? Or were they unlucky arsonists engulfed by flames?)

Assuming that the FMO can render a decision on these questions based on fact, in what sense would it be taking the easy way out?

Not in any sense I can think of. If the police investigate the circumstances surrounding the fire and lay charges, the FMO must defend its verdict against the lawyer for the accused, who will attempt, as one strategy among many, to cast doubt on the FMO findings, imply that the FMO routinely bungles cases or – in a pinch – that virtually any pattern of accelerants can be accounted for by random events or that it is never possible to determine the cause of a fire with certainty. (The analogies to the intelligent design controversy require no unpacking.)

If her client’s case looks pretty bad, the defense lawyer may even try arguing that arson is a natural cause because people are, well, “just natural animals”. (This defense will work better if her client has looked and acted, throughout the proceedings, like a large rodent crammed into a dress suit, and appears truly unable to grasp the moral significance of the accusations against him.)

At any rate, this analogy from everyday law enforcement helped me think of how to respond to the somewhat confused outburst captured above:

Design must first be addressed as a question of fact. Evidence pro or con can only be acquired by investigation and anywhere design turns out to be a fact, it must be factored into further fruitful investigation.

Should scientists refuse to consider design a possibility because they are “objective”? Well, how about this: Suppose the FMO gets a call from a leading local politician announcing that he wants the arson investigation called off because the FMO has no business assuming that someone might have wanted that building torched?

If the FMO thinks it has reasonable grounds for pursuing its present line of inquiries, should it meekly accept that argument? Should we assume that the politician obstructing the investigation is “objective”? Or rather that he is trying to defend somebody or something? In the same way, materialists attempting to suppress ID-friendly scientists are hardly “objective” in the matter.

The reason the outburst above is confused is that the speaker assumes that design is not a conclusion that can be arrived at by considering evidence and moving on to identify patterns. Underlying that assumption is a lifetime of steady indoctrination by materialism.

Comments
"If scientists conclude that something is designed, then they are just taking the easy way out, and they won’t be able to find out anything more about it." Sheesh. What a stupid argument. I guess that would mean that: If mechanics concluded that my car is designed, then they are just taking the easy way out, and they won't be able to find out why it's making that funny noise and not running right. Or: If a doctor (me for e.g.) concludes that the human body was designed, he's just taking the easy way out and won't be able to find out what's wrong with it or anything else about it. I'm sure thousands of medical students will be happy to hear they needn't learn any more about human anatomy, physiology, etc. etc. because if it's a result of design there's no use studying it. I guess I have to toss everything I learned in medical school, residency, and 15 years of practice because I don't believe the human body is a result of random processes. And what do I tell all the patients whose disorders I've diagnosed and corrected over the years? Sorry, I didn't really know what I was doing, you can't really walk again, it's all in your mind, and by the way your mind doesn't exist either, it's just an epiphenomenon of your brain?dacook
March 28, 2007
March
03
Mar
28
28
2007
07:16 AM
7
07
16
AM
PDT
I like the analogy, especially the part about questioning the motives of the interfering politician. I have a question. I can understand someone objecting the claim that intelligent design is evidenced in some particular entity because of some particular evidence "x". However, is the anti-ID community objecting that it would be impossible to detect intelligent design, assuming some organic entities are inherently design? If so, is this because they believe, and have a discussable reason, that any possible test for ID is somehow necessarily doomed to failure, or that intelligent design, if it were to exist in some organic entities, is necessarily empirically undectable. In other words, if a group of anti-ID scientist were given a large grant to come up with a test for ID in organic entities plus a large cash award if successful to boot, what reasons would these scientist likely give for their inability to accomplish this task (outside of their claim that ID is ruled out by the definition of science and any reasons they might have for maintaining that methodological naturalism is the proper way to do science)? I ask this question in the spirit of O'Leary's post: responding well to the anti-ID community.KMO
March 28, 2007
March
03
Mar
28
28
2007
07:13 AM
7
07
13
AM
PDT
Jerry, as an evolutionist I agree entirely with you. The single biggest problem facing ID at the moment is its perception and association with YEC, and in all honesty there are vanishingly few ID supporters who are willing to risk cutting off the political support of the YEC crowd. As far as I can make out from my time trolling around this blog, most "advanced" ID theorists support common descent and other theories entirely compatible with "mainstream" science; the criticisms of mainstream evolutionary theory tend to centre around abiogenesis and the "speed limits" on evolution. There's plenty of room for debate around these areas (the only honest answer for a scientist talking about abiogenesis is "we don't know"), but as long as mainstream science equates ID with YEC, there's no chance. The thing is, the ID community has got to take a stand in order to be taken seriously. Cast off the association with YEC and other blatantly unscientific theories, because if you're in it for the science then the politics shouldn't be an issue. On a side note: I've been very interested in the range of different theories supported by IDers (see above): if I were to set up a quick, highly unscientific poll to see (boradly) what the consensus or range of views of readers of this blog was (from YEC through ID to pure mat-evo), would people participate?Phevans
March 28, 2007
March
03
Mar
28
28
2007
07:09 AM
7
07
09
AM
PDT
Denyse, We are in a rhetorical game and we are losing big time. Many sit here and are so proud that they can answer all the arguments of the Darwinists but what they won't admit is that ID has a lot of baggage that it cannot shake. How can we promote ID as science when it is closely associated with what is considered the major anti-science philosophy of YEC. All science with YEC is driven by a philosophical viewpoint, not the science itself just as all science for the Darwinists is driven by their philosophical viewpoint. So how can ID promote itself as science when so many of its proponents are seen as anti-science. We can use all the logic in the world or publish a thousand books and articles but it is so easy to paint ID as anti-science. Here is an example that appeared on a major blog a few days ago http://boortz.com/nuze/200703/03262007.html#conservatives When major bloggers see this they run as fast as they can from any association with ID. I am sorry if this offends the religious beliefs of some here but it has to be said. As long as ID is associated with YEC it will go nowhere. And don't tell me that many of the YEC people reject ID, because that is irrelevant even if true because many, many do espouse it and it drives what is considered here to a large extent. Few threads that consider something that is anti to the YEC philosophy get more than a token number of comments here.jerry
March 28, 2007
March
03
Mar
28
28
2007
06:57 AM
6
06
57
AM
PDT
To borrow a line from the anti-IDists: "This type of argument isn't anything that brass knuckles, steel-toed boots and baseball bats can't rectify." ;) The sad part is that reality demonstrates that is matters a great deal to an investigation whether or not that which is being investigated arose via intent, accident or nature, operating freely. And in the end:
Intelligent Design is the study of patterns in nature that are best explained as the result of intelligence. — William A. Dembski
"The study of" is more than enough to show that there is at least an attempt to know something more about it. After all in the absence of direct observation or designer input the ONLY way to make any determination about it is by studying it.Joseph
March 28, 2007
March
03
Mar
28
28
2007
06:50 AM
6
06
50
AM
PDT
1 2 3

Leave a Reply