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The dirty dozen: Twelve fallacies evolutionists make when arguing about the origin of life

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One of the advantages of having an academic background in philosophy is that you learn how to spot bad arguments. The origin of life is a subject where fallacious arguments proliferate. In this post, I’ve put together a list of a dozen common fallacies that bedevil scientific speculations regarding the origin of life. The next time you come across a paper on the origin of life in a science journal, you might like to check how many fallacies the author of the paper commits. For the sake of convenience, I’ve listed the fallacies here:

1. The fallacy of begging the question.
2. The fallacy of conflating the issues.
3. The fallacy of confusing the unknown with the undemonstrated.
4. The fallacy of large numbers.
5. The fallacy of invoking the infinite.
6. The fallacy of invoking a hidden intelligent designer.
7. The fallacy of the over-generalized description.
8. The fallacy of inferring possibility from picturability, a.k.a. the Pegasus fallacy.
9. The fallacy of ignoring the experimental evidence.
10. The fallacy of understating the problem.
11. The fallacy of adopting over-optimistic estimates.
12. The fallacy of arguing from unproven conjectures.

1. The fallacy of begging the question.

Diagram of a cyanobacterium. An oft-cited 2008 paper by Dryden, Thomson and White assumes the existence of bacteria in order to demonstrate that their claim the entire suite of all possible functional proteins could have been tried out during the 4-billion-year history of life on Earth. But since bacteria (the simplest living things) require proteins in order to function in the first place, what the authors really need to explain is how Nature could have “hit upon” a functional protein before life arose. This is a particularly pressing problem for evolutionists, since as we’ll see below, only a tiny fraction (less than 1 in 1060) of all possible protein sequences are functional, and even 4 billion years wouldn’t have been enough time for a functional protein to have arisen by chance. Image courtesy of Kelvinsong and Wikipedia.

The first and most egregious fallacy regarding the origin of life is the fallacy of begging the question: since we’re here, life must have originated by some chemical process. This fallacy was committed by no less an authority than Professor John D. Sutherland, a chemist at the UK-based Medical Research Council’s Laboratory of Molecular Biology, the co-author of a 2009 article in Nature on the origin of life and the co-winner, along with former colleague Matthew Powner, of the 2012 Origin of Life Challenge. In an interview titled “Where did we come from?” (February 16, 2011) with scientist Neil deGrasse Tyson, host of the PBS show NOVASCienceNow, Professor Sutherland stated: “We’re here on the planet, and we must be here as a result of organic chemistry.” In other words, we’re here, so abiogenesis (the origin of life from non-living matter) must be possible somehow. Of course, that conclusion doesn’t follow unless one assumes all of the following premises:

(1) Life began at some point in time during the history of the universe;
(2) The complexity which characterizes life must have had some cause; and
(3) The universe is a causally closed system during the entire course of its history: nothing and no-one outside it can interact with it in any way.

Finally, in order to rule out intelligently guided organic chemistry explaining the origin of life via front-loading (as I presume Sutherland would wish to do), one would have to assume an additional premise:

(4) Neither the laws nor the initial conditions of our universe were set by an intelligent being.

The first premise can of course be ascertained scientifically, and the second premise is an admission that the complexity of life requires an explanation of some sort – a point which even New Atheists such as Richard Dawkins readily concede. However, the third and fourth premises can only be described as blatantly question-begging metaphysical assumptions. We don’t know that the universe is causally closed, and we don’t know that it was not designed. Professor Sutherland’s assertion that “we must be here as a result of organic chemistry” is therefore without warrant: it simply begs the question.

An even more egregious example of the fallacy of begging the question can be found in a 2008 paper by David Dryden, Andrew Thomson and John White of Edinburgh University, titled, How much of protein sequence space has been explored by life on Earth? (Journal of the Royal Society, Interface 6 August 2008, vol. 5 no. 25, pp. 953-956, doi: 10.1098/​rsif.2008.0085), which defends the claim that during the course of life’s evolution, living organisms have tried out all possible functional proteins.

Two assumptions are generally made when considering the molecular evolution of functional proteins during the history of life on Earth. Firstly, the size of protein sequence space, i.e. the number of possible amino acid sequences, is astronomically large and, secondly, that only an infinitesimally small portion has been explored during the course of life on Earth

We suggest that the vastness of protein sequence space is actually completely explorable during the populating of the Earth by life by considering upper and lower limits for the number of organisms, genome size, mutation rate and the number of functionally distinct classes of amino acids. We conclude that rather than life having explored only an infinitesimally small part of sequence space in the last 4 Gyr [4 billion years – VJT], it is instead quite plausible for all of functional protein sequence space to have been explored and that furthermore, at the molecular level, there is no role for contingency…

Hence, we hope that our calculation will also rule out any possible use of this big numbers ‘game’ to provide justification for postulating divine intervention (Bradley 2004; Dembski 2004).

I should point out in passing that neither of the authors (Bradley and Dembski) cited in the final sentence of Dryden, Thomson and White’s paper argued for “divine intervention”; all they argued for was the occurrence of Intelligent Design in Nature.

However, since Dryden, Thomson and White are attempting to obviate the need for an Intelligent Designer, it is not enough for them to show that “for all practical (i.e. functional and structural) purposes, protein sequence space has been fully explored during the course of evolution of life on Earth” (italics mine). But since even bacteria (the simplest living things) require proteins in order to function in the first place, what the authors really need to explain is how Nature could have “hit upon” a functional protein before life arose. As we’ll see below, it turns out that only a tiny fraction (less than 1 in 1060) of all possible protein sequences are functional. This fraction is so small that even 4 billion years wouldn’t have been enough time for a functional protein to have arisen by chance on the primordial Earth. In their attempt to rule out any requirement for “divine intervention,” Dryden, Thomson and White are putting the cart before the horse.

Dr. Cornelius Hunter, a graduate of the University of Illinois with a Ph.D. in Biophysics and Computational Biology, has also pointed out this fallacy in Dryden, Thomson and White’s paper, in a recent post over at his blog, Darwin’s God, titled, Response to Comments: Natural Selection Doesn’t Help, Gradualism is Out, and so is Evolution (July 2, 2011):

To defend their second claim, that evolution can easily search the entire protein sequence space, the evolutionists present upper and lower bound estimates of the number of different sequences evolution can explore.

Their upper bound estimate of 10^43 (a one followed by 43 zeros) is ridiculous. It assumes a four billion year time frame with 10^30 bacteria constantly testing out new proteins. First, even for an upper bound estimate their time frame is about two to three orders of magnitude too large. And furthermore, from where did these bacteria come? Bacteria need thousands of, yes, proteins. You can’t use bacteria to explain how proteins first evolved when the bacteria themselves require an army of proteins.

The lower bound of 10^21 is hardly any more realistic. The evolutionists continue to use the four billion year time frame. And they also continue to rely on the pre existence of an earth filled with a billion species of bacteria (with their many thousands of pre existing proteins).

Since its publication, Dryden, Thomson and White’s article has been cited by no less than 21 scientific papers. Remarkably, none of the papers’ authors seems to have noticed the fallacy in the article they cited.

2. The fallacy of conflating the issues.

Left: A schematic of the type III secretion-system needle-complex, a protein appendage found in several Gram-negative bacteria. It is composed of approximately 30 different proteins. Image courtesy of Pixie and Wikpedia.
Right: Evolutionary biologist Lynn Margulis (1938-2011), photographed at a conference in La Coruña, Spain, on November, 9, 2005. Margulis once remarked: “To go from a bacterium to people is less of a step than to go from a mixture of amino acids to a bacterium.” (The End of Science, by John Horgan. Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Inc., 1996, pp. 140-141.) Image courtesy of Javier Pedreira and Wikipedia.

The second fallacy committed by biologists when discussing the origin of life is the fallacy of conflating the issues – in this case, the issues of abiogenesis and the evolution of life (whether as a result of natural selection, as Darwinists believe, or a mutation-driven process, as Professor Masatoshi Nei contends, is irrelevant here).

In an interview on the PBS show “Faith and Reason,” Professor Richard Dawkins argued that the origin of life was a relatively simple problem, as it was the subsequent process of evolution which performed most of the work of generating the complexity of life:

The origin of life — the key process in the origin of life was the arising of a self-replicating molecule. This was a very simple thing compared with what it’s given rise to. By far the majority of the work in producing the elegant complexity of life is done after the origin of life, during the process of evolution. There does remain the very first step — I don’t think it’s necessarily a bigger step than several of the subsequent steps, but it is a step. And it’s a step which we don’t fully understand — mainly because it happened such a long time ago, and under conditions when the Earth was very different. And so it’s not necessarily possible to simulate again the chemical conditions of the origin of life. There are various theories for how it might have happened. None of them is yet fully convincing. It may be that none of them ever will be, because it may be that we shall never know fully what the conditions were. But I don’t find it at all a deeply mysterious step.

However, there are sound logical arguments against conflating the problem of life’s origin with the problem of how the first living things could have evolved into complex organisms. Even if the scientific case for complex life-forms arising through an unguided process of evolution were absolutely airtight, it would prove absolutely nothing about the probability of abiogenesis. Demonstrating that life evolved by an unguided process does not prove that it originated by an unguided process.

In his interview with PBS, Professor Dawkins downplays the difficulty of the origin of life on Earth: it involved the generation of “a self-replicating molecule,” which was “a very simple thing,” compared to “the work in producing the elegant complexity of life.” Dawkins might have done well to heed a remark made by evolutionary biologist Lynn Margulis (1938-2011), who was interviewed by John Horgan in The End of Science (Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Inc., 1996, pp. 140-141), that “To go from a bacterium to people is less of a step than to go from a mixture of amino acids to a bacterium.”

3. The fallacy of confusing the unknown with the undemonstrated.

Charles Darwin in 1881. A copy made by John Collier (1850-1934) in 1883 of his 1881 portrait of Darwin. Given to the National Portrait Gallery, London in 1896. Image courtesy of the National Portrait Gallery and Wikipedia.

The third fallacy is the fallacy of confusing the unknown with the undemonstrated. It is often argued that even if we have no idea how life on Earth originated, this shouldn’t alarm us: after all, physicists had no explanation for how gravity worked until Einstein came up with his General Theory of Relativity in 1915. Charles Darwin himself was guilty of this fallacy when he wrote:

It is no valid objection that science as yet throws no light on the far higher problem of the essence or origin of life. Who can explain what is the essence of the attraction of gravity? No one now objects to following out the results consequent on this unknown element of attraction; notwithstanding that Leibnitz formerly accused Newton of introducing “occult qualities and miracles into philosophy.” (The Origin of Species by means of natural selection, or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life. London: John Murray. 6th edition, 1872. Chapter XV, page 421.)

The mechanism of gravity was entirely unknown in Darwin’s day, as was the alleged mechanism for the origin of life from non-living matter. Nevertheless, there is a vital difference between the two. The existence of gravity can be publicly demonstrated, whereas abiogenesis cannot. Gravity is scientifically measurable, but we have no evidence that life ever originated from non-living matter.

4. The fallacy of large numbers.

An exceptionally clear picture of the stars in the night sky, taken by astronomer Håkon Dahle at ESO’s La Silla Observatory in the Atacama desert, Chile. Many people argue that the emergence of life somewhere in the cosmos is inevitable, given the vast number of stars in the universe. Image courtesy of Håkon Dahle and Wikipedia.

The fourth fallacy on my list is what I will call the fallacy of large numbers – also known as the fallacy of appealing to “deep time” and/or the vastness of the universe, in order to explain the origin of life. One hears this argument with boring regularity, in popular discussions of the probability of intelligent life in outer space: “Look at all the stars out there! They’ve got planets, and there appears to be nothing special about our planet: scientists have already found some earth-like planets in our neighborhood. Are you seriously going to tell me we’re the only planet in the entire cosmos that has intelligent life?” And if this argument holds true for intelligent life, it must also hold, a fortiori, for life itself.

A milder version of this fallacy can be found in the writings of scientists who contend that the origin of life in our universe on at least one occasion – on Earth, billions of years ago – is not all that surprising, given the vast size and age of the cosmos. Nobel Prize winner and Harvard University Professor George Wald committed this fallacy in a now-famous article titled, “The origin of life” (Scientific American 191(2):44–53, August 1954), where he wrote:

When we consider the spontaneous origin of a living organism, this is not an event that need happen again and again. It is perhaps enough for it to happen once. The probability with which we: are concerned is of a special kind; it is the probability that an event occur at least once. To this type of probability a fundamentally important thing happens as one increases the number of trials. However improbable the event in a single trial, it becomes increasingly probable as the trials are multiplied. Eventually the event becomes virtually inevitable…

Time is in fact the hero of the plot. The time with which we have to deal is of the order of two billion years. What we regard as impossible on the basis of human experience is meaningless here. Given so much time, the “impossible” becomes possible, the possible probable, and the probable virtually certain. One has only to wait: time itself performs the miracles…

The important point is that since the origin of life belongs in the category of at-least-once phenomena, time is on its side. However improbable we regard this event, or any of the steps which it involves, given enough time it will almost certainly happen at least once. And for life as we know it, with its capacity for growth and reproduction, once may be enough.

I should mention in passing that Professor Wald, in subsequent correspondence, added that he had “no strong personal prejudice against invoking God’s intervention in the origin of life,” pointing out that “[t]he Jesuit priest, John Turberville Needham, a great champion of spontaneous generation, believed that God created matter initially with the potentiality of spontaneously generating life.”

In a subsequent article in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, titled, “The Origins of Life” (PNAS, Aug 1964; 52(2): 595–611), Wald went further, and estimated that “The number of planets suitable for life in the already observed universe may be of the order of 1017” (p. 601), adding: “This number is so vast – even if it were reduced a million times – as to make it difficult to avoid the conclusion that life is widespread in the universe.”

The fallacy implicit in this conclusion is that it assumes that the probability of life’s originating on Earth exceeds some finite threshold. In Professor Wald’s 1964 article, the threshold he assumed was a probability of one in a million. If that were the case, then indeed, all we would have to do is wait for life to appear on suitably hospitable planets. The problem, however, is that in the absence of solid experimental data, we have no grounds for assuming that the probability of life originating from non-living matter exceeds one in a million. Professor Wald was simply engaging in idle speculation.

5. The fallacy of invoking the infinite.

Giordano Bruno claimed that there were an infinite number of worlds. This derivative modern illustration of Giordano Bruno is taken from a modern version of “Livre du recteur” (1578), University of Geneva, which is thought to be based on an original drawing – in other words, this is a copy of a copy. Image courtesy of Wikipedia.

The fifth fallacy, which might be considered a “fallback position” for people who embrace the previous fallacy, is the fallacy of invoking the infinite – in other words, appealing to the infinite multiverse in order to explain the origin of life. In a peer-reviewed article, “The Cosmological Model of Eternal Inflation and the Transition from Chance to Biological Evolution in the History of Life” (Biology Direct 2 (2007): 15, doi:10.1186/1745-6150-2-15), evolutionary biologist Dr. Eugene Koonin claims that the emergence of even a basic replication-translation system on the primordial Earth is such an astronomically unlikely event that we would need to postulate a vast number of universes, in which all possible scenarios are played out, in order to make its emergence likely. Thus Koonin is forced to appeal to the multiverse, in order to render the origin of life probable. The scientific argument presented in Koonin’s peer-reviewed paper has been republished (in virtually identical form) in his recent book, The Logic of Chance: The Nature and Origin of Biological Evolution (Upper Saddle River: FT Press, 2011, ISBN 978-0-13-262317-9).

However, the multiverse hypothesis is plagued by two problems of its own: first, it merely shifts the fine-tuning problem up one level, as a multiverse capable of generating any life-supporting universes at all would still need to be fine-tuned; and second, even the multiverse hypothesis implies that a sizable proportion of universes (including perhaps our own) were intelligently designed. In an influential essay entitled, The Teleological Argument: An Exploration of the Fine-Tuning of the Universe (in The Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology, edited by William Lane Craig and J. P. Moreland, 2009, Blackwell Publishing Ltd.), Dr. Robin Collins offers a scientific explanation of why even a “multiverse-generator” would still fail to eliminate the need for fine-tuning:

In sum, even if an inflationary-superstring multiverse generator exists, it must have just the right combination of laws and fields for the production of life-permitting universes: if one of the components were missing or different, such as Einstein’s equation or the Pauli Exclusion Principle, it is unlikely that any life-permitting universes could be produced. Consequently, at most, this highly speculative scenario would explain the fine-tuning of the constants of physics, but at the cost of postulating additional fine-tuning of the laws of nature.

Additionally, physicist Paul Davies has argued that the multiverse hypothesis is just as “theological” as the hypothesis that there is a God, since it implies the existence of intelligently designed universes:

Among the myriad universes similar to ours will be some in which technological civilizations advance to the point of being able to simulate consciousness. Eventually, entire virtual worlds will be created inside computers, their conscious inhabitants unaware that they are the simulated products of somebody else’s technology. For every original world, there will be a stupendous number of available virtual worlds – some of which would even include machines simulating virtual worlds of their own, and so on ad infinitum.

Taking the multiverse theory at face value, therefore, means accepting that virtual worlds are more numerous than “real” ones. There is no reason to expect our world – the one in which you are reading this right now – to be real as opposed to a simulation. And the simulated inhabitants of a virtual world stand in the same relationship to the simulating system as human beings stand in relation to the traditional Creator.

Far from doing away with a transcendent Creator, the multiverse theory actually injects that very concept at almost every level of its logical structure. Gods and worlds, creators and creatures, lie embedded in each other, forming an infinite regress in unbounded space.

— Paul Davies, A Brief History of the Multiverse, New York Times, 12 April 2003.

6. The fallacy of invoking a hidden intelligent designer.

The “successes” reported in origin-of-life experiments are invariably the result of intelligent chemists controlling each step of the process. Consequently, they prove absolutely nothing regarding the possibility of life originating via an unguided process. In this photo, synthetic chemist Julie Perkins works to link two molecules, each of which binds to two protein binding sites, to make a new molecule that will bind more strongly and securely to a specific toxin protein than the individual molecules can. Photo courtesy of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and Wikipedia.

The sixth fallacy, which is often overlooked by scientists when they are zealously promoting their preferred model of the origin of life, is the fallacy of invoking a hidden intelligent designer. If you are going to put forward a model of how life could have arisen from non-living matter via an unguided process, then you really cannot expect to be taken seriously if the model you propose assumes the existence of a designer.

I referred above to the article in Nature (May 14, 2009; 459(7244):239-42, doi: 10.1038/nature08013) by Matthew W. Powner, Beatrice Gerland & John D. Sutherland, titled, “Synthesis of activated pyrimidine ribonucleotides in prebiotically plausible conditions,” in which the authors proposed that nucleotides could have joined together to form from natural chemicals, and thus create life.

In 2009, I contacted Professor John Walton, a chemist and professor at the University of St Andrews, for his take on the experiment by Powner, Gerland and Sutherland, and received the following reply:

I have seen previous papers by Sutherland and co-workers on supposed prebiotically plausible syntheses. The Nature paper you mention is of much the same kind. It’s nice chemistry, carried out with the best reagents and lab equipment, supervised by intelligent chemists. They use pure components, separate and purify products using the most up to date methods. They control the pH, temperature, reaction medium, reaction mixture, contact time, and energy input. Although they claim their route is plausible under prebiotic conditions, nothing in their paper makes this believable. They haven’t solved the stereoselectivity problem. They haven’t solved the problems of chemoselectivity in assembly of the pyrimidine ribonucleotides and they don’t address the problem of the information needed to assemble the nucledotides in the right order. What they show is that with intelligent chemists supervising each step of the process, nucleotides can be accessed from some simple molecules. It is good evidence of intelligent design at work.

Dr. Stephen Meyer, the acclaimed author of Signature in the Cell, has also pointed out that the experiment by Powner, Garland and Sutherland relied on intelligent design, in a letter to the Times Literary Supplement, which its editors chose not to publish:

Starting with several simple chemical compounds, Powner and colleagues successfully synthesized a pyrimidine ribonucleotide, one of the building blocks of the RNA molecule.

Nevertheless, this work does nothing to address the much more acute problem of explaining how the nucleotide bases in DNA or RNA acquired their specific information-rich arrangements, which is the central topic of my book [Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design]. In effect, the Powner study helps explain the origin of the “letters” in the genetic text, but not their specific arrangement into functional “words” or “sentences.”

Moreover, Powner and colleagues only partially addressed the problem of generating the constituent building blocks of RNA under plausible pre-biotic conditions. The problem, ironically, is their own skillful intervention. To ensure a biologically-relevant outcome, they had to intervene — repeatedly and intelligently — in their experiment: first, by selecting only the right-handed isomers of sugar that life requires; second, by purifying their reaction products at each step to prevent interfering cross-reactions; and third, by following a very precise procedure in which they carefully selected the reagents and choreographed the order in which they were introduced into the reaction series.

Thus, not only does this study not address the problem of getting nucleotide bases to arrange themselves into functionally specified sequences, but the extent to which it does succeed in producing biologically relevant chemical constituents of RNA actually illustrates the indispensable role of intelligence in generating such chemistry.

Sadly, the above-cited paper by Powner, Gerland and Sutherland is all too typical of scientific papers dealing with the origin of life, in assuming the occurrence of a highly artificial sequence of steps that needs to be set up by an intelligent being in the first place, in order to generate the molecules leading to the first life-forms.

7. The fallacy of the over-generalized description.

A plasma lamp. Some researchers have seriously proposed that plasma-based life forms exist on other planets in the cosmos, and that they may even have existed on the primordial Earth. Image courtesy of Luc Viatour and Wikipedia.

The seventh fallacy that recurs in arguments surrounding the origin of life is the fallacy of the over-generalized description. Proponents of this fallacy argue that since life can elsewhere in the universe may be exotic and completely different to life on Earth, the probability of the emergence of life may be much, much higher than we imagine. “Life on other planets may be very different from life on Earth,” they say. “It may not contain DNA, like terrestrial life. It may not even be carbon-based. It may be utterly unlike anything that we can imagine. All it needs to be able to do is metabolize, grow and replicate. There are lots of things in Nature that might be able to do that. So the probability of finding life of some sort somewhere in the cosmos is likely to be quite high.”

This kind of thinking is exemplified in an article by David Cohen in New Scientist (17 September 2003), titled, “Plasma blobs hint at new form of life“, which suggested the possibility of a plasma-based form of life elsewhere in the cosmos, and even proposed that it may have preceded DNA-based life on Earth:

Physicists have created blobs of gaseous plasma that can grow, replicate and communicate – fulfilling most of the traditional requirements for biological cells. Without inherited material they cannot be described as alive, but the researchers believe these curious spheres may offer a radical new explanation for how life began.

Most biologists think living cells arose out of a complex and lengthy evolution of chemicals that took millions of years, beginning with simple molecules through amino acids, primitive proteins and finally forming an organised structure. But if Mircea Sanduloviciu and his colleagues at Cuza University in Romania are right, the theory may have to be completely revised. They say cell-like self-organisation can occur in a few microseconds

Sanduloviciu grew spheres from a few micrometres up to three centimetres in diameter… Each sphere had a boundary made up of two layers – an outer layer of negatively charged electrons and an inner layer of positively charged ions…

A distinct boundary layer that confines and separates an object from its environment is one of the four main criteria generally used to define living cells. Sanduloviciu decided to find out if his cells met the other criteria: the ability to replicate, to communicate information, and to metabolise and grow.

He found that the spheres could replicate by splitting into two. Under the right conditions they also got bigger, taking up neutral argon atoms and splitting them into ions and electrons to replenish their boundary layers.

Finally, they could communicate information by emitting electromagnetic energy, making the atoms within other spheres vibrate at a particular frequency. The spheres are not the only self-organising systems to meet all of these requirements. But they are the first gaseous “cells”.

Sanduloviciu even thinks they could have been the first cells on Earth, arising within electric storms. “The emergence of such spheres seems likely to be a prerequisite for biochemical evolution,” he says…

[P]erhaps the most intriguing implications of Sanduloviciu’s work are for life on other planets. “The cell-like spheres we describe could be at the origin of other forms of life we have not yet considered,” he says. Which means our search for extraterrestrial life may need a drastic re-think. There could be life out there, but not as we know it.

The problem with this line of thinking is that even if the possibility of exotic life-forms is real, the question of how carbon-based life-forms arose, and in particular, how DNA-based (or for that matter, RNA-based) life-forms arose, remains just as intractable as it was before. Exotic life-forms don’t help us to solve this problem.

At this point, proponents of exotic life might turn around and object that I am being unreasonable and asking for too much: they could argue that while the origin of life in general during the history of the cosmos is highly probable, the origin of any particular biological molecule (such as DNA) may nevertheless be vastly improbable, just as the probability of getting the particular hand of cards that you are dealt in a game of Snap is astronomically low. But this objection can be met if we can show that life on Earth satisfies a general description which makes no mention of any particular molecule. A scientist can then reasonably ask how life satisfying that general description could have possibly originated, especially if she has good grounds for believing that the probability of that kind of life originating via unguided chemical processes is vanishingly low.

And indeed, it is not difficult to find such a general description, which applies to all life-forms on Earth but makes no mention of any specific molecule. All life on Earth requires the existence of proteins, which perform a vast array of functions within living organisms. What’s more, living things require not only simple proteins but also large, complex proteins – and to make matters worse, there are no known gradual pathways to forming such proteins. The term “protein” is a general one: it applies to any long chain of amino acid residues, bonded together by peptide bonds, which can fold up and perform a useful function. The question of how large, complex proteins arose is a scientifically legitimate one, and its difficulty would in no way be diminished by the discovery of exotic, plasma-based life-forms.

8. The fallacy of inferring possibility from picturability, a.k.a. the Pegasus fallacy.

Statue of Pegasus on the roof of Poznań Opera House. Some eminent origin-of-life researchers are guilty of committing what I call the “Pegasus fallacy”: the fallacy of assuming that something is possible simply because it is imaginable. We can all imagine a flying horse, but it is only when we ask ourselves, “How would it fly?” that we realize that such a horse is not really possible. Image courtesy of Radomil and Wikipedia.

The eighth fallacy that one repeatedly encounters in discussions of the origins of life is the fallacy of inferring possibility from picturability. I have elsewhere referred to this as the Pegasus fallacy: if something is imaginable, then it is possible. (We can all imagine Pegasus in our heads, but this mental picture is merely superficial, as it ignores the fundamental question of how a horse would fly in the first place. When we ask ourselves this question, we realize that the existence of Pegasus is impossible.) This fallacy of inferring possibility from picturability can be regarded as the converse of another fallacy, which Richard Dawkins refers to as the argument from incredulity, where someone declares an event to be impossible, simply because he cannot imagine how it could have happened. On this point, Dawkins is correct: our inability to mentally picture how an event might have happened tells us nothing about the possibility of its occurring in the real world. But by the same token, the mere fact that we can picture how an event might have happened tells us nothing about whether the actual occurrence of that event is a realistic possibility (i.e. one that exceeds some threshold of probability that would make its occurrence scientifically credible) or not. To answer that question, we need two things: a picture with the requisite level of detail, and some solid mathematics.

An example of this kind of thinking can be found in a PBS interview for NOVA online (May 3, 2004; posted July 1, 2004), in which Joe McMaster, producer of “Origins: How Life Began,” interviewed paleontologist Andrew Knoll, a professor of biology at Harvard and author of Life on a Young Planet: The First Three Billion Years of Life. During the course of the interview, Professor Knoll stated:

I can imagine that there was a time before there was life on Earth, and then clearly there was a time X-hundred thousand years or a million years later when there were things that we would all recognize as biological. But there’s no question that we must have gone through some intermediate stage where, had you been there watching them, you might have placed your bets either way.

So I can imagine that on a primordial Earth you would have replicating molecules — not particularly lifelike in our definition, but they’re really getting the machinery going. Then some of them start interacting together and pretty soon you have something a little more lifelike, and then it incorporates maybe another piece of nucleic acid from somewhere else, and by the accumulation of these disparate strands of information and activity, something that you and I would look at and agree “that’s biological” would have emerged.

The problem with this kind of airy speculation is that the picture Professor Knoll sketches is entirely lacking in the requisite chemical details, and has no mathematical calculations to demonstrate the feasibility of the chemical steps involved. When a scientist says “I can imagine,” the typical response of his or her peers will be, “Show me.” Later on in the interview, Professor Knoll acknowledged this problem himself:

…[I]t’s fairly easy to make simple sugars, molecules called bases which are at the heart of DNA, molecules called amino acids which are at the heart of proteins. It’s fairly easy to make some of the fatty substances that make the coverings of cells. Making all of those building blocks individually seems to be pretty reasonable, pretty plausible.

The hard part, and the part that I think nobody has quite figured out yet, is how you get them working together. How do you go from some warm, little pond on a primordial Earth that has amino acids, sugars, fatty acids just sort of floating around in the environment to something in which nucleic acids are actually directing proteins to make the membranes of the cell?

Somehow you have to get all of the different constituents working together and have basically the information to make that system work in one set of molecules, which then directs the formation of a second set of molecules, which synthesizes a third set of molecules, all in a way that feeds back to making more of the first set of molecules. So you end up getting this cycle. I’m not sure we’ve gotten very far down the road to understanding how that really happens.

Indeed.

9. The fallacy of ignoring the experimental evidence.

Scientists in a laboratory of the University of La Rioja. A number of recent papers on the origin of life have relied on what evolutionary biologist John Maynard Smith (1920-2004) has disparagingly referred to as “fact-free science” – i.e. science without any experimental data to back it up. Image courtesy of Urcomunicacion and Wikipedia.

The ninth fallacy plaguing origin-of-life discussions is the fallacy of ignoring the experimental evidence. In an article titled, From Complexity to Perplexity, author John Horgan takes aim at the hypothesis developed by Stuart Kauffman, of the Santa Fe Institute, that artificial life can shed light on the origin of life on Earth:

…[E]volutionary biologist John Maynard Smith of the University of Sussex…, who pioneered the use of mathematics in biology, took an early interest in work at the Santa Fe Institute and has twice spent a week visiting there. But he has concluded that artificial life is “basically a fact-free science.” During his last visit, he recalls, “the only time a fact was mentioned was when I mentioned it, and that was considered to be in rather bad taste.”

Another example of this kind of thinking can be found in a paper by Martin A. Nowak and Hisashi Ohtsuki, titled, Prevolutionary dynamics and the origin of evolution (PNAS 2008 : 0806714105v1-0; doi: 10.1073/pnas.0806714105; published online September 12, 2008). The authors handily summarize their thesis as follows:

Traditionally, one thinks of natural selection as choosing between different replicators. Natural selection arises if one type reproduces faster than another type, thereby changing the relative abundances of these two types in the population. Natural selection can lead to competitive exclusion or coexistence. In the present theory, however, we encounter natural selection before replication. Different information carriers compete for resources and thereby gain different abundances in the population. Natural selection occurs within prelife and between life and prelife. In our theory, natural selection is not a consequence of replication, but instead natural selection leads to replication. There is “selection for replication” is replicating sequences have a higher abundance than nonreplicating sequences of a similar length. We observe that prelife selection is blunt: typically small differences in growth rates result in small differences in abundance. Replication sharpens selection: Small differences in replication rates can lead to large differences in abundance.

Commenting on the article in a post over at Evolution News and Views (August 22, 2011), Jonathan McLatchie hit the nail on the head in a pithy observation he made:

The model proposed in this paper is highly theoretical and speculative — with no substantive practical experimental research to back it up.

In his post, McLatchie highlighted an additional flaw of the article by Novak and Ohtsuki: its inadequate treatment of the biological concept of functional information. The authors’ failure to address a key concept in biology renders their mathematical calculations (which, to be fair, are quite rigorous) largely irrelevant:

It’s not entirely clear in what sense the authors are using the term “information,” nor that they understand it. They tell us that “prelife is a generative system that can produce information.” We are also told that “Evolution needs a generative system that can produce unlimited information. Evolution needs populations of information carriers.” They also tell us on the first page that they “can define a prebiotic chemistry that can produce any binary string and thereby generate, in principle, unlimited information and diversity.” Since when was a set of random strings of characters a sound definition of “information” — at least in any meaningful sense as applied to biology?

10. The fallacy of understating the problem.

The protein hexokinase, with the much smaller molecules of ATP and the simplest sugar, glucose, shown in the top right corner for comparison. At present, evolutionists are still struggling to explain how relatively small molecules like ATP might have been generated on the primordial Earth. They are nowhere near solving the problem of how proteins formed, let alone how the first life arose. Image courtesy of Tim Vickers and Wikipedia.

A tenth fallacy which comes up again and again in scientific discussions of the origins of life is the fallacy of understating the problem. Five years ago, a paper by Matthew Powner, Beatrice Gerland and John Sutherland, titled, Synthesis of activated pyrimidine ribonucleotides in prebiotically plausible conditions (Nature 459:239-242), grabbed headlines around the world when one of the papers authors, Professor John D. Sutherland, announced that they had show how nucleotides, the building blocks of RNA, could have spontaneously assembled themselves in the conditions of the primitive earth. “Chemist Shows How RNA Can Be the Starting Point for Life,” screamed the New York Times, in an article by Nicolas Wade (May 13, 2009). A pertinent question at this point might be: how big is a nucleotide, anyway? And how big is the smallest known independent living organism? (I won’t count viruses here, as they are inert on their own, and can only replicate inside other organisms.)

Chemical structure of a typical nucleotide, deoxyadenosine monophosphate. In 2009, Matthew Powner, Beatrice Gerland and John Sutherland announced that they had succeeded in synthesizing a nucleotide in the laboratory under conditions they claimed could have existed on the primordial Earth. However, a typical nucleotide has only a few dozen atoms, whereas the simplest known independent life-form contains at least one million times more atoms. Image courtesy of cacycle and Wikipedia.

The smallest known parasitic bacterium, M. genitalium has a molecular weight of 360,110 kilodaltons (kDa), or 360,110,000 daltons, while the smallest known free-living bacterium, Pelagibacter ubique, is more than twice as massive. (One dalton can roughly be defined as the mass of a typical hydrogen atom.) Printed in 10 point font, the letters of the M. genitalium JCVI-1.0 genome span 147 pages. By contrast, the RNA nucleotide which Sutherland et al. manufactured (ribo-cytidine phosphate) has a molecular weight of less than 360 daltons: less than a millionth that of the simplest bacterium.

The problem with the hype surrounding Sutherland’s paper should by now be readily apparent: it was totally out of proportion to the minor achievement that they had performed in the lab. The molecule they synthesized contained a mere two dozen or so atoms. By contrast, the number of atoms in an E. coli bacterium is around 7,000,000,000 – quite some difference!

Another example of the fallacy of understating the problem can be found in the ongoing scientific debate over how proteins might have arisen on the primordial Earth. Some experts have proposed that the first proteins may have been relatively short, making their emergence by random processes far more likely.

Dr. Cornelius G. Hunter is a graduate of the University of Illinois where he earned a Ph.D. in Biophysics and Computational Biology. In a recent personal communication, Dr. Hunter highlighted the problem with this proposal:

“Proteins are by no means created equal. They occupy a wide spectrum of size and complexity… Nor is there reason to think that evolution could live with the shorter, simpler ones at first, and then later somehow the larger, more complex ones would evolve. The larger ones appear to be needed, and there are not obvious gradual pathways to forming them… We’re still not close to the more complex proteins.”

11. The fallacy of adopting over-optimistic estimates.

The eleventh fallacy, closely related to the tenth, is the fallacy of adopting over-optimistic estimates.

Scientists now agree that only a very small proportion of all possible protein sequences has the property of being able to fold up and create a stable 3D structure. This finding severely undermines the claim that proteins could have arisen by an unguided process, as Dr. Ann Gauger explains in a post titled Protein Evolution: A Guide for the Perplexed:

…[T]he problem is that the number of possible protein sequences that could exist is very large, occupying a very large potential sequence space, but the number of proteins that do exist is much smaller, and they are widely scattered across sequence space (perhaps — in fact, that is one of the things being debated). The potential space is so large that a purely random search for rare functional proteins would spectacularly fail. So unless functional sequences are easy to find (very common), and/or are clustered together (easily reachable from one functional island to another), explaining current protein diversity without design is impossible.

Some origin-of-life researchers have attempted to argue that although the probability of finding a functional protein sequence by chance is very low, it is not astronomically low, and that there is sufficient time during the Earth’s history for such a sequence to have arisen naturally, without the need for any intelligent guidance. From an actual library of 6×1012 proteins each containing 80 contiguous random amino acids, Keefe and Szostak managed to isolate four ATP binding proteins and concluded that the proportion of all possible protein sequences that are actually functional might be as high as 1 in 1011, or 1 in 100,000,000,000. They concluded that functional proteins could therefore have arisen by an unguided, stochastic (i.e. random) process:

In conclusion, we suggest that functional proteins are sufficiently common in protein sequence space (roughly 1 in 1011) that they may be discovered by entirely stochastic means, such as presumably operated when proteins were first used by living organisms.
(Keefe AD, Szostak JW (2001). “Functional proteins from a random-sequence library.” Nature 410:715-718.)

Another team of scientists estimated that a random protein library of about 1024 members would be sufficient for finding one chorismate mutase molecule, making the problem of unguided natural processes hitting upon a functional sequence difficult but by no means impossible (Taylor SV, Walter KU, Kast P, Hilvert D (2001). “Searching sequence space for protein
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.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA 98:10596-10601. doi:10.1073/pnas.191159298.)

In a recent personal communication, Dr. Cornelius Hunter explained why these estimates of the probability of finding a functional protein sequence by chance are wildly over-optimistic, and pointed out that a more realistic estimate would be 1 in 1060, or 1 in 1 million million million million million million million million million million:

“First, Keefe and Szostak is not relevant as they were not seeking functional proteins, but merely mild ATP binding. Second, Taylor, et. al. deals with a simple, helix only, protein (homodimeric AroQ), biased the sequence toward helix forming amino acids and sequence patterns, did not fully randomize the sequence but only randomized regions, and is vague about how they arrive at their 10^24 tries required. Even if their calculation of 10^24 is reasonable, you’re dealing with a pretty simple protein… AroQ is toward the simple end of the spectrum… And finally there are several studies on slightly more complex, challenging proteins, all of which come in at around 10^60 – 10^80 attempts required.

And as Dr. Hunter has pointed out (see fallacy #10 above), there are no good scientific grounds for thinking that life-forms based on shorter, simpler proteins could have existed in the beginning, giving rise to more advanced life-forms requiring larger, more complex ones later on. As he puts it: “The larger ones appear to be needed, and there are not obvious gradual pathways to forming them.”

If the more realistic, experimentally based estimate quoted by Dr. Hunter, that only 1 in 1060 to 1 in 1080 possible protein sequences are functional, is correct, then this would render the possibility of Nature hitting upon a functional protein via an unguided process astronomically unlikely – a point recognized by Taylor et al. in their paper:

Even a library with the mass of the Earth itself — 5.98 × 1027 g — would comprise at most 3.3 × 1047 different sequences, or a miniscule fraction of such diversity.

12. The fallacy of arguing from unproven conjectures.

Proteins before and after folding. Image courtesy of Wikipedia.

The twelfth fallacy is the fallacy of arguing from unproven conjectures, and in so doing, imagining that one is making what scientists refer to as a bold prediction.

In their paper titled, How much of protein sequence space has been explored by life on Earth?, authors David Dryden, Andrew Thomson and John White (of Edinburgh University) defend the claim that “a reduced alphabet of amino acids is quite capable of producing all protein folds (approx. a few thousand discrete folds; Denton 2008) and providing a scaffold capable of supporting all protein functions… Therefore it is entirely feasible that for all practical (i.e. functional and structural) purposes, protein sequence space has been fully explored during the course of evolution of life on Earth.”

However, Dr. Cornelius Hunter has rebutted the arguments in Dryden, Thomson and White’s paper, in two posts over at his blog, Darwin’s God: Response to Comments: Natural Selection Doesn’t Help, Gradualism is Out, and so is Evolution (July 2, 2011) and The Amyloid Threat, Big Numbers Game and Quote Mining: Protein Evolution and How Evolutionists Respond to the Empirical Evidence (September 15, 2011). The key points from Dr. Hunter’s response are as follows:

The paper [by Dryden, Thomson and White] attempts to make two general points. First that evolution can succeed with a much smaller protein sequence space and second, that evolution can easily search the entire protein sequence space. Both conclusions are scientifically ridiculous and are inconsistent with what we do understand about proteins…

For the first claim, the evolutionists argue for a smaller protein sequence space because:

A. “the actual identity of most of the amino acids in a protein is irrelevant” and so we can assume there were only a few amino acids in the evolution of proteins, rather than today’s 20.

B. Only the surface residues of a protein are important.

C. Proteins need not be very long. Instead of hundreds of residues, evolution could have used about 50 for most proteins.

For Point A, the evolutionists use as support a series of simplistic studies that replaced the actual protein three-dimensional structure and amino acid chemistries with cartoon, two-dimensional lattice versions.

Likewise Point B is at odds with science, and again is an unwarranted extrapolation on a simplistic lattice study.

For Point C, the evolutionists note that many proteins are modular and consist of self-contained domains “of as few as approximately 50 amino acids.” But the vast majority of protein domains are far longer than 50 residues. Single domain proteins, and domains in multiple-domain proteins are typically in the hundreds of residues…

At the present time, it is simply an unproven conjecture to suppose that life that was based on only a few amino acids could have originated on Earth, four billion years ago. All living things that we know of require 20 amino acids in order to function. Likewise, it is an unproven conjecture that life-forms requiring only short proteins (less than 50 amino acids long) could ever have existed on Earth. The correct way to justify these conjectures would be to synthesize a life-form that satisfied these conditions. As they say in the state of Missouri, “Show me.” So far, we have seen nothing.

The African hawk-moth Xanthopan morgani. Natural History Museum of London. Image courtesy of Esculapio and Wikipedia.

Why, one might ask, do origin-of-life researchers continue to resort to such arbitrary conjectures? I would suggest that the scientific inspiration for such conjectures comes from an example set by Charles Darwin himself, in 1862, when after viewing an orchid flower with a very long spur to hold its nectar from the island of Madagascar, he made a bold prediction, which was vindicated five years later, that a moth with a proboscis one foot long would be found on that island. Wikipedia takes up the story:

From his observations and experiments with pushing a probe into the spur of the flower, Darwin surmised in his 1862 book Fertilisation of Orchids that there must be a pollinator moth with a proboscis long enough to reach the nectar at the end of the spur. In its attempt to get the nectar at the end of the spur the moth would get pollen rubbed off on its head. The next orchid it visited would then be pollinated in the same manner.

A few years later in 1867 Alfred Russel Wallace published an article in which he supported Darwin’s hypothesis, remarking that the African hawkmoth Xanthopan morganii (then known as Macrosila morganii) had a proboscis almost long enough to reach the bottom of the spur. In a footnote to this article Wallace wrote “That such a moth exists in Madagascar may be safely predicted; and naturalists who visit that island should search for it with as much confidence as astronomers searched for the planet Neptune,–and they will be equally successful!”

It was only in 1903 that a population of Xanthopan morganii (commonly called Morgan’s sphinx moth) with an especially long proboscis was discovered in Madagascar, and it was named subspecies praedicta by Rothschild & Jordan in honor of Wallace’s (not Darwin’s) prediction (Darwin’s prediction was not even mentioned in their paper: Rothschild, L. W. & Jordan, K. 1903. A revision of the Lepidopterous family Sphingidae. Novitates Zoologicae Supplement 9: 1-972). Since Wallace predicted that the mystery pollinator would turn out to be a hawkmoth, rather than simply a large moth as Darwin had suggested in 1903, such a moth was discovered in Madagascar.

It should be noted, however, that Darwin’s and Wallace’s prediction was based entirely on “observations and experiments.” Darwin had every right to predict that a moth with a foot-long proboscis would be found on the island: he had the evidence of a flower with a long spur to back up his prediction.

By contrast, today’s origin-of-life researchers pile supposition upon supposition, without any experimental evidence to back it up. Bold conjectures based on observational evidence are examples of legitimate science, whereas conjectures lacking such evidence are nothing more than castles in the air. Origin-of-life researchers claiming to take their cue from Darwin are therefore making a serious mistake.

A thirteenth fallacy?

Now that I have completed my list of the “dirty dozen,” it occurs to me that there is a thirteenth fallacy: the fallacy of appealing to the progress of science, as grounds for optimism that we’ll eventually solve the problem of how life has originated. Science, we are told, has made great strides in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. An essay titled, Studying the origin of life at the Berkeley University Website Evolution 101 illustrates this kind of thinking:

All the evidence gathered thus far has revealed a great deal about the origin of life, but there is still much to learn. Because of the enormous length of time and the tremendous change that has occurred since then, much of the evidence relevant to origins has been lost and we may never know certain details. Nevertheless, many of the gaps in our knowledge (gaps that seemed unbridgeable just 20 years ago) have been filled in recent years, and continuing research and new technologies hold the promise of more insights. As Ellington puts it, “Origins is a huge knotty problem — but that doesn’t mean it’s an insoluble one.”

The fallacies contained in this argument should by now be readily apparent. First, the argument makes an unwarranted extrapolation: it assumes that scientific progress will continue indefinitely, at the same pace that it has in recent years. Second, the argument makes no attempt to quantify the magnitude of the problem of life’s origin: it may prove to be too large for any conceivable future computer simulation to resolve. Third, the argument naively assumes that the progress of science will serve to diminish the problem, whereas in fact, scientific discoveries of recent years (e.g. the rarity of functional proteins in the space of all possible proteins) have actually served to exacerbate the problem. Thus the problem of life’s origin is far more of a headache for scientists today than it was in Darwin’s day, when the structure of the cell and its chemical constituents remained largely unknown.

To sum up: all the evidence we have to date regarding the origin of life points to its having been intelligently designed. The evidence from proteins is particularly telling in this regard. Only intellectual pigheadedness can account for the reluctance of origin-of-life researchers to discuss the hypothesis that life had an Intelligent Designer, in scientific journals.

Comments
Another common fallacy promulgated by evolutionists is that their making a strong statement of disagreement with you constitutes evidence, perhaps even proof that you're wrong. For example, "No, that's completely false. The evidence has never challenged the theory of evolution, and there's tons of fossil evidence that demonstrates your statements to be false." Apparently, the above statement is completely sufficient in itself to win any argument. Anyone who questions the lack of substantive information or cogent argument richly deserves the ad hominem attacks that usually follow. Which reminds me of another one: the Refutation Ad Hominem. This argument simply denigrates a quoted authority. For example, "Sure Dr.nnnnnn calls herself a biogeneticist, but she's a kook, and probably got her doctorate by mailorder." There. Done sauce. -QQuerius
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#25 The only reliable evidence likely requires the real time observation of the process in action, outside the laboratory and in the wild. That probably means that origins 'science' won't be very trustworthy until some time in the distant future (need to get to new worlds and need millions of years of observation time). On the surface, the endeavor, although admirable, looks futile- as Dr. Margulis alluded, most of the 'evolution' appears to occur between dead matter and the arrival of a simple cell.littlejohn
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Acartia, An experiment (or even a computer simulation) designed to mimic actual conditions and interactions we find or would expect to find in nature would be a good place to start.William J Murray
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@Barb: "There is simply no experimental evidence that non-living chemicals can somehow come together and through mutations and natural selection become a form of life." I believe that you have just made my point. Any experiment intended to demonstrate that life arose naturally from non-life would be perceived by creationist that a designer was involved because an experiment, by definition, is designed. So, what evidence would you accept to be proof of a natural origin?Acartia_bogart
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Acartia: please read my posts and tell me where the allusion to abiogenesis not being solved proves a designer? That is your inference entirely. In fact I say, "a level playing field". This is exactly my point. The evolutionists however do not provide this concession. It's fine that they do not and may never have a workable theory of abiogenesis that is quite plausible, but it's not fine for someone to theorise a designer started life as it strongly appears designed, because there is no mechanism. like I said, it's not a level playing field you offer.Dr JDD
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That quantum entanglement, which conclusively demonstrates ‘information’ in its pure ‘quantum form’ is completely transcendent of any time and space constraints (Bell Aspect, Leggett, Zeilinger), should be found in molecular biology on such a massive scale is a direct empirical falsification of Darwinian claims, for how can the quantum entanglement ‘effect’ in biology possibly be explained by a material (matter/energy) ’cause’ when the quantum entanglement ‘effect’ falsified material particles as its own causation in the first place? Appealing to the probability of various configurations of material particles, as Darwinism does, simply will not help since a timeless/spaceless cause must be supplied which is beyond the capacity of the material particles themselves to supply!
Looking beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory – 29 October 2012 Excerpt: “Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them,” http://www.quantumlah.org/highlight/121029_hidden_influences.php Closing the last Bell-test loophole for photons - Jun 11, 2013 Excerpt:– requiring no assumptions or correction of count rates – that confirmed quantum entanglement to nearly 70 standard deviations.,,, http://phys.org/news/2013-06-bell-test-loophole-photons.html
In other words, to give a coherent explanation for an effect that is shown to be completely independent of any time and space constraints one is forced to appeal to a cause that is itself not limited to time and space! i.e. Put more simply, you cannot explain a effect by a cause that has been falsified by the very same effect you are seeking to explain! Improbability arguments of various ‘special’ configurations of material particles, which have been a staple of the arguments against neo-Darwinism, simply do not apply since the cause is not within the material particles in the first place! Or related note, encoded ‘classical’ digital information, such as what William Dembski and Robert Marks demonstrated the conservation of,
Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II http://www.evoinfo.org/index/
,,i.e. classical 'digital' information, such as what we find encoded in computer programs, and yes, as we find encoded in DNA,
Every Bit Digital: DNA’s Programming Really Bugs Some ID Critics - Casey Luskin Excerpt: "There’s a very recognizable digital code of the kind that electrical engineers rediscovered in the 1950s that maps the codes for sequences of DNA onto expressions of proteins." http://www.salvomag.com/new/articles/salvo12/12luskin2.php
,,classical 'digital' information is found to be a subset of ‘non-local' (i.e. beyond space and time) quantum entanglement/information by the following method:
Quantum knowledge cools computers: New understanding of entropy – June 2011 Excerpt: No heat, even a cooling effect; In the case of perfect classical knowledge of a computer memory (zero entropy), deletion of the data requires in theory no energy at all. The researchers prove that “more than complete knowledge” from quantum entanglement with the memory (negative entropy) leads to deletion of the data being accompanied by removal of heat from the computer and its release as usable energy. This is the physical meaning of negative entropy. Renner emphasizes, however, “This doesn’t mean that we can develop a perpetual motion machine.” The data can only be deleted once, so there is no possibility to continue to generate energy. The process also destroys the entanglement, and it would take an input of energy to reset the system to its starting state. The equations are consistent with what’s known as the second law of thermodynamics: the idea that the entropy of the universe can never decrease. Vedral says “We’re working on the edge of the second law. If you go any further, you will break it.” http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110601134300.htm
,,,And here is evidence that quantum information is in fact ‘conserved’;,,,
Quantum no-hiding theorem experimentally confirmed for first time Excerpt: In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed. This concept stems from two fundamental theorems of quantum mechanics: the no-cloning theorem and the no-deleting theorem. A third and related theorem, called the no-hiding theorem, addresses information loss in the quantum world. According to the no-hiding theorem, if information is missing from one system (which may happen when the system interacts with the environment), then the information is simply residing somewhere else in the Universe; in other words, the missing information cannot be hidden in the correlations between a system and its environment. http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html Quantum no-deleting theorem Excerpt: A stronger version of the no-cloning theorem and the no-deleting theorem provide permanence to quantum information. To create a copy one must import the information from some part of the universe and to delete a state one needs to export it to another part of the universe where it will continue to exist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_no-deleting_theorem#Consequence
Besides providing direct empirical falsification of neo-Darwinian claims as to the generation of information by purely material processes, the implication of finding 'non-local', beyond space and time, and ‘conserved’ quantum information in molecular biology on a massive scale is fairly, and pleasantly, obvious:
Does Quantum Biology Support A Quantum Soul? – Stuart Hameroff - video (notes in description) http://vimeo.com/29895068
Verse and Music:
John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. Redeemed – Big Daddy Weave http://myktis.com/songs/redeemed/
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And information goes deeper into the root of biological function than even the 'classical' digital information that is encoded in DNA, which is the primary type of information that Dr. Meyer focused on in his book: First, in explaining the empirical falsification of Darwinism, it is important to learn that ‘non-local’, beyond space and time, quantum entanglement (A. Aspect, A. Zeilinger) can be used as a ‘quantum information channel’,,,
Quantum Entanglement and Information Quantum entanglement is a physical resource, like energy, associated with the peculiar nonclassical correlations that are possible between separated quantum systems. Entanglement can be measured, transformed, and purified. A pair of quantum systems in an entangled state can be used as a quantum information channel to perform computational and cryptographic tasks that are impossible for classical systems. The general study of the information-processing capabilities of quantum systems is the subject of quantum information theory. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-entangle/
Moreover, this ‘spooky’ (as Einstein termed entanglement) non-local quantum information, though at first thought to be impossible to maintain in ‘hot and noisy’ cells, is now found in molecular biology on a massive scale, in every DNA and protein molecule:
Quantum entanglement in hot systems – 2011 Excerpt: The authors remark that this reverses the previous orthodoxy, which held that quantum effects could not exist in biological systems because of the amount of noise in these systems.,,, Environmental noise here drives a persistent and cyclic generation of new entanglement.,,, In summary, the authors say that they have demonstrated that entanglement can recur even in a hot noisy environment. In biological systems this can be related to changes in the conformation of macromolecules. http://quantum-mind.co.uk/quantum-entanglement-hot-systems/ Quantum entanglement holds together life’s blueprint – 2010 Excerpt: When the researchers analysed the DNA without its helical structure, they found that the electron clouds were not entangled. But when they incorporated DNA’s helical structure into the model, they saw that the electron clouds of each base pair became entangled with those of its neighbours. “If you didn’t have entanglement, then DNA would have a simple flat structure, and you would never get the twist that seems to be important to the functioning of DNA,” says team member Vlatko Vedral of the University of Oxford. http://neshealthblog.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/quantum-entanglement-holds-together-lifes-blueprint/ Does DNA Have Telepathic Properties?-A Galaxy Insight – 2009 Excerpt: DNA has been found to have a bizarre ability to put itself together, even at a distance, when according to known science it shouldn’t be able to.,,, The recognition of similar sequences in DNA’s chemical subunits, occurs in a way unrecognized by science. There is no known reason why the DNA is able to combine the way it does, and from a current theoretical standpoint this feat should be chemically impossible. per daily galaxy DNA Can Discern Between Two Quantum States, Research Shows – June 2011 Excerpt: — DNA — can discern between quantum states known as spin. – The researchers fabricated self-assembling, single layers of DNA attached to a gold substrate. They then exposed the DNA to mixed groups of electrons with both directions of spin. Indeed, the team’s results surpassed expectations: The biological molecules reacted strongly with the electrons carrying one of those spins, and hardly at all with the others. The longer the molecule, the more efficient it was at choosing electrons with the desired spin, while single strands and damaged bits of DNA did not exhibit this property. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110331104014.htm Quantum Information/Entanglement In DNA - video https://vimeo.com/92405752 Coherent Intrachain energy migration at room temperature – Elisabetta Collini and Gregory Scholes – University of Toronto – Science, 323, (2009), pp. 369-73 Excerpt: The authors conducted an experiment to observe quantum coherence dynamics in relation to energy transfer. The experiment, conducted at room temperature, examined chain conformations, such as those found in the proteins of living cells. Neighbouring molecules along the backbone of a protein chain were seen to have coherent energy transfer. Where this happens quantum decoherence (the underlying tendency to loss of coherence due to interaction with the environment) is able to be resisted, and the evolution of the system remains entangled as a single quantum state. http://www.scimednet.org/quantum-coherence-living-cells-and-protein/ Physicists Discover Quantum Law of Protein Folding – February 22, 2011 Quantum mechanics finally explains why protein folding depends on temperature in such a strange way. Excerpt: First, a little background on protein folding. Proteins are long chains of amino acids that become biologically active only when they fold into specific, highly complex shapes. The puzzle is how proteins do this so quickly when they have so many possible configurations to choose from. To put this in perspective, a relatively small protein of only 100 amino acids can take some 10^100 different configurations. If it tried these shapes at the rate of 100 billion a second, it would take longer than the age of the universe to find the correct one. Just how these molecules do the job in nanoseconds, nobody knows.,,, Their astonishing result is that this quantum transition model fits the folding curves of 15 different proteins and even explains the difference in folding and unfolding rates of the same proteins. That's a significant breakthrough. Luo and Lo's equations amount to the first universal laws of protein folding. That’s the equivalent in biology to something like the thermodynamic laws in physics. http://www.technologyreview.com/view/423087/physicists-discover-quantum-law-of-protein/
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There was a little known book that Dr. Meyer wrote before his NY Times bestseller, 'Darwin's Doubt', which was focused on the 'Origin Of Life' problem, which was called 'Signature In The Cell'
Journey Inside The Cell - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fiJupfbSpg
As Dr. Meyer made clear in 'Signature In The Cell', the primary question that needs to addressed in 'Origin Of Life' research is "Where Does The Information Come From?". This is not a trivial question in the least for material processes have NEVER been observed to generate information. i.e. Only 'mind' has ever been observed to generate information:
The Capabilities of Chaos and Complexity: David L. Abel - Null Hypothesis For Information Generation - 2009 Excerpt of conclusion pg. 42: "To focus the scientific community’s attention on its own tendencies toward overzealous metaphysical imagination bordering on “wish-fulfillment,” we propose the following readily falsifiable null hypothesis, and invite rigorous experimental attempts to falsify it: “Physicodynamics cannot spontaneously traverse The Cybernetic Cut: physicodynamics alone cannot organize itself into formally functional systems requiring algorithmic optimization, computational halting, and circuit integration.” A single exception of non trivial, unaided spontaneous optimization of formal function by truly natural process would falsify this null hypothesis." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662469/ Can We Falsify Any Of The Following Null Hypothesis (For Information Generation) 1) Mathematical Logic 2) Algorithmic Optimization 3) Cybernetic Programming 4) Computational Halting 5) Integrated Circuits 6) Organization (e.g. homeostatic optimization far from equilibrium) 7) Material Symbol Systems (e.g. genetics) 8) Any Goal Oriented bona fide system 9) Language 10) Formal function of any kind 11) Utilitarian work http://mdpi.com/1422-0067/10/1/247/ag
Dr. Meyer comments here on this fundamental mystery:
“One of the things I do in my classes, to get this idea across to students, is I hold up two computer disks. One is loaded with software, and the other one is blank. And I ask them, ‘what is the difference in mass between these two computer disks, as a result of the difference in the information content that they posses’? And of course the answer is, ‘Zero! None! There is no difference as a result of the information. And that’s because information is a mass-less quantity. Now, if information is not a material entity, then how can any materialistic explanation account for its origin? How can any material cause explain it’s origin? And this is the real and fundamental problem that the presence of information in biology has posed. It creates a fundamental challenge to the materialistic, evolutionary scenarios because information is a different kind of entity that matter and energy cannot produce. In the nineteenth century we thought that there were two fundamental entities in science; matter, and energy. At the beginning of the twenty first century, we now recognize that there’s a third fundamental entity; and its ‘information’. It’s not reducible to matter. It’s not reducible to energy. But it’s still a very important thing that is real; we buy it, we sell it, we send it down wires. Now, what do we make of the fact, that information is present at the very root of all biological function? In biology, we have matter, we have energy, but we also have this third, very important entity; information. I think the biology of the information age, poses a fundamental challenge to any materialistic approach to the origin of life.” -Dr. Stephen C. Meyer earned his Ph.D. in the History and Philosophy of science from Cambridge University for a dissertation on the history of origin-of-life biology and the methodology of the historical sciences. - Intelligent design: Why can't biological information originate through a materialistic process? - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqiXNxyoof8
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Acartia,
I agree with Evolve. This essay talks about fallacies but the argument that the are fallacies lies largely in the fact that you state that they are fallacies.
No. Begging the question is a true logical fallacy. Google it sometime.
But you creationists (I refuse to call it ID) state on one hand that life must be designed because we haven’t been able to create it, and then argue that the experiments made to try to repeat the chemical conditions of the early earth is proof that there must be a designer because these experiments are designed.
We also know that life never comes from non-life. Experiments like the infamous Miller-Urey one done in the 1950s only proved that intelligence was required for anything resembling life to come into being. There is simply no experimental evidence that non-living chemicals can somehow come together and through mutations and natural selection become a form of life.Barb
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I agree with Evolve. This essay talks about fallacies but the argument that the are fallacies lies largely in the fact that you state that they are fallacies. But you creationists (I refuse to call it ID) state on one hand that life must be designed because we haven't been able to create it, and then argue that the experiments made to try to repeat the chemical conditions of the early earth is proof that there must be a designer because these experiments are designed.Acartia_bogart
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Wow, that's more philosophy that I can digest. The most common argument that I hear from evolutionists is, "abiogenesis isn't evolution -- that's the other guy's science, not mine." Please help me. Which of the twelve fallacies is this one? Or is there a 13th.Moose Dr
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Hi REC, Thank you for your comments. You quote Dr. Cornelius Hunter's remark:
For Point C, the evolutionists note that many proteins are modular and consist of self-contained domains "of as few as approximately 50 amino acids." But the vast majority of protein domains are far longer than 50 residues. Single domain proteins, and domains in multiple-domain proteins are typically in the hundreds of residues...
You then comment:
Vast majority are far longer than 50 residues? A single domain protein is ~4X more likely to be 50 amino acids long than 200 amino acids. The distribution of domain length peaks at ~100 amino acids and falls off pretty rapidly. Sorry, the data (in public databases) just doesn't support you. See figure 2: http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/7/613.full.pdf
I'm sorry, REC, but I've had a look at the graph in Figure 2, and you're wrong. In that graph, about 90% of all proteins are more than 50 amino acids long. You write that "a single domain protein is ~4X more likely to be 50 amino acids long than 200 amino acids." That may be so, but the tail on the right hand side is very long. Hence your statement that "The distribution of domain length peaks at ~100 amino acids and falls off pretty rapidly" is mistaken. It does indeed peak at ~100 amino acids, but then it falls off very slowly. You might like to have a look at this paper: http://www.weizmann.ac.il/plants/Milo/images/proteinSize120116Clean.pdf ("How big is the average protein?" from the Department of Plant Sciences, Weizmann Institute of Science, Israel.) I've reproduced the table on the final page. The numbers in brackets refer to entries in the database Bionumbers, at http://bionumbers.hms.harvard.edu/ :
Table 1: Median length of proteins in different species. The entries in this table are based upon a bioinformatic analysis of sequenced genomes. (Brocchieri and Karlin 2005, [106444]) Organism Median protein length (amino acids) Homo sapiens 375 [106445] Drosophila melanogaster 373 [106446] Caenorhabditis elegans 344 [106447] Saccharomyces cerevisiae 379 [106448] Arabidopsis thaliana 356 [106449] 5 Eukaryotes (above) 361 [106450] 67 bacteria 267 [106452] 15 archaea 247 [106451]
It looks like Dr. Hunter was entirely correct in stating that "the vast majority of protein domains are far longer than 50 residues." You quote another comment by Dr. Hunter:
For Point A, the evolutionists use as support a series of simplistic studies that replaced the actual protein three-dimensional structure and amino acid chemistries with cartoon, two-dimensional lattice versions...
You then ask:
What does this phrase “two dimensional lattice” even mean?
I think Dr. Hunter might be loosely referring to a beta-sheet, but don't quote me on that; that's just speculation on my part. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_sheet The paper by Dryden, Thomson and White also contains the following sentence:
The thousands of known TRD sequences show negligible amino acid sequence conservation despite the rather limited number of nucleotide sequences they are required to recognize (e.g. Sturrock & Dryden 1997; O'Neill et al. 1998; Bujnicki 2001; Roberts et al. 2007).
Unfortunately I can't access most of these papers online, but the one by Bujnicki might shed light on what Dr. Hunter was getting at. By the way, I've invited Dr. Hunter to respond to your comment, so I'm hoping to hear back from him. Finally, I mentioned Dr. Hunter's remark on 2-D lattices only in passing, in my essay. Unlike Dr. Hunter point about the length of a typical protein, his remark on 2-D lattices plays no significant role in my argument for life having been intelligently designed.vjtorley
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Evolve, the argument you and other atheists criticise ID for goes like this: You don’t know how it happened (“God just did it!”) You cannot know how it happened as you cannot “test” God (“God just did it!”) You just say God must have done it You then tell us this scenario about abiogenesis: We don’t know how this happened (but it must have) We may never know how it happened as we cannot know the exact early conditions (but it must have happened) It must have happened Therefore, what I am alluding to in my criticism of that is your lack of a level playing field. There is no difference between the above two scenarios, you can swap out God at any of those points for “it must have happened.” So you demand more from the IDist than you expect from your own theories then claim that yours are pure science and IDist theories are in opposition to “hard working scientists” which again implies that anyone who is ID is anti-science which is complete and utterly false. Many hard-working scientists worked towards the wrong theories for years and there are abundant examples of that. Often the majority of this is due to the false dogma established prior to their work in the field. Let’s be honest here, it is mere shrouding in words and technicalities when you say that ID is not valid as a scientific argument because it cannot be “tested” yet the same is admitted about abiogenesis, among other theories widely accepted as “science.” Please tell us if we could one day detect a multiverse how you can be so certain one day equally one could not detect an Intelligent Designer outside of the universe? If one were to exist, how would you expect the evidence for such an existence to look like within the universe (rationally, not emotionally)?Dr JDD
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Evolve is full of sh,,,, UHHH MMM, 'unsubstantiated claims' today We don’t see life in the oldest rocks, we do see life from one point in time onwards. yet,,, we now have evidence for photosynthetic life suddenly appearing on earth, as soon as water appeared on the earth, in the oldest sedimentary rocks ever found on earth. The Sudden Appearance Of Life On Earth – video https://vimeo.com/92413648 When Did Life on Earth Begin? Ask a Rock (3.85 bya) http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/293/ When did oxygenic photosynthesis evolve? - Roger Buick - 2008 Excerpt:,, U–Pb data from ca 3.8?Ga metasediments suggest that this metabolism could have arisen by the start of the geological record. Hence, the hypothesis that oxygenic photosynthesis evolved well before the atmosphere became permanently oxygenated seems well supported. http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/363/1504/2731.long Isotopic Evidence For Life Immediately Following Late Bombardment - Graph http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/hires/2014/oldestbitofc.jpg Dr. Hugh Ross - Origin Of Life Paradox (No prebiotic chemical signatures)- video (40:10 minute mark) https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UPvO2EkiLls#t=2410 "We get that evidence from looking at carbon 12 to carbon 13 analysis. And it tells us that in Earth's oldest (sedimentary) rock, which dates at 3.80 billion years ago, we find an abundance for the carbon signature of living systems. Namely, that life prefers carbon 12. And so if you see a higher ratio of carbon 12 to carbon 13 that means that carbon has been processed by life. And it is that kind of evidence that tells us that life has been abundant on earth as far back as 3.80 billion years ago (when water was first present on earth).,,, And that same carbon 12 to carbon 13 analysis tells us that planet earth, over it entire 4.5662 billion year history has never had prebiotics. Prebiotics would have a higher ratio of carbon 13 to carbon 12. All the carbonaceous material, we see in the entire geological record of the earth, has the signature of being post-biotic not pre-biotic. Which means planet earth never had a primordial soup. And the origin of life on earth took place in a geological instant" (as soon as it was possible for life to exist on earth). - Hugh Ross - quote as stated in preceding video U-rich Archaean sea-floor sediments from Greenland - indications of +3700 Ma oxygenic photosynthesis (2003) http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004E&PSL.217..237R Moreover, evidence for 'sulfate reducing' bacteria has been discovered alongside the evidence for photosynthetic bacteria: When Did Life First Appear on Earth? - Fazale Rana - December 2010 Excerpt: The primary evidence for 3.8 billion-year-old life consists of carbonaceous deposits, such as graphite, found in rock formations in western Greenland. These deposits display an enrichment of the carbon-12 isotope. Other chemical signatures from these formations that have been interpreted as biological remnants include uranium/thorium fractionation and banded iron formations. Recently, a team from Australia argued that the dolomite in these formations also reflects biological activity, specifically that of sulfate-reducing bacteria. http://www.reasons.org/when-did-life-first-appear-earth Life - Its Sudden Origin and Extreme Complexity - Dr. Fazale Rana - video https://vimeo.com/92492805bornagain77
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Hi Evolve, Thank you for your comments. I could tell at once that you've never studied philosophy. If you had, you would never make the assertion that the statement, "The universe is a causally closed system," is an observation. You can't observe causal closure. You may of course fail to observe any evidence of causal openness, but as the old saying goes, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." You write:
We’ve looked and found no evidence of anybody or anything controlling our universe from “outside”. Now you want us to override that observation and assume, with no supporting evidence, that there’s an external controller working from outside!
No, I don't want that at all. I simply want scientists to keep an open mind regarding the possibility that life may have been designed, and examine the evidence. And if you'd read the rest of my essay, you would have seen some of that evidence. Unfortunately, you stopped reading after perusing the first 8% of my essay (fallacy 1 out of 12). You write:
Again, there's absolutely no evidence for any intelligent being setting the conditions of the universe.
Au contraire. Please see here: http://www.commonsenseatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Collins-The-Teleological-Argument.pdf Finally, you write:
Go produce some direct evidence for your designer first before sitting down and writing lengthy posts on why scientists are not considering him in their assumptions.
Try this: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-big-picture-56-minutes-that-may-change-your-life/ Bye.vjtorley
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Evolve boldly proclaims:
3) We’ve looked and found no evidence of anybody or anything controlling our universe from “outside”. Now you want us to override that observation and assume, with no supporting evidence, that there’s an external controller working from outside!
Well since I consider myself, as well as many others more qualified than I, as a part of the 'we've looked' in Evolve's statement, I can say that that statement is false. First off, Breakthroughs in quantum mechanics reveal that this universe is dependent on a ‘non-local’, beyond space and time, cause for its continued existence.
Looking Beyond Space and Time to Cope With Quantum Theory – (Oct. 28, 2012) Excerpt: The remaining option is to accept that (quantum) influences must be infinitely fast,,, “Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them,” says Nicolas Gisin, Professor at the University of Geneva, Switzerland,,, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121028142217.htm
Moreover, Quantum Mechanics has now been extended to falsify local realism without even using quantum entanglement to do it:
‘Quantum Magic’ Without Any ‘Spooky Action at a Distance’ – June 2011 Excerpt: A team of researchers led by Anton Zeilinger at the University of Vienna and the Institute for Quantum Optics and Quantum Information of the Austrian Academy of Sciences used a system which does not allow for entanglement, and still found results which cannot be interpreted classically. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110624111942.htm
In fact, 'locality and unitarity', two founding principles of materialism, were both recently dealt a severe blow with the discovery of the 'amplituhedron':
Bohemian Gravity - Rob Sheldon - September 19, 2013 Excerpt: Quanta magazine carried an article about a hypergeometric object that is as much better than Feynman diagrams as Feynman was better than Heisenberg's S-matrices. But the discoverers are candid about it, "The amplituhedron, or a similar geometric object, could help by removing two deeply rooted principles of physics: locality and unitarity. “Both are hard-wired in the usual way we think about things,” said Nima Arkani-Hamed, a professor of physics at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, N.J., and the lead author of the new work, which he is presenting in talks and in a forthcoming paper. “Both are suspect.”" What are these suspect principles? None other than two of the founding principles of materialism--that there do not exist "spooky-action-at-a-distance" forces, and that material causes are the only ones in the universe.,,, http://rbsp.info/PROCRUSTES/bohemian-gravity/
As well, there is ample evidence that the non-local cause that this universe is dependent on a 'Who' and is not an 'It'
Digital Physics Argument for God's Existence - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Xsp4FRgas Digital Physics Argument Premise 1: Simulations can only exist is a computer or a mind. Premise 2: The universe is a simulation. Premise 3: A simulation on a computer still must be simulated in a mind. Premise 4: Therefore, the universe is a simulation in a mind (2,3). Premise 5: This mind is what we call God. Conclusion: Therefore, God exists.
Moreover, due to advances in quantum mechanics, the argument for God from consciousness can now be framed like this:
1. Consciousness either preceded all of material reality or is a 'epi-phenomena' of material reality. 2. If consciousness is a 'epi-phenomena' of material reality then consciousness will be found to have no special position within material reality. Whereas conversely, if consciousness precedes material reality then consciousness will be found to have a special position within material reality. 3. Consciousness is found to have a special, even central, position within material reality. 4. Therefore, consciousness is found to precede material reality. Four intersecting lines of experimental evidence from quantum mechanics that shows that consciousness precedes material reality (Wigner’s Quantum Symmetries, Wheeler’s Delayed Choice, Leggett’s Inequalities, Quantum Zeno effect): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G_Fi50ljF5w_XyJHfmSIZsOcPFhgoAZ3PRc_ktY8cFo/edit
Verses and Music:
Hebrews 1:3 ,,,he upholds the universe by the word of his power.,,, Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Dive - Steven Curtis Chapman http://myktis.com/songs/dive/
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///The first premise can of course be ascertained scientifically/// I read that. It has already been ascertained. We don't see life in the oldest rocks, we do see life from one point in time onwards. Then why make such a point at all? ///Go provide evidence for a multiverse (real evidence). Then provide evidence for how a universe can even be generated without another cause (real evidence). Then provide just one mechanism that is plausible, can be tested and show that abiogenesis can occur and life can come about through naturalistic means (not intelligently guided)./// Until we solve all these, we should assume that a fictitious intelligent being was behind it all, that too with no evidence for such a thing. Way to go, indeed!Evolve
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VJT: That is a fantastic compilation of evolutionist fallacies, very informative, useful and spot-on. Kudos! :)Chalciss
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Given Evolve cannot even read to the next sentence that VJTorley writes (by criticising him on making a point without allowing him to explain and expand):  
The first premise can of course be ascertained scientifically
Thus VJTorley certainly is NOT saying that point 1) here is not scientifically valid and is just an assumption, contrary to what Evolve may claim. So given that, it is only fair in a like-for-like manner that we do not even bother reading the rest of Evolve’s response. You want to do something. Go provide evidence for a multiverse (real evidence). Then provide evidence for how a universe can even be generated without another cause (real evidence). Then provide just one mechanism that is plausible, can be tested and show that abiogenesis can occur and life can come about through naturalistic means (not intelligently guided). Like-for-like.Dr JDD
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@serious123 #5, Then why don't you define God? Why don't you do your "ID research" and lay down the parameters or constraints within which Mr. God operates? What are his/its properties? What did he design and not design? How can we find that out? You won't bother pinning God to a set of principles. He is omnipresent and omniscient. He's capable of anything and everything. So whatever evidence the hard-working scientists discover, you people can spin that to fit your God hypothesis. There's nothing beyond him! This is precisely why your God hypothesis fails to explain anything at all.Evolve
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Since VJTorley's argument is so poor right from the beginning, as discussed below, I will assume that the rest of this huge essay is equally bad and, therefore, can be dismissed. ///Of course, that conclusion doesn’t follow unless one assumes all of the following premises: (1) Life began at some point in time during the history of the universe; (2) The complexity which characterizes life must have had some cause; and (3) The universe is a causally closed system during the entire course of its history: nothing and no-one outside it can interact with it in any way. Finally, in order to rule out intelligently guided organic chemistry explaining the origin of life via front-loading (as I presume Sutherland would wish to do), one would have to assume an additional premise: (4) Neither the laws nor the initial conditions of our universe were set by an intelligent being. //// These are not assumptions, these are observations, Mr. Torley. 1) We do see in the geological record that life came onto the scene at one point. It's not an assumption. 3) We've looked and found no evidence of anybody or anything controlling our universe from "outside". Now you want us to override that observation and assume, with no supporting evidence, that there's an external controller working from outside! 4) Again, there's absolutely no evidence for any intelligent being setting the conditions of the universe. But you still want us to acknowledge the presence of such a fictitious being! In addition, we have also observed that life can be reduced to chemistry, the building blocks of which are present throughout the universe and chemical reactions occur spontaneously under the right environmental conditions. Why don't you do something. Go produce some direct evidence for your designer first before sitting down and writing lengthy posts on why scientists are not considering him in their assumptions.Evolve
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correction, the verse is John 10:10bornagain77
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14. The fallacy of believing life is definable in terms of purely material processes. Mind and Cosmos - Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False - Thomas Nagel Excerpt: If materialism cannot accommodate consciousness and other mind-related aspects of reality, then we must abandon a purely materialist understanding of nature in general, extending to biology, evolutionary theory, and cosmology. Since minds are features of biological systems that have developed through evolution, the standard materialist version of evolutionary biology is fundamentally incomplete. And the cosmological history that led to the origin of life and the coming into existence of the conditions for evolution cannot be a merely materialist history. http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199919758.do "I have argued patiently against the prevailing form of naturalism, a reductive materialism that purports to capture life and mind through its neo-Darwinian extension." "..., I find this view antecedently unbelievable---a heroic triumph of ideological theory over common sense". Thomas Nagel - "Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False" - pg.128 The Science of Heaven by Dr. Eben Alexander – Nov. 18, 2012 Can consciousness exist when the body fails? One neurosurgeon says he has seen it firsthand—and takes on critics who vehemently disagree. Excerpt: Many scientists who study consciousness would agree with me that, in fact, the hard problem of consciousness is probably the one question facing modern science that is arguably forever beyond our knowing, at least in terms of a physicalist model of how the brain might create consciousness. In fact, they would agree that the problem is so profound that we don’t even know how to phrase a scientific question addressing it. But if we must decide which produces which, modern physics is pushing us in precisely the opposite direction, suggesting that it is consciousness that is primary and matter secondary. http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/11/18/the-science-of-heaven.html David Chalmers on Consciousness (Philosophical Zombies and the Hard Problem) – video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Yo6VbRoo One simple way of demonstrating that the mind is not the same thing as the brain comes from utilizing the ‘Law Of Identity’ to separate properties of mind from properties of the brain: Mind-Body Dualism - Is the Mind Purely a Function of the Brain? by Michael Egnor Conclusion: Strict materialism predicts that mental function will always correlate with brain function, because mental function is the same thing as brain function. Dualism predicts that mental function and brain function won’t always correlate, because mental function isn’t the same thing as brain function. The Cambridge findings are more consistent with the dualist prediction than with the strict materialist prediction. http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/mind-body_dualism.html Six reasons why you should believe in non-physical minds – podcast and summary (Law of Identity: 6 properties of mind that are not identical to properties of the brain, thus the mind is not the brain) http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/six-reasons-why-you-should-believe-in-non-physical-minds/ The Mind and Materialist Superstition – Six “conditions of mind” that are irreconcilable with materialism: Michael Egnor, professor of neurosurgery at SUNY, Stony Brook Excerpt: Intentionality,,, Qualia,,, Persistence of Self-Identity,,, Restricted Access,,, Incorrigibility,,, Free Will,,, http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/11/the_mind_and_materialist_super.html Alvin Plantinga has a humorous way of getting this ‘Law of Identity’ point across: Alvin Plantinga and the Modal Argument (for the existence of the mind/soul) – video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOTn_wRwDE0 “It (my body) looked like pretty much what it was. As in void of life.” Pam Reynolds - Extremely Monitored Near Death Experience – video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k John 1:1-4 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.bornagain77
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My favorite is the fallacy of pretending YOU are God...ha 1 God would make his existence proof positive by writing his name in the sky or inscribing it on the atom or something similar. 2 he didn't do so 3 Therefore, God doesn't exist Anytime someone makes a claim like this just tell him to form it like this: 1 John would make his existence proof positive by writing his name in the sky or inscribing it on the atom or something similar if he were God 2 No such thing exists in our universe 3 Therefore, John is not God or many fools say the universe is too big in relation to earth..the tiny speck 1 If Brian were God he would have made the universe small 2 The universe is Big 3 Therefore, Brian is not God If the universe were only our solar system they would say God doesn't exist because a powerful God would make the universe infinite. Its comical and childish logic that only serves to expose the blinding bias that clouds their thinking. They are afraid...people who are comfortable in their beliefs dont need to use such incoherent nonsense to pad their worldview.serious123
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"For Point A, the evolutionists use as support a series of simplistic studies that replaced the actual protein three-dimensional structure and amino acid chemistries with cartoon, two-dimensional lattice versions.…" What does this phrase "two dimensional lattice" even mean? The scientists made, expressed, purified, and studied real (three dimensional) proteins with a reduced amino acid complement. They fold and function. e.g.: Muller, M. et al. Directed Evolution of a Model Primordial Enzyme Provides Insights into the Development of the Genetic Code. PLOS Genetics, 2013, 9: e1003187, doi: 10.1371/journal.pgen.1003187 :Likewise Point B is at odds with science, and again is an unwarranted extrapolation on a simplistic lattice study." "Lattice study" again. You've simply made this up. Making real proteins with simplified hydrophobic cores was a popular trick. Pretty easy. Even your hero Douglas Axe did it: "These results imply that hydrophobicity is nearly a sufficient criterion for the construction of a functional core and, in conjunction with previous studies, that refinement of a crudely functional core entails more stringent sequence constraints than does the initial attainment of crude core function. Since attainment of crude function is the critical initial step in evolutionary innovation, the relatively scant requirements contributed by the hydrophobic core would greatly reduce the initial hurdle on the evolutionary pathway to novel enzymes." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8643620 Funny he ignores that study of his!!! In all honesty, if he disbelieves this data, he should retract. Or include the "reduce the initial hurdle" bit it in his big big numbers scam. "For Point C, the evolutionists note that many proteins are modular and consist of self-contained domains “of as few as approximately 50 amino acids.” But the vast majority of protein domains are far longer than 50 residues. Single domain proteins, and domains in multiple-domain proteins are typically in the hundreds of residues…" Vast majority are far longer than 50 residues? A single domain protein is ~4X more likely to be 50 amino acids long than 200 amino acids. The distribution of domain length peaks at ~100 amino acids and falls off pretty rapidly. Sorry, the data (in public databases) just doesn't support you. See figure 2: http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/7/613.full.pdfREC
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The origin of life — the key process in the origin of life was the arising of a self-replicating molecule. This was a very simple thing compared with what it’s given rise to.
Now this is something that can be scientifically ascertained! Right?Mung
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VJT, thank you again for another magnificent, thought provoking OP. May it enjoy a long and fruitful life. (1) Life began at some point in time during the history of the universe; You assert that this can be scientifically ascertained, but I have to say I have my doubts. Is there a fallacy of the over-reaching explanation? If not I lay claim to originating it! But that's not meant to detract from your original point. (3) The universe is a causally closed system during the entire course of its history: nothing and no-one outside it can interact with it in any way. It seems to me that the first premise depends on the truth of the third premise. If it cannot be scientifically ascertained that the universe is a causally closed system then it cannot be scientifically ascertained that life began at some point in time during the history of the universe. As far as whether the Dryden paper is question begging, I have to come down on the side of not, for now. There are (at least) two impediments to evolutionary theory. (1) The size of the space that has to be sampled. (2) The likelihood of locating a functional protein sequence withing that space. It seems to me that the paper cited is addressing the first objection to evolutionary theory, that the size of the sample space is beyond any reasonable sampling algorithm. They say:
We conclude that rather than life having explored only an infinitesimally small part of sequence space in the last 4?Gyr, it is instead quite plausible for all of functional protein sequence space to have been explored
So they seem to be claiming that given life on earth, sequence space was fully searchable in the last x number of years. Now the relevance of their claims to claims made by Bradley and Dembski would depend on what those authors were arguing, and if the conclusion by Dryden is a case in not addressing the arguments then it's more likley a non-sequitur. :)Mung
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Even the Bible agrees that life arose from dirt. :)Mung
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