Uncommon Descent Serving The Intelligent Design Community

The Faithful Gather to Worship Saint Charles


See the coverage at the Onion.  

azapril wrote:
However, is this really the kind of truth that we want to be reading about, laughing about?
No, we should be serious about science at all times. That way science can be more like religion in that it's extremely impolite and insensitive to joke about it and practically everybody will avoid doing so. angryoldfatman
Sadly, this article does display more truth than satire, as Farfarman states. However, is this really the kind of truth that we want to be reading about, laughing about? Whether you support Intelligent Design or Darwinism, this kind of article simply gets in the way of the real discussion and issues at hand. Any proponent of either viewpoint using an article with this kind of sarcastic coverage pollutes the overall debate with demagoguery so offensive it could lead both sides into a brainless imitation of an episode of “Yo Mama”. In fact, we should take the example of The Onion, by being very clear about the type of information we share and promote. Several articles published by this source have been attacked by groups worried about the validity of their claims. In fact, columnist Ellen Makkai attempted to use one Onion article against the Harry Potter series, by offering up “evidence” from an article that the books were provoking kids to practice witchcraft. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25446. I believe one of the biggest problems for the debate is currently the prominence and importance the media and others have given to the opinions and practices of radical minorities on both fronts. However, I’d guess that most educated Darwinists would find the extremists on their side to be simply fueling the fire behind the oppositions’ arguments. I know I do not want any of my fellow ID advocates to be affected by viewing the actions of radical design parties and thus abandoning intelligent debate. I found the following analogy from Michael Ruse, an authority on the history and philosophy of science at Florida State University, very intriguing. He relates the dynamics of the debate to the civil rights movement, stating, “If we can only get over this hangup about the sciences and evolution, 20, 40, 50 years from now, people are going to be looking back and saying, 'Am I ever glad we don't have to fight that anymore.” http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/15/State/Public__Faith_trumps_.shtml. While Darwinists might find fault with this analogy ;), it cannot be denied that this is a crucial debate and some participants will abandon all decorum and honest fact to discredit the other side. The debate is complicated enough without clouding the scene with emotional attacks leading to unfounded prejudices against the opponents. Let’s return to a debate of the science and fact behind both theories as well as an evalution of the influence our current culture and society has on the issues. While the silliness in this article is cute, let’s not give these radical extremists of either side the satisfaction of turning away from a productive debate. azapril
PannenbergOmega wrote:
Always such violent contributions from the AngryOldFatMan.
Yes. Natural selection is violent. So is humor (punchlines, gags, killing, dying, bombing, a riot, a scream, cracking up, busting a gut, in stitches, knee-slapping, side-splitting, rolling around on the floor, etc.). Someone as sensitive as yourself should stay away from both of these things.
I wonder if it is a cry for help. :/
Yes. Send me money. angryoldfatman
Since we are in the chuckling mode, i liked this one. http://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/6466/ Jack Golightly
Off topic: Anyone notice this origin of life computer program? : http://www.physorg.com/news139574725.html Hmmm, now what do we expect the base assumptions programmed into this software will be? Borne
Frost122585, What experts? William Wallace
This is what our tax dollars go to. Can you image the idiot robots who actually carried out these experiments? Frost122585
That is supposed to be a worried face. PannenbergOmega
Always such violent contributions from the AngryOldFatMan. I wonder if it is a cry for help. :/ PannenbergOmega
In other Onion science news, primates have yet to evolve carapaces even in the presence of extreme selection pressures. angryoldfatman
Now you've made me curious as to what's in the other species' libraries. jjcassidy
Devotees, it is a reward for your implicit, unquestioning faith that the Author of the Best Idea Anyone Ever Had, the Most Important Book in the Library of Our Species has appeared unto you. But ... yet another wonder!: He has appeared again - in a tree! Verily the Tree of Life. Curiously, just today I was dealing with a Christian who is a genuinely convinced "theistic evolutionist". He actually believes it all .... wow ... the Darwinian Fairy Tales The sense of the ridiculous is, in some places, in desperately short supply. O'Leary
My IQ was tested twice in my life,- 123 in 3rd grade and 133 in 11th grade. This showed me that IQ can be improved despite what the experts say. Frost122585
Great, even brilliant satire at Scrappleface. Thanks for the reference, DaveScot. I especially liked New Lack of Evidence Boosts Certainty of Darwinism, by Scott Ott, at http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2688 : "......Far from casting doubt on Darwin’s theory, experts say that the lack of evidence and contradictory discoveries have helped to build “a consensus of certainty in the field.” “Finding little physical evidence to substantiate the theory only means there must still be a great deal of supportive evidence out there to be found,” said an unnamed editor of the journal Nature, which plans to publish a paper on the African skulls this week. “The more we realize how little we know, the more certain we are that we’re right. As I once read in a scholarly paper somewhere, ‘faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen’.” " magnan
It's either him, or Davy Jones from the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise. wnelson
To me, the article is too close to the truth to be satire. As for the Darwinists in the article, their behavior is too realistic to be satire. We have the "I love Darwin" stuff (even a doggie shirt), the "Friend of Darwin" certificates handed out at a reunion of the Dover plaintiffs team, the ridiculous Darwin Day merrymaking, the Clergy Letter, the Darwin Sunday sermons, the Darwin-Lincoln crap, the evolution-is-central-to-biology crap, etc.. Then there is the logo of www.ThankGodForEvolution.com On the fundy side, there is an article titled "Evolutionists should not be allowed to roam free in the land" in the newsletter of the Creation Science Association For Mid-America. The article said,
Evolution is the apologetic system of the end time religion. It will not be eradicated. Well, not until the antichrist kills all of them in order to promote and make way for worship of himself. Even then, it will not be the sane people (Christians) who will kill all the evolutionists, it will be the criminally insane folks who worship the antichrist, who will, incidentally, as the Bible predicts, be an Assyrian. . . .it is my theory that it will not, of course, be Christians who kill all the evolutionists, but Muslims who delight in killing both evolutionists and Christians. Nevertheless, I find it instructive and entertaining to analyze what should be done with evolutionists before their end comes. . . . Since evolutionists are liars and most do not really believe evolution we could employ truth serum or water-boarding to obtain confessions of evolution rejection.
The banner of the CSAFMA says,
"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen." I Timothy 6:20-21, KJV "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ." II Corinthians 10:5, KJV
Also, after the pro-ID members of the Dover school board were voted out, televangelist Pat Robertson said,
"If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there."
Also, Robertson said in a later statement,
"I was simply stating that our spiritual actions have consequences and it's high time we started recognizing it," he said. "God is tolerant and loving, but we can't keep sticking our finger in His eye forever. If they have future problems in Dover, I recommend they call on Charles Darwin ... maybe he can help them."
-- from http://yorkdispatch.inyork.com/local/ci_3206058 Satire, my eye! Well, at least they should have saved it for April Fools' Day. Larry Fafarman
Isn't that Chewie? Charlie
And now, for on topic: The onion is good for a chuckle! William Wallace
Some fodder for a future blog entry (feel free to delete this off-topic comment). This is unbelievable. Who would have thought biologists had an IQ of 121.5? I would have guessed 102.5. IQ in different fields The results are in: 130.0 Physics 129.0 Mathematics 128.5 Computer Science 128.0 Economics 127.5 Chemical engineering 127.0 Material science 126.0 Electrical engineering 125.5 Mechanical engineering 125.0 Philosophy 124.0 Chemistry 123.0 Earth sciences 122.0 Industrial engineering 122.0 Civil engineering 121.5 Biology 120.1 English/literature 120.0 Religion/theology 119.8 Political science 119.7 History 118.0 Art history 117.7 Anthropology/archeology 116.5 Architecture 116.0 Business 115.0 Sociology 114.0 Psychology 114.0 Medicine 112.0 Communication 109.0 Education 106.0 Public administration William Wallace
Scrappleface has always been my favorite. Check these out. DaveScot
Another gem at "The Onion" is "Intelligent Falling Theory" so we can see they are fair and can make fun of everyone. http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512?issue=4228&special=2005 idnet.com.au
idnet Are you sure that's satire? I'm creating a new category "Poe's Law" for this one. DaveScot
Hey Barry, this should be filed under "humor" or some of us, who are unfamilliar with The Onion, may get the idea that these people are for real. idnet.com.au
That doesn't seem like a news site. More like satire. IRQ Conflict

Leave a Reply