The Statue of Liberty is OK. And so is ID

Part 4

Breaking Sticks - Winston Ewert - December 5, 2015 Conclusion: English and Felsenstein have been engaged in knocking down straw men. Felsenstein attacks a version of specified complexity that Dembski never articulated. He misrepresents the actual idea promoted by Dembski as being pointlessly circular. Both critics misrepresent conservation of information as a simplistic argument that only intelligence can produce active information. They misrepresent us as claiming that Darwinian evolution is only as good as a random guess, despite the explicit published demonstration that repeated queries are a source of active information. English misrepresents our reasons for thinking that birds are more probable than a random configuration of matter. Their arguments are valid objections to these straw men, but our actual arguments lie elsewhere. What, then, would be necessary to demonstrate that we are wrong? As I've argued, conservation of information shows that evolution requires a source of active information. We have not proven that such a source must be teleological. Nevertheless, we've argued that the sources present in available models of evolution are indeed teleological. Our argument would be refuted by the demonstration of a model with a source that is both non-teleological and provides sufficient active information to account for biological complexity. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/12/breaking_sticks101401.html

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I love WW11 movies but hated private ryan. it was actually anti- American in the usual liberal hollywood way. Tom hanks is a terrible actor and character when not in a special character status. Remember the statue was given by the French and was not made by americans. As long as the people do not rule themselves , but are ruled by the courts, its not the land of liberty as proposed and consented to by the people. its just also a liberal concept. i still like to see it one day . As a statue of liberity and not a symbol of foreigners right or justification to enter and possess America. Its used for that a lot. The opposite of liberty for the natives. Robert Byers

VC, We got to go into the base, but not the statute itself. I feel sorry for Larry. It must be sinking in that he gave away the store last month. Barry Arrington

Did you get to go into the Statue? I know the guy who installed the Entry Scans- the explosive sniffing "puffer machines". He got a personal, private guided tour of the Statue a month before it re-opened (while the security was being set up- July 2004). Some jobs have cool perks. Also, over on TSZ, your buddy Larry Moron, is busy proving he would rather be willfully ignorant of ID than to admit that evolution by design is a possibility. Virgil Cain

Tom English? Oh, HIM! Barry, did you hear … this one? Shoutout to Tom English: How much of the animus you display against Marks and Dembski is scholarly?

English appears to have more or less retracted his own paper since 1996, as this amended version at his Bounded Theoretics site shows. The Abstract is now heavily edited. A number of pages feature crossouts of the text (explanation appended at [2]).

That perhaps is the context for his comment at Salvo, “conservation of information” turns out to be nothing but obfuscation of statistical independence—a concept that undergraduates encounter early in introductory courses on probability and statistics.

But, whatever the fate of English’s paper, the sense in which Marks and Dembski have used the phrase conservation of information (COI) [3] is well supported by the work of others in the literature.

Here is a similar statement from Harvard mathematician …

Yeah, the guy was raising heck with yer humble news hack over at Salvo, and well, you can read about it here. Background: Data Basic News