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The Unwritten Treaty with Materialists

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The leadership of the United Methodist Church (but not the majority of its members or pastors, most of us are disgusted by this move) have decided to ban Intelligent Design from their general meeting, see here. They have apparently signed on to the unwritten treaty with materialists which says, basically, we will accept without question anything you claim “science says,” and won’t ever even look for anything in science which supports our faith, just please, please, leave us a little safe corner over here called “faith” and don’t attack us as ignorant for anything we say there. Attack the fundamentalists, they are much more ignorant than we are; in fact, we’ll help you attack them.

Does this remind anyone of the negociating philosphy used by another bad negociator? And how are these agreements working out?

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Most churches are too crazy about letting people think for themselves. Most church goers have never been content to be told what they should think. Just one non-thinker’s opinion.Mung
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Most churches never were too crazy about letting people think for themselves. Most church goers have always been content to be told what they should think. Just one thinker's opinion. StephenSteRusJon
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It would seem that the United Methodist Church is very much inclined to embrace Atheism as their fundamental doctrine. I suggest they drop the word "Church" from their title, and also drop "Methodist" as well, since the 'method' of Darwinism - random mutations and natural selection over 'deep time'- smacks more of chaos than any creative method known to man. They should also drop the Bible as their source of truth of 'truth' and replace it with "The Origin of Species.” Perhaps a better name for this social club would be something along the lines of the “United Darwinist Deep Time Methodology and Closed Minded Non-Thinking Social Club.”ayearningforpublius
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This is a attack on religious faith, religious speech, and American freedom. They are censoring ideas that are about discovery of gods fingerprints in nature by scientific investigation by small numbers of scientists who apply themselves to this. they have no moral right to reject because they do not a agenda to reject truth. They are saying THEY DISMISS iD as truth or in its claims to be scientific investigation of nature. whatever dumb reason they give its obvious the reason. A teamplayer in attacking iD as a scientific claim . They are saying ID is lying or foolish to say they are science with a conclusion about origins of complexity etc. They are not honest about their motives are smart enough to understand them. Did someone get to them first? hmmm. ID should approach evangelical folks. We have greater conferences with greater numbers and great cross sections of the population. These dying groups skew to the elderly and less mainstream types. On points of agreement ID could get good audiences and attention and YEC folks need good scholarship for common doctrines on these matters. Hey opportunity?Robert Byers
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This whole thing could also be because Discovery Institute has lately been harboring crackpots like Michael Egnor in its midst. I say, get rid of the crackpots and everything will return to normal. At the very least, the crackpots should recant their crackpottery.Mapou
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As a non-Methodist, but having hung out with a number of them over the years, I have the impression that they are proud of few things as much as their openmindedness, as they strive to reflect the zeitgeist of today. (But if any Methodists out there wish to correct me, have at it. This is only my impression as an outsider looking in...)EDTA
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Here at UD we don't have to pretend that Neil is posting in good faith.Mung
January 19, 2016
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The only faith ID requires is the faith in our ability to discern design from nature, operating freelyVirgil Cain
January 19, 2016
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The leadership of the United Methodist Church (but not the majority of its members or pastors, most of us are disgusted by this move) have decided to ban Intelligent Design from their general meeting, see here.
When I read your "here" reference, it says that they are not allowing a presentation by the Discovery Institute. It doesn't say that they have banned Intelligent Design. I'm quite puzzled by this. When I go to a professional meeting, it is quite obvious that the meeting organizers control who is allowed to make a presentation. I'm puzzled as to why you think that the UMC should not similarly have control of its meetings.Neil Rickert
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