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No paleontologists reported finding any transitional forms today – yet another stunning confirmation of the theory of punctuated equilibrium.

Seriously, I hope some of our Darwinists friends who post comments on this site can help me understand how evolutionary theorists deal with their cognitive dissonance when they consider the issue of gradualism and the general absence of transitional forms from the fossil record.

Now on the one hand, you have Charles Darwin, who understood that if his theory were true there must have been a whole universe of transitional species. He understood that the fossil record did not support this view, but hoped that in the future this would be remedied by determined paleontologists finding ever more proof of his theory.

“But just in proportion as this process of extermination has acted on an enormous scale, so must the number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed, be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against my theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record.”

Origin of Species, chapter 6

But he knew that if his appeal to the imperfection of the fossil record turned out to be unavailing, his entire theory would crumble:

“He who rejects this view of the imperfection of the geological record, will rightly reject the whole theory. For he may ask in vain where are the numberless transitional links which must formerly have connected the closely allied or representative species, found in the successive stages of the same great formation?” Origin of Species, chapter 11.

Today, it is clear that just that has happened. Darwin’s predictions about gradualism have been refuted.

“Darwin’s prediction of rampant, albeit gradual, change affecting all lineages through time is refuted. The record is there, and the record speaks for tremendous anatomical conservatism. Change in the manner Darwin expected is just not found in the fossil record.” Niles Eldredge and Ian Tattersall, The Myth of Human Evolution (New York: Columbia University Press, 1982), 45-46.

“Gradualism, the idea that all change must be smooth, slow, and steady, was never read from the rocks. It was primarily a prejudice of nineteenth-century liberalism facing a world in revolution. But it continues to color our supposedly objective reading of life’s history.” Stephen Jay Gould, “An Early Start,” Natural History 87, February 1978): 24.

“I wish in no way to impugn the potential validity of gradualism . . . I wish only to point out that it was never ‘seen’ in the rocks.” Stephen Jay Gould, “Evolution’s Erratic Pace,” Natural History 86 (May 1977), 14, 12-16.

“The fossil record with its abrupt transitions offers no support for gradual change . . .” Stephen Jay Gould, “The Return of Hopeful Monsters,” Natural History 86 (June/July 1977): 22, 22-30.

Nor can the absence of proof for Darwinian gradualism any longer be attributed to an incomplete fossil record:

“The record jumps, and all the evidence shows that the record is real: the gaps we see reflect real events in life’s history – not the artifact of a poor fossil record.” Niles Eldredge and Ian Tattersall, The Myth of Human Evolution (New York: Columbia University Press, 1982), 59-60.

“Niles Eldredge and I . . . argued that two outstanding facts of the fossil record – geologically ‘sudden’ origin of new species and failure to change thereafter (stasis) – reflect the predictions of evolutionary theory, not the imperfections of the fossil record.” Stephen Jay Gould, “Evolution as Fact and Theory,” in Science and Creationism, ed. Ashley Montagu, 123 (New York: Oxford University Press, 1984).

“We must learn to accept the fossil record at face value and construct our theories around it, not the other way round. Too often we have endeavored to force it into a particular mold or to ignore awkward facts contained in it . . . We still have a long way to go before we look at the fossil record for what it is and not for what we would like it to be. Historically, from Lyell and Darwin onwards, people have looked at the fossil record with a particular pattern in mind. They have failed to find the pattern they sought and have appealed to the incompleteness of the fossil record to explain way this anomaly. We are still doing this . . .”

Christopher R.C. Paul, “The Adequacy of the Fossil Record,” in K.A. Joysey and A. E. Friday, eds., Problems of Phylogenetic Reconstruction, 115-16 (London, Academic Press, 1982).

Yet today, Darwinists continue to argue that gradualism is absolutely necessary to the success of Darwin’s theory:

“Gradualness is of the essence. In the context of the fight against creationism, gradualism is more or less synonymous with evolution itself. If you throw out gradualness you throw out the very thing that makes evolution more plausible than creation. Creation is a special case of saltation – the saltus is the large jump from nothing to fully formed modern life. When you think of what Darwin was fighting against, is it any wonder that he continually returned to the theme of slow, gradual, step-by-step change?”

Richard Dawkins, “What Was All the Fuss About?” review of Time Frames: The Rethinking of Darwinian Evolution and the Theory of Punctuated Equilibria by Niles Eldredge, Nature 316 (August 1985): 683-684 (emphasis added).

“Gradualism is a concept I believe in, not just because of Darwin’s authority, but because my understanding of genetics seems to demand it.” Colin Patteson to Luther Sunderland, April 10, 1979, quoted in quoted in Luther .D. Sunderland, Darwin’s Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems 4th ed. (El Cajon, CA: Master Book Publishers, 1988), 89.

Some Darwinists have gone so far as to say that if the fossil record does not support gradualism, then “so much the worse for the fossil record.” We will chuck it out and continue to believe in gradualism:

“The argument [between gradualists and punctuationists] is about the actual historical pattern of evolution; but outsiders, seeing a controversy unfolding, have imagined that it is about the truth of evolution – whether evolution occurred at all. This is a terrible mistake; and it springs, I believe, from the false idea that the fossil record provides an important part of the evidence that evolution took place. In fact, evolution is proven by a totally separate set of arguments – and the present debate within paleontology does not impinge at all on the evidence that supports evolution . . . In any case, no real evolutionist, whether gradualist or punctuationist, uses the fossil record as evidence in favour of the theory of evolution as opposed to special creation.”

Mark Ridley, “Who Doubts Evolution?” New Scientist 90 (June 25, 1981): 830-1, 830-32.

The problem with this approach is that, as should be obvious, the fossil record is the ONLY evidence we have for what actually happened in the past, as opposed to what we think might have happened:

“Although the comparative study of living animals and plants may give very convincing circumstantial evidence, fossils provide the only historical, documentary evidence that life has evolved from simpler to more and more complex forms.” Carl O. Dunbar, Historical Geology (New York: John Wiley and Sons, 1960), 47.

“Naturalists must remember that the process of evolution is revealed only through fossil forms. A knowledge of paleontology is, therefore, a prerequisite; only paleontology can provide them with the evidence of evolution and reveal its course or mechanisms. Neither the examination of present beings, nor imagination, nor theories can serve as a substitute for paleontological documents. If they ignore them, biologists, the philosophers of nature, indulge in numerous commentaries and can only come up with hypotheses. This is why we constantly have recourse to paleontology, the only true science of evolution . . . The true course of evolution is and can only be revealed by paleontology.”

Pierre P. Grasse, Evolution of Living Organisms: Evidence for a New Theory of Transformation, (New York: Academic Press, 1977), 3-4, 204.

In summary, Darwin said that his theory depends upon gradualism. Gradualism has never been seen in the fossil record. Therefore, gradualism, and any theory that depends upon on it, is falsified. Nevertheless, Darwinists continue to believe in gradualism, and some have even proposed abandoning the fossil record if it does not support it. But the fossil record is the only evidence we have for what actually happened.

Can someone help me out here?

Comments

Great_Ape,

I can understand the taking to drinking comment. When I was in graduate school, some of my classmates and I took to the bars and would have fun making up stories about history, politics and science or other things. The more beers we had, the better the stories. We had this great story about why Caesar was killed. They were fun nights. After reading what Darwinists say about transitional events, I am beginning to believe these "events" originated in bars too.

Are you saying that because there are no or almost no transitional forms (so gradualism is suspect) or that the transitions must have happened rapidly (but we don't have any mechanism to explain such a rapid transition) as long as we can make up stories, everything is hunky dory in evolutionist land and you and your buddies can sleep at night. This is great. We can now add a new kingdom at Disney World where all the rides are the dream worlds of Darwinists. Or are they bar tales?

On a serious note, people should add to their list of must see's, the new video by David Berlinski. He destroys Darwinists and illustrates the hypocrisy of modern biology better than anything I have seen so far. I love his "cow to whale" discussion. Of course in Evolutionist Land, this would only be one long ride. But of course we have been taken for a ride by the Darwinists now for about 150 years.

Thanks for the heads up on the Berlinski video. Any info on where I can order it? -- BAjerry
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That's why we're still digging.Jeffery Keown
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Let me defend Darwin here a little bit. First, he said there must be an enormous number of intermediate *varieties*, not intermediate *fossils*. Secondly, he explained why there are so few intermediate fossils: the extreme imperfection of the geological record. I think most modern day biologists would agree with both points.

Where most modern day biologists would probably disagree with Darwin is on his extreme gradualism. Both slow gradual change and more abrupt “punctuated” change are believed to have occurred, and are not seen as contradicting the general theory of evolution. Spectacular adaptive radiations such as the explosion of metazoans in the early Cambrian were probably “waiting” for the right environmental conditions to occur, such as the increasing oxygen level in the Pre-Cambrian.

Waiting implies planning. It never fails to amuse me how loaded teleological terms are used in discussions of evolution by those who think there's no teleology involved. Even you, who realized you were using a loaded term and put it in qoutes to acknowledge it, evidently couldn't come up with a better word devoid of implied purpose. You argue against but your choice of words unavoidably argues for. :cool: -ds Raevmo
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The following comes from the US Geological Survey about dinosaur fossils. http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dinosaurs/types.html "How many types of dinosaurs are known? Approximately 700 species have been named. However, a recent scientific review suggests that only about half of these are based on fairly complete specimens that can be shown to be unique and separate species. These species are placed in about 300 valid dinosaur genera (Stegosaurus, Diplodocus, etc.), although about 540 have been named. Recent estimates suggest that about 700 to 900 more dinosaur genera may remain to be discovered. Most dinosaur genera presently contain only one species (for example, Deinonychus) but some have more (for example, Iguanodon). Even if all of the roughly 700 published species are valid, their number is still less than one-tenth the number of currently known living bird species, less than one-fifth the number of currently known mammal species, and less than one-third the number of currently known spider species." Seems surprising to me that so few species of dinosaurs have been found after ~170 years of digging. You'd get the impression from naturalists that if dinosaurs ruled the world for several hundred million years that there would be vast numbers of species, not a few hundred.benkeshet
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D Falk p109 "The story of intermediate fossils to whales from organisms closely related to predecessors of the hippopotamus to whales has become one of the greatest "transitional species" stories in all of biology. cit K Wong Sci Am 286, no5 (2002):70-79." p120 "There really is a set of excellent candidate species for transition between reptiles and mammals." p123 "Almost unanimously, paleontologists now believe they can explain the liniage of birds." p126 "Fosilization is an exceedingly unlikely event. Only a miniscule fraction of the organisms happened to be at the right place at the right time to be preserved in perpetuity. Transitional species are expected to occur primarily in tiny populations." p128 "The fact is that some transitional forms have been "caught" but most have not. This is not surprising; it is exactly what geneticists would predict." p129 "Those who say there is an absence of transitional organisms in the fossil record are wrong. A number have been found. They do not understand the reasons for the scarcity of such fossils. The fossil data is expected to provide only a tiny glimpse." W Dembski writes on the back cover of this book: "It is important to .. grapple with the arguments contained in this book."idnet.com.au
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"Seriously, I hope some of our Darwinists friends who post comments on this site can help me understand how evolutionary theorists deal with their cognitive dissonance when they consider the issue of gradualism and the general absence of transitional forms from the fossil record." -BA

Personally, I have taken to drinking... Just kidding. As I have alluded to on another thread, I was troubled for a while by the implications of the Cambrian explosion when I first read about it. When the genetic data later came that suggested several of those phylums (specifically, those that are extant and can provide genetic data) had a much deeper history and didn't just appear in a 10myr span, I was less troubled.

Where are the transitional forms? I can reiterate to you the party line(s)--or at least my own take on them--which you no doubt have all heard before, but they are nevertheless what helps us sleep at night. (1) Fossilization is a rare occurrence requiring a very specific set of conditions contingent on the organism's environment. While Darwin was correct in assessing that the fossil record was woefully incomplete, he was overly optimistic concerning our future ability to remedy the situation.

(2)Transitional forms *may* frequently be more "transitional" and consequently more ephemeral. Their slices in history are smaller than their stable "equilibrium" ancestors/descendants, and therefore they may be less likely to be "sampled" by rare fossilization occurrences. Gould did a fine job of pointing out--even if folks still disagree about the details and extent of the phenomenon--that Darwin's slow, monotonous gradualism was an oversimplification of what happens and may well be the exception rather than the rule. I suspect that most modern evolutionists are not strongly wedded to Darwin's vision of gradualism. That is not to say they are strong adherents of punctuated equilibrium either. Some things are gradual, some are not. On top of all this, "gradual" is a relative term. If you're a YEC or something similar, then yes, all modern evolutionists have a *very* gradualistic concept of evolution. If you're not a YEC, then you can appreciate that gradualism is a relative concept. The mammalian radiation appears to have occurred very rapidly in evolutionary terms, but it still took millions of years. The pace of change will depend upon many complex influences.

(3)there are *some* plausible transitional forms discovered(e.g. the recent leggy fish thing, the brow-ridged humanoids, little horsies...slightly bigger horsies, etc.) What's more, the genetic data--particularly that derived from retrotransposon insertions (look up N. Okada's work, for many such examples)--provides rock-solid common descent evidence. (e.g. relationships among hippos and whales, etc.) A strong foundation for common descent makes one rather comfortable with transitional forms. You have two observed forms with established common descent; it doesn't take a great leap of faith to infer that they were, at some point, connected by transitional states. How rapid that transition occurred can obviously be argued extensively, of course, but no evolutionist questions the transition itself...so we don't loose any sleep over this particular matter.

(On that note, what are you suggesting BA?...that the transitional forms simply don't exist at all--and that's why they're found in such small number--or are you suggesting that the transition was super-rapid in a way that modern evolution can not accomodate within its framework? Clearly I consider the latter position more defensible (given the empirical data) than the former.)

So I guess that while I still have a few concerns about the adequacy of current evolutionary theory to completely account for the complexity of life as we know it, the matter of transitional forms or lack-there-of does not endanger my peace of mind. If Darwin thought that evolution would need to be tossed out if there turned out to be, many years later, still a lack in many people's minds of sufficient evidence for his particular version of gradualism, then so much the worse for *Darwin*. He was also wrong on a number of other points. Evolution, as we currently understand it, does not live or die on the words of a 19th Century naturalist. Thus he's not the most appropriate fellow to engage in an ongoing dialogue with. He's quite dead, after all. Has been so for some time, and we've learned much in the interim.

Lack of a continuum of species with small changes in the fossil record probably isn't due to a grossly incomplete record. It just didn't happen like that and the fossil record IS giving us a good picture. Corroboration for this is that the fossil record matches the lack of a continuum of species living today. Darwin explains this by saying that extant species are perfected to a point where they outcompete their immediate ancestors and cause them to become extinct. Selection pressure really isn't strong enough to do that for small changes. In fact as Sanford posits in his book the signal-to-noise ratio is so low in the natural selection of beneficial mutations that he doesn't think NS can come anywhere close to doing anything constructive. -ds great_ape
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I will give you the quotes I was referring to from Darryl Falk "Coming to peace with Science" IVP 2004

(By the way, don't shoot me, I am a convinced ID advocate. I am just the messenger here. He may not be telling things like they are. How am I to know? He is coming to Australia in the next week or so. I would like to challenge him if he is wrong.)

p94 "The existence of the so called Cambrian Explosion is highly controversial in the halls of science. Many biologists doubt that the Cambrian expolsion ever really occurred. Some think it is an artifact. About 550million years ago a change resulted in much greater liklihood of fossilization."

p94 'There is little evidence to support the notion of a small number of distinct bursts of creative activity."

p98 "Fossils provide a record of 164 different elephant-related species." p99 "It is possible to trace the history of these magnificent beasts."

p103 "It is possible to detect some turtlelike species that resided on earth "shortly" before turtles themselves appeared."

p105 "Elephants and turtles give the same message. They do not appear fully formed all at once in the fossil record. Just before they make their debut, other animals with similar but more primative features make an entry, only to leave when the "real thing" comes along."

p125 "Over the past decade or two there has been a tremendous increase in the number of transitional species that have been found."

"The 1990s was the greatest decade in history for the discovery of transitions. It takes a while for the findings published in the scientific litterature to trickle down to non biologists."

idnet.com.au: “The 1990s was the greatest decade in history for the discovery of transitions.” Why do I get the feeling that there is more than simple correlation between the fact that Johnson and Denton wrote in the late 80’s and early 90’s and then, all of a sudden, there was an increase in the number of claimed intermediates. idnet.com.au
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Hello everyone,
I'd be interested to know how folks here think the paucity of transitional fossils is best accounted for in an ID-informed history of life on earth. For instance, does the pattern of rapid appearance of species followed by long periods of stasis support the notion of an active, tinkering designer? Do some folks see this as real proof of a young earth and a more recent single episode of creative design?

Thanks

Front loaded evolution. Saltation. -ds Michael Tuite
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Barry wrote:
"Also, look again at what Darwin predicts: “the number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed, be truly ENORMOUS . . .” The handful of hopefuls that have been put forward in the last few years will never, ever come close to what the theory predicts should be there. It really is a closed case. — BA"

Barry,
Read carefully. Darwin says that the number of formerly existing intermediate varieties must be enormous. He does NOT say that the number of fossils available to us from those intermediates must be enormous.

To successful challenge Darwin, you would need to show that given the quality of the fossil record, the number of intermediate fossils ought to be much higher than it is. That would mean quantifying the following:

a. the probability that an individual becomes fossilized
b. the probability that the fossil is available to us now at the earth's surface
c. the probability that someone finds the fossil before it is scattered or eroded
d. the rate of evolutionary change for the trait(s) in question
e. the size and location of the population in which the change happened
and others.

Unless you've crunched the numbers, I don't see how you can argue that the number of intermediate fossils is less than would be expected under the Darwinian paradigm.

Excuse the heck out of me for such heresy but why doesn't the Church of Darwin have to defend its scriptures by quantifying a, b, c, d, and e above? It's the Darwinian dogma that hasn't matched up with the fossil record. It's therefore up to the defenders of the Darwinian faith to crunch numbers and explain why the fossil record isn't in accord with the preaching of the Darwinian clergy. -ds zapatero
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BK:

That's largely because they don't exist. If they really existed they would not have to be in the eye of the beholder, they would be obvious to every viewer.

The only transitional forms that the evo's have ever been able to present are essentially within-kind transitions, like a horse to a horse. For a funny overview of evolutionary transitions, see http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/cleanerf.htm

One of the things that unfortunately props up evolutionary theory is the fact that fossils are generally from bones. The skeletal structure is probably the most morphologically similar feature that all vertebrates share. And that is the only thing that is preserved in the fossil record! Soft tissue is not preserved. Habitats are not preserved. Just the skeletal structure. Which is interesting, especially since you don't see any sort of transitions whatsoever in non-vertebrate animals, where the fossils are holistic rather than just a single part of the anatomy. The invertebrate fossil record shows nothing of evolution, neither does that of plants, yet these are what dominate the fossil record.

Again from the same website:

http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/articles_debates/fossil_illusion.htm

Interesting link johnnyb. It is a good think to keep in mind -- and not remarked upon often enough -- that the absence of transitional forms is clearest in just the place we would expect them to be most overwhelming if gradualism were true, i.e., among the invertebrates. -- BA johnnyb
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Gradualism (Missing Link theory) is yet another great 'cornerstone' of Methodological Naturalism (MN) and is the very fabric of its cheap gorilla suit. It is a hairy tissue, wraught with "evidence" like: - Piltdown Man - Haekel’s faked embryonic drawings - The Yale DNA Hybridization Scandal - Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis (National Geographic 1999) Fraud - More to come ... RM+NS pressure can observably adapt pre-existing design parameters (exons) built into the genetic code. It is mechanistic, fully automatic, and no one would dispute it. But RM+NS does not observably affect itrons (what neo-darwinists disturbingly refer to as 'junk'). Introns do not fit into the mechanistic doctrine of MN. MN has yet to explain where introns come from, only giving two theories -- the junk showed up early in the evolutionary process, or later (intron early vs intron late) Nature does not produce junk, but crappy human behaviour caused by crummy human doctrine spews the stuff forth like there's no tommorow (Global Warming is also crummy doctrine - but that's for another blog) One recent thread in this blog got around the idea of a SETI-like project to search genomic intron data for intelligent design. Since introns were not 'created' by RM+NS, evidence of intron intelligence would really knock MN on its neo-fascistic ass. It would cause the cornerstones of post-modernism to crumble like the sandy foundation that they truly are. But this won't happen until we become what we truly are. Those intron design patterns aren't going to appreciate themselves...Collin DuCrâne
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I like what this guy wrote about the lastest transitional fossil of fish to land animal. http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v10i8n.htm "...Now that the theory of evolution is seriously being challenged, evolutionists are desperately trying to find anything that can be called an intermediate form. If one politician is running a negative campaign against another politician, and the most damning thing he can say is that the other guy got one parking ticket 28 years ago, the weakness of the charge is better evidence of innocence than guilt. If the best transitional form evolutionists can come up with is Tiktaalik, then the weakness of their claim is better evidence against evolution than for it.Smidlee
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Golden Oldies: Transitional Fossils With the recent find of various additional transitional fossils, it may be relevant to revisit a ‘golden oldie’ written by Wesley Elsberry title Missing links still missing!? Talkorigins Post of the Month: February 1998. Although, given the number of t...Panda's Thumb
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BarryA - Very nice synopsis of the issue, and great question. From what I've been able to read about recent "transitional forms" I can see little in the way of evidence for evolution by mutation and natural selection based on ever so slight, gradual changes over long periods of time. For that to be the model for evolutionary change the fosil record should be overwhelmed with almost nothing but transitional forms - to the point of being a challenge just to track lineages due to the sheer numbers of them. That the record does not show this points to punctuated eliqualibrium or some other mode such as front-loaded prescribed evolution with pre-planned transitions.dougmoran
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Transitional forms are alot like beauty; they are in the eye of the beholder.BK
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ident -- Are you sure that they are transitions or are they relabelling chimeras as "transitions"? The two have very different implications.johnnyb
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Barry, I am reading a very recent book by Darryl Falk who says that a lot of transition fossils have been found in the last 10 years. Do you have any really recent comments that say there are no transitions?

Does he list the finds? -ds

Also, look again at what Darwin predicts: "the number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed, be truly ENORMOUS . . ." The handful of hopefuls that have been put forward in the last few years will never, ever come close to what the theory predicts should be there. It really is a closed case. -- BA

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