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Timaeus Exposes Larry Moran

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All that follows is from UD commenter Timaeus:

Larry Moran wrote:

“I’ve been trying to teach Denyse about evolution for almost twenty years. It’s not working.”

Perhaps teaching is not your strong point, Larry. There is some empirical evidence of that, I believe.

Or perhaps it is expertise that is the problem. Last time I checked your website for your publications on evolutionary theory, I found many popular articles on ID and creationism, and some apparently self-published biochemical data on your university website. I couldn’t find a single article on evolutionary theory in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject for over 10 years into the past. For someone who has so many opinions on evolution, and voices them so loudly in non-professionally-controlled environments such as blog sites, you are surprisingly absent from the professional discussions. Perhaps you can explain the inverse relationship between your popular involvement in debates over evolution and your visibility in the technical books and articles on the subject of evolution.

It strikes me that spending hundreds of hours every year trying to convince ID people and creationists they are wrong would not be as profitable a use of a Toronto professor’s time as actually researching evolutionary mechanisms and publishing the findings at academic conferences, in books, and in journals.

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I’ll take Larry Moran’s silence on my request for a list of his recent peer-reviewed publications in evolutionary biology as a concession that he has no such publications. I.e., I will infer that he is a commentator on debates over evolutionary theory, not an evolutionary theorist himself.

Of course, being a commentator on something is not a bad thing in itself. For someone to say: “Gould says such-and-such about evolutionary mechanisms, and Futuyma says something different, and Coyne says something different, and here are some of the points over which these men have disagreed” — that would be pedagogically useful for many readers. But that’s not the way Larry Moran has ever written about evolution.

Larry writes in this fashion: “Evolution doesn’t happen that way; it happens this way.” That is, Larry does not merely describe what the experts think, and indicate areas of possible strength in weakness in their various views, but tells his readers which views are right and which are wrong, which evolutionary biologists know what they are talking about and which don’t. He poses as someone who can referee the conflicts, who stands above all the others and can pass judgment on their scientific competence and the correctness of their theories, and, in a pinch, when none of them is right, can tell us the way evolution really happened, on his own authority. This is pretty arrogant for a guy with no recent publications in the field, and whose work (as far as I can tell) is never or rarely cited by Shapiro, Newman, Wagner, Jablonka, or any of the other currently important evolutionary theorists.

Larry has an inflated idea of his own importance within evolutionary theory. In fact, in reality, he is just one more of 10,000 guys in the world with a Ph.D. in biology or biochemistry or genetics who is under the illusion that knowing one of those fields automatically makes one an expert on evolutionary theory and evolutionary mechanisms. But the people who actually *do* evolutionary theory seem to take little notice of Larry Moran (or his blog site) at all.

Of course, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Larry regularly gets invited to big conferences on evolutionary theory to be the keynote speaker; maybe his judgments are revered around the world the way Ernst Mayr’s used to be. If so, I’ll be glad to be corrected, and to retract my statements. Someone here can write in with evidence of the hundreds of times Larry’s research on evolutionary mechanisms have been cited in the literature, with the details of the publications Larry hasn’t bothered to list on his web site, etc. What I can see for the moment, however, is that Larry Moran is a nobody in evolutionary theory, a biochemistry teacher at Toronto with an interest in evolutionary theory who is convinced he knows more about it than almost everyone else on the planet, but with no track record to corroborate that opinion.

That’s the problem with the internet age. Through web sites and blogs, it gives people the ability to be prominent, and many readers assume that prominence equals importance. But it doesn’t. The Kardashians and Paris Hilton are as prominent in popular culture as Tom Hanks or Meryl Streep, but they aren’t nearly as important. To be important, as opposed to prominent, one has to demonstrate ability. *Ability*, not the verbal fluency to hold forth on a subject on a blog site. And in science, ability is proved not on blog sites but at conferences, in articles, and in books. So what is needed is a list of Larry’s publications in these venues.

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@Timaeus 42
"I knew personally the entire body of undergrad biochemistry majors at my university (a major research university), and evolutionary theory was no part of their biochemistry program proper."
I buy this 100%. I can say that in my experience in my undergrad (biomedical science and microbiology) I only had a portion of one unit that could be considered big picture Neo-Darwinian theory. Most everything I've learned on NDE has been through autodidactic study. Throughout the whole program concepts of evolution as far as microevolution or adaptation are approached again and again as they relate to the subject. NDE was never really considered relevant to the greater topics.TSErik
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I wonder what Barry Arrington's respone would be if someone attacked his knowledge of law in the same way that Timaeus has sneered at Professor Moran's knowledge of evolution?Seversky
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Wow, Timaeus--what a slam dunk response! Evolutionary theories are right up there with phrenology. lol -QQuerius
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Zachriel: 1. "A biochemist would certainly be trained in evolutionary theory. Biochemistry is a related field, and one that often depends on evolutionary theory. Heat shock proteins, one of Moran’s particular interests, help reveal deep homologies in evolution." This is mostly wrong. I thought you knew something about science, but now I'm beginning to think you are just another internet BSer faking scientific knowledge. Point A. A biochemist is not necessarily "trained in evolutionary theory" *at all* -- and certainly there is nothing in biochemistry programs that makes someone a specialist in evolutionary theory. I knew personally the entire body of undergrad biochemistry majors at my university (a major research university), and evolutionary theory was no part of their biochemistry program proper. Many of them -- those who came in from biology rather than chemistry -- had taken a freshman "genetics and evolution" course -- but that was basic biology taken *before* the biochemistry proper started -- and there was no evolutionary theory in their program after that. Don't make stuff up. Point B. Your claim that biochemistry often depends on evolutionary theory is complete horsecrap. Biochemistry is a 100% a-historical science, whereas evolutionary theory is a historical "science." The dependence is entirely the other way around. You cannot do evolutionary theory without some knowledge of biochemistry, whereas evolutionary theory is parasitic upon solid experimental sciences like biochemistry. If all the evolutionary biologists in the world died tomorrow, biochemistry would carry on just fine. Molecules are what they are, and obey the laws that they obey, and combine and react as they do, and speculations about the evolutionary origins of plants and animals make no difference to those objective laws and chemical operations. Point C. Even if "heat shock proteins" did imply something about evolution, your claim about the dependency of biochemistry on evolutionary theory would not follow. It would mean that from biochemistry (i.e., from the characteristics of "heat shock proteins") we can draw some inferences about evolution, not that we learned anything about the chemical or physical properties of "heat shock proteins" from evolutionary theory. The empirical science (biochemistry) remains independent of the speculative historical theorizing. The speculative inferences (about homologies, etc.) remain contestable, whereas the biochemistry on which the speculations are based, being lab-verified, remains reliable. 2. If you think that biochemistry and evolutionary theory are so necessarily interrelated that a biochemist can just automatically engage in high-level evolutionary theory (which is what we are talking about, Larry Moran, biochemist, posing as the reigning lord of evolutionary theory), then you must agree that Michael Behe, also a biochemist, necessarily knows a great deal about evolutionary theory. Is that your position, that Behe knows a great deal about evolutionary theory because of his training (both doctoral and post-doctoral with the NIH) as a biochemist? Or is your position that only atheist biochemists know lots about evolutionary theory, and Christian biochemists know nothing at all about it? Your remarks are desperate, Zachriel. The fact is, I've asked for proof that Moran has any proper academic track record in evolutionary theory, and neither you nor anyone else here will tell me what Larry has published. I wonder why.Timaeus
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All organisms respond to heat by inducing the synthesis of a group of proteins called the heat-shock proteins or hsps. The response is the most highly conserved genetic system known, existing in every organism in which it has been sought, from archaebacteria to eubacteria, from plants to animals
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June 2, 2015
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Get a life Zachriel.
Heat shock proteins are ubiquitous proteins found in the cells of all studied organisms. Many types of stress, including heat, induce expression of a family of genes known as the heat shock protein genes. Heat shock proteins originally were discovered when it was observed that heat shock produced chromosomal puffs in the salivary glands of fruit flies (Drosophilia). The DNA sequence that makes up this family of genes is highly conserved across species. This family of genes originally was named because of their expression after exposure to heat. However, the genes are now known to be induced by a wide variety of environmental or metabolic stresses that include the following: anoxia, ischemia, heavy metal ions, ethanol, nicotine, surgical stress, and viral agents. Thus, the term “heat shock protein” is a misnomer because many agents other than heat induce the expression of the heat shock protein gene. Consequently, “stress protein” is the preferred term.
HEREMung
June 2, 2015
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Mung: Code words for “have not evolved.” Britannica: "Homology, in biology, similarity of the structure, physiology, or development of different species of organisms based upon their descent from a common evolutionary ancestor."Zachriel
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Zachriel:
Biochemistry is a related field, and one that often depends on evolutionary theory. Heat shock proteins, one of Moran’s particular interests, help reveal deep homologies in evolution.
Deep homologies. Code words for "have not evolved." Can't be explained by evolution? Push it back into the last common ancestor. An entity of ever increasing mythical proportions.Mung
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Timaeus: If Moran regards his blogging as merely a fun activity, the equivalent of a bunch of the boys getting together in the bar after work and BS-ing about all kinds of subjects they know in only a half-baked way, then fine Biochemistry is much more closely related to evolutionary biology than bartending. Timaeus: I did not say that Larry Moran was not a competent scientist and I did not deny that he had publications in biochemistry. I asked for his documented achievements *as an evolutionary theorist*. A biochemist would certainly be trained in evolutionary theory. Biochemistry is a related field, and one that often depends on evolutionary theory. Heat shock proteins, one of Moran's particular interests, help reveal deep homologies in evolution.Zachriel
June 2, 2015
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What I can say with absolute certainty is that Prof Moran believes in magic.Andre
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I maintain, Prof Moran does not understand evolution.Andre
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Now see that ""expert in nonsense "" attacking the true experts because they refute his nonsense : Genomics journal is about to embarrass itself with a special issue on junk DNA The journal Genomics is a journal devoted to the study of genomes. It describes itself like this ... Genomics is a forum for describing the development of genome-scale technologies and their application to all areas of biological investigation. As a journal that has evolved with the field that carries its name, Genomics focuses on the development and application of cutting-edge methods, addressing fundamental questions with potential interest to a wide audience. Our aim is to publish the highest quality research and to provide authors with rapid, fair and accurate review and publication of manuscripts falling within our scope. They claim that all submissiosn are subjected to rigorous peer review and only 25-30% of submissions are accepted for publication. The composition of genomes is important so it's no surprise that the journal is interested in publishing articles that address the junk DNA debate. In fact, it is so interested that it is going to devote a special issue to the subject for publication in February 2016. That's the good news. Now for the bad news .... Special issue on the functionality of genomic DNAs Guest Editors: Prof. Shi Huang State Key Laboratory of Medical Genetics Central South University , China huangshi@sklmg.edu.cn Prof James Shapiro Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology University of Chicago jsha@uchicago.edu The field of genome evolution and population genetics has for the past half of a century assumed that genomic DNA can be divided into functional and non-functional (“junk”) regions. Experimental molecular science has found little evidence for this assumption. A majority of the noncoding parts of the human genome are transcribed, and numerous experimental researchers have now recognized an important functional role in the so called junk DNA regions, such as syn sites, lncRNA, psudogene transcripts, antisense transcripts, microRNA, and mobile elements. In fact, evidence for functional constraints on noncoding genome regions has long been recognized. New theoretical frameworks based on less arbitrary foundations have also appeared in recent years that can coherently account for the reality of far more functional DNAs, as well as all other major known facts of evolution and population genetics. Nonetheless, there still remains a large gap in opinions between bench scientists in experimental biology and those on the theory side in bioinformatics and population genetics. This special issue will aim to close that gap and provide a view of evidence from a perspective that all genome regions have (or can easily acquire) functionality. The special issue on the functionality of genome will focus on the following tentative topics: Theoretical foundation for all genome regions to be functional. It will cover both the theory and all major features of genome evolution. Functional studies on junk DNA regions, including lncRNA sequences, viral DNAs and mobile elements Functionalities associated with genome spatial organization in the nucleus Isocores and compositional constraints on genomes Genetic basis of complex traits and diseases focusing on the collective effects of normal genetic variations Cancer genomics Roles of repetitive DNA elements in major evolutionary transitions Correlations of genome composition and organismal complexity Epigenetics Evo Devo and extended synthesis Important dates: First submission date: July 1, 2015 Deadline for paper submissions: October 1, 2015 Deadline for final revised version: December 1, 2015 Expected publication: February 2016 Some of you will recognize the names of the guest editors. Jim Shapiro is one of the poster boys of Intelligent Design Creationism because he attacks evolutionary theory. He's one of the founders of the "The Third Way." You may be less familiar with Shi Huang. He is also part of the Third Way movement but we've recently learned a lot more about him because he posts comments under the name "gnomon." You can see some of his comments in this thread: Ford Doolittle talks about transposons, junk DNA, ENCODE, and how science should work. Shi Huang appears to have a great deal of difficulty expressing himself in a rational manner. Those guest editors will publish papers that "... provide a view of evidence from a perspective that all genome regions have (or can easily acquire) functionality." In other words, skeptics need not apply. The controversy is over the amount of junk DNA in genomes. There are two sides in this controversy. Many scientists think there is abundant and convincing evidence that most of our genome is junk. Other scientists think that most of our genome is functional. It looks like Genomics is only interested in hearing from the second group of scientists. That's why they appointed guest editors with an obvious bias. Those guest editors also happen to be skating very close to the edge of kookdom. This is not how a credible science journal is supposed to behave.(((( who are you larryboy to say that nonsense )))). Posted by Laurence A. Moran at 11:05 AMs BlogThis! Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest Links to this post 82 comments Labels: Evolutionary Biology, Genes, Genomenad med
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Starbuck: The difference between myself and Moran is that I don't blog regularly on evolution, don't present myself as an expert on evolutionary theory (as opposed to an intelligent person who has done some reading on the subject), and don't pose as the referee on the work of the leading evolutionary theorists regarding evolutionary mechanisms. I don't claim to know how evolution happened and I don't claim to be able to apportion the appropriate causal weight to all the known, alleged, and as yet unknown potential mechanisms. Moran's stance is much less modest, and therefore his claim to knowledge rightly should come under much more scrutiny. It is interesting that evolutionary theory, along with only a few other areas of science (global warming being one), attracts so many bloggers who (a) claim to have expertise in some science, but (b) are not actually specialists in the science they are blogging passionately about. You don't see solid-state physicists blogging passionately about advanced theoretical questions in thermodynamics; you don't see organic chemists blogging passionately about advanced questions in quantum chemistry; you don't see professors of civil engineering blogging passionately about theories in ceramic engineering. Most highly-trained scientists are very reticent to jump into public debate -- either in the academy or in the world of popular discourse -- in areas in which they are not actively researching and publishing. But for some reason, evolutionary theory, climatology, multiverse theory, and a few other areas are like magnets which invite Ph.D.s to recklessly abandon that normal scientific caution and modesty, and weigh in loudly and aggressively. Have you never wondered, Starbuck, why that should be the case? Could it be that something about these particular subjects connects with certain personal or world-view biases that these blogging scientists have? If there is strong emotional involvement with the subject under discussion, all the more is it necessary for the person doing the arguing to establish his track record of sober, emotionally detached research and publication in the area under discussion. I'm quite happy to listen to Larry Moran or anyone else listing what they believe to be the mechanisms of evolutionary change and weighting them and humbly proposing to explain the origin of this or that feature of living things (winged flight, for example, for which I await Larry's evolutionary explanation). I'm not happy to listen to self-appointed referees laying down the law, week after week, in column after column, regarding who is ignorant, who is wrong, etc., in areas in which their own expertise has not been demonstrated.Timaeus
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Zachriel @18: You can't take Amazon comments very seriously, but I laughed when I saw the top two most helpful reviews. The first one concludes: "In all my science courses this is probably the worst book I have ever encountered and have resorted to using other sources for learning most concepts as this book does not explain things clearly." The next review is just as flattering. Anyway, not germane to the substantive issue here, but just gave me a chuckle . . .Eric Anderson
June 2, 2015
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Zachriel @17:
. . . every scientific organization involved in biology supports biological evolution as a scientific theory
"Evolution" defined as what?Eric Anderson
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Zachriel: Your answers are not to the point. I did not say that Larry Moran was not a competent scientist and I did not deny that he had publications in biochemistry. I asked for his documented achievements *as an evolutionary theorist*. I am unaware that most evolutionary theorists consider Larry Moran to be one of their number, and I am unaware of any recent peer-reviewed work of his that is specifically on evolutionary theory. I don't object to a scientist who is not a specialist in a field commenting on that field if and when he has something relevant to say about it; my only objection is to scientists who speak, write, and act as if a field that is only a hobby for them (based on their actual contributions to it, as measured by normal scientific standards) is a field in which they are capable of rendering final judgments. I have met an advanced mathematical cosmologist, holding a post at a major university, who frankly told me that he was incapable of judging some of the work of Hawking, because the mathematical techniques involved were very specialized and difficult; if that is what one *cosmologist* says about some work *in cosmology*, what should a *biochemist* say about the most recent theoretical advances *in evolutionary theory*? Isn't the appropriate stance of such a person the stance of a learner rather than of a judge and referee? If Moran regards his blogging as merely a fun activity, the equivalent of a bunch of the boys getting together in the bar after work and BS-ing about all kinds of subjects they know in only a half-baked way, then fine; I have no objection to scientists letting their hair down in their off-hours -- speculating and making claims that they know in their heart of hearts they can't prove and haven't really researched. But Moran apparently takes himself quite seriously as an evolutionary theorist, and regards himself as having a mission to straighten out, not only IDers and creationists, but even the leading evolutionary theorists themselves. He seems to think of himself as knowing more about evolutionary theory than virtually anyone else on the planet. At least, his way of writing about it gives that impression very strongly. It's this pretension that I'm asking him to justify, by presenting his track record of actual accomplishment in the field, measured in the normal way that science measures accomplishment. Saying, "Look, I have a Ph.D. in a related natural science, I'm really smart, I've read a lot about this and I know a lot about this," is not considered documented accomplishment in any area of natural science known to me.Timaeus
June 2, 2015
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I don't know a single person who rejects evolution as an evidence-based theory that observably occurs. Let's play Prof Moran's game: let's have a discussion when you actually are able to grasp what IDers, heck, even Creationist crackpots like myself object to. Go on. I know you can do it.Dr JDD
June 2, 2015
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Zachriel:
bFast: You didn’t address Larry Moran’s “holier-than-thou, everyone-who-disagrees-with-me-is-an-IDiot attitude” however. Not fond of it. Seen worse, though.
Says the man who refers to himself as a "we". You are not just conceited, Zachriel, you are bloated with it to the point of rupture. LOL.Mapou
June 2, 2015
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Zachriel, "Not fond of it. Seen worse, though." Yes, do you remember that discussion I was trying to have with you on panda's thumb I think it was. Oi your colleagues were harsh, judgemental, holier than thou. Worse than Larry Moran? Yup. My conclusion, evolution has been very poor at adapting considerate, decent evolutionary biologists.bFast
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Mung, "I’ve been told it’s a Canadian thing." Um, we Canadians are known for exactly the opposite.bFast
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How does one acquire such colossal conceit? I've been told it's a Canadian thing.Mung
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Could I lobby for a different title for the OP? The thought of Dr. Moran being exposed ... well ... *shudders*Mung
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as to this claim:
“The theory of evolution has become the central unifying concept of biology and is a critical component of many related scientific disciplines. In contrast, the claims of creation science lack empirical support and cannot be meaningfully tested.”
and this claim:
The contemporary theory of biological evolution is one of the most robust products of scientific inquiry. It is the foundation for research in many areas of biology as well as an essential element of science education.
Those claims are false. As to the false claim that Darwinian evolution is the "central unifying concept of biology and is a critical component of many related scientific disciplines'. Nothing could be further from the truth. Biological science functions quite well without the Darwinian 'just so stories' that are added on as a 'narrative gloss' after discoveries in biology are made.
"Certainly, my own research with antibiotics during World War II received no guidance from insights provided by Darwinian evolution. Nor did Alexander Fleming's discovery of bacterial inhibition by penicillin. I recently asked more than 70 eminent researchers if they would have done their work differently if they had thought Darwin's theory was wrong. The responses were all the same: No.,,, In the peer-reviewed literature, the word "evolution" often occurs as a sort of coda to academic papers in experimental biology. Is the term integral or superfluous to the substance of these papers? To find out, I substituted for "evolution" some other word – "Buddhism," "Aztec cosmology," or even "creationism." I found that the substitution never touched the paper's core. This did not surprise me. From my conversations with leading researchers it had became clear that modern experimental biology gains its strength from the availability of new instruments and methodologies, not from an immersion in historical biology." Philip S. Skell - (the late) Emeritus Evan Pugh Professor at Pennsylvania State University, and a member of the National Academy of Sciences. http://www.discovery.org/a/2816
There is not one major scientific breakthrough that is attributable to the 'Darwinian narrative'
Science Owes Nothing To Darwinian Evolution – Jonathan Wells – (4:32 minute mark) video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfWb8BaXoRc
In fact, the 'Darwinian narrative', is so far as it might have served as a fruitful, and guiding, catalyst for successful exploration into biology, has actually inhibited scientific progress instead of driving science forward (such as junk DNA and vestigial organs, etc..). This is since the Darwinian narrative has given, and continues to give, many foundationally false predictions as to what will be found in biology:
Darwin’s (failed) Predictions – Cornelius G. Hunter – 2015 Excerpt: This paper evaluates 23 fundamental (false) predictions of evolutionary theory from a wide range of different categories. The paper begins with a brief introduction to the nature of scientific predictions, and typical concerns evolutionists raise against investigating predictions of evolution. The paper next presents the individual predictions in seven categories: early evolution, evolutionary causes, molecular evolution, common descent, evolutionary phylogenies, evolutionary pathways, and behavior. Finally the conclusion summarizes these various predictions, their implications for evolution’s capacity to explain phenomena, and how they bear on evolutionist’s claims about their theory. *Introduction Why investigate evolution’s false predictions? Responses to common objections *Early evolution predictions The DNA code is not unique The cell’s fundamental molecules are universal *Evolutionary causes predictions Mutations are not adaptive Embryology and common descent Competition is greatest between neighbors *Molecular evolution predictions Protein evolution Histone proteins cannot tolerate much change The molecular clock keeps evolutionary time *Common descent predictions The pentadactyl pattern and common descent Serological tests reveal evolutionary relationships Biology is not lineage specific Similar species share similar genes MicroRNA *Evolutionary phylogenies predictions Genomic features are not sporadically distributed Gene and host phylogenies are congruent Gene phylogenies are congruent The species should form an evolutionary tree *Evolutionary pathways predictions Complex structures evolved from simpler structures Structures do not evolve before there is a need for them Functionally unconstrained DNA is not conserved Nature does not make leaps *Behavior Altruism Cell death *Conclusions What false predictions tell us about evolution https://sites.google.com/site/darwinspredictions/home Why investigate evolution’s false predictions? Excerpt: The predictions examined in this paper were selected according to several criteria. They cover a wide spectrum of evolutionary theory and are fundamental to the theory, reflecting major tenets of evolutionary thought. They were widely held by the consensus rather than reflecting one viewpoint of several competing viewpoints. Each prediction was a natural and fundamental expectation of the theory of evolution, and constituted mainstream evolutionary science. Furthermore, the selected predictions are not vague but rather are specific and can be objectively evaluated. They have been tested and evaluated and the outcome is not controversial or in question. And finally the predictions have implications for evolution’s (in)capacity to explain phenomena, as discussed in the conclusions.
One should think that such a dramatic failure in the predictive power of a theory would falsify that theory. Yet that stark failure in predictive power for Darwinian evolution just highlights why Darwinism is more properly thought of as a pseudo-science instead of a real science. Darwinism simply has no rigid mathematical basis, as other overarching theories of science have, to experimentally test against so as to potentially falsify its claims.
“On the other hand, I disagree that Darwin’s theory is as `solid as any explanation in science.; Disagree? I regard the claim as preposterous. Quantum electrodynamics is accurate to thirteen or so decimal places; so, too, general relativity. A leaf trembling in the wrong way would suffice to shatter either theory. What can Darwinian theory offer in comparison?” - Berlinski, D., “A Scientific Scandal?: David Berlinski & Critics,” Commentary, July 8, 2003 Active Information in Metabiology – Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, Robert J. Marks II – 2013 Except page 9: Chaitin states [3], “For many years I have thought that it is a mathematical scandal that we do not have proof that Darwinian evolution works.” In fact, mathematics has consistently demonstrated that undirected Darwinian evolution does not work.,, Consistent with the laws of conservation of information, natural selection can only work using the guidance of active information, which can be provided only by a designer. http://bio-complexity.org/ojs/index.php/main/article/view/BIO-C.2013.4/BIO-C.2013.4 “In discussions with biologists I met large difficulties when they apply the concept of ‘natural selection’ in a rather wide field, without being able to estimate the probability of the occurrence in a empirically given time of just those events, which have been important for the biological evolution. Treating the empirical time scale of the evolution theoretically as infinity they have then an easy game, apparently to avoid the concept of purposesiveness. While they pretend to stay in this way completely ‘scientific’ and ‘rational,’ they become actually very irrational, particularly because they use the word ‘chance’, not any longer combined with estimations of a mathematically defined probability, in its application to very rare single events more or less synonymous with the old word ‘miracle.’” Wolfgang Pauli (pp. 27-28) - Pauli’s ideas on mind and matter in the context of contemporary science - Harald Atmanspacher
Popper stated this in regards to the falsifiability of a theory:
"In so far as a scientific statement speaks about reality, it must be falsifiable; and in so far as it is not falsifiable, it does not speak about reality." Karl Popper - The Two Fundamental Problems of the Theory of Knowledge (2014 edition), Routledge
And in regards falsifiability, Intelligent Design is head and shoulders above 'Darwinian narratives' in inviting attempts to falsify its claim that only Intelligence can generate non-trivial levels of functional information and/or complexity:
It’s (Much) Easier to Falsify Intelligent Design than Darwinian Evolution – Michael Behe, PhD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T1v_VLueGk The Law of Physicodynamic Incompleteness - David L. Abel Excerpt: "If decision-node programming selections are made randomly or by law rather than with purposeful intent, no non-trivial (sophisticated) function will spontaneously arise." If only one exception to this null hypothesis were published, the hypothesis would be falsified. Falsification would require an experiment devoid of behind-the-scenes steering. Any artificial selection hidden in the experimental design would disqualify the experimental falsification. After ten years of continual republication of the null hypothesis with appeals for falsification, no falsification has been provided. The time has come to extend this null hypothesis into a formal scientific prediction: "No non trivial algorithmic/computational utility will ever arise from chance and/or necessity alone." https://www.academia.edu/Documents/in/The_Law_of_Physicodynamic_Incompleteness
When push comes to shove scientifically speaking, Darwinists simply have no empirical evidence whatsoever to support their grandiose claims that unguided material processes can generate the unbelievably sophisticated functional complexity we find in life. For instance, four decades worth of lab work is surveyed here, and no evidence for neo-Darwinian evolution surfaces:
“The First Rule of Adaptive Evolution”: Break or blunt any functional coded element whose loss would yield a net fitness gain – Michael Behe – December 2010 Excerpt: In its most recent issue The Quarterly Review of Biology has published a review by myself of laboratory evolution experiments of microbes going back four decades.,,, The gist of the paper is that so far the overwhelming number of adaptive (that is, helpful) mutations seen in laboratory evolution experiments are either loss or modification of function. Of course we had already known that the great majority of mutations that have a visible effect on an organism are deleterious. Now, surprisingly, it seems that even the great majority of helpful mutations degrade the genome to a greater or lesser extent.,,, I dub it “The First Rule of Adaptive Evolution”: Break or blunt any functional coded element whose loss would yield a net fitness gain. http://behe.uncommondescent.com/2010/12/the-first-rule-of-adaptive-evolution/
Michael Behe talks about the preceding paper in this following podcast:
Michael Behe: Challenging Darwin, One Peer-Reviewed Paper at a Time – December 2010 http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-12-23T11_53_46-08_00
For you tech geeks, here is a video that goes through the technical aspects of Behe's paper:
Biological Information - Loss-of-Function Mutations by Paul Giem 2015 - video playlist (Behe - Loss of function mutations are far more likely to fix in a population than gain of function mutations) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzD3hhvepK8&index=20&list=PLHDSWJBW3DNUUhiC9VwPnhl-ymuObyTWJ
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bFast: You didn’t address Larry Moran’s “holier-than-thou, everyone-who-disagrees-with-me-is-an-IDiot attitude” however. Not fond of it. Seen worse, though. Galileo apparently got everyone's dander up, while Newton was just weird and prickly.Zachriel
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These days they introduce bloggers as experts on radio shows and events....Andre
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Zachriel, nice defense. Evidence based. You didn't address Larry Moran's “holier-than-thou, everyone-who-disagrees-with-me-is-an-IDiot attitude” however. In case you get tempted to think that all IDers would see all opponents as "holier than thou", let me point out two who are not. For starters, I have enjoyed dialoging with you over the years. You make an evidenciary case. You dialog with respect. The other was Dr. MacNeil. I miss him. I think that this site sorely needs well-studied, respectful, opponents. I hang out here to learn. I am very happy to learn where I am wrong. Larry Moran has been good at getting my dander up. He hasn't been very good at all at teaching me. (Though I do have a richer understanding of his pet theory -- neutral theory. But I got there by pulling teeth, and by having his keyboard yell at me that I am an idiot repeatedly.)bFast
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Timaeus , forget recent, lets see any peer reviewed publications that you have published in evolutionary biology, i bet we'll hear cricketsStarbuck
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Meanwhile, Larry Moran wrote the textbook, Principles of Biochemistry, now in its 5th edition, which is based on an evolutionary approach to teaching biochemistry. http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Biochemistry-Edition-Laurence-Moran/dp/0321707338Zachriel
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EugeneS: Given all that, I doubt the authority of that claim. What you mean is that you quibble with the claim. The authority itself is substantial. As this is a thread concerning ad hominem, and its counterpart, authority, we note that virtually every scientific organization involved in biology supports biological evolution as a scientific theory.
American Association for the Advancement of Science: The contemporary theory of biological evolution is one of the most robust products of scientific inquiry. It is the foundation for research in many areas of biology as well as an essential element of science education. http://archives.aaas.org/docs/resolutions.php?doc_id=432
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Timaeus You are to be commended for a well written take-down and for obviously having the patience to actually read L. Moran's posts. I find them of little value and usually just skip over them and go straight to the responses. I feel sorry for his students who find themselves in a captive audience. What would you say to those who might dismiss your posts as ad-hominem attacks? I don't think they are but I expect you could articulate why in a more succinct manner. Cheers, StevesteveO
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