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To the Barbarians Who Toppled George Washington’s Statue:

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You live in the country that Washington founded. Did he found it single-handedly? No, but he was the indispensable man. His efforts were not alone sufficient, but they were necessary, and without him there would have been no founding.

Every single person in this country owes him an eternal debt of gratitude for the indispensable role he played in founding a country that, while far from perfect, would in the fullness of time become the greatest nation that has ever existed in the history of the planet.

244 years later you people stand on his shoulders. And from that vantage you shit on him because he was not perfect and failed to found a leftist egalitarian utopia. Your ingratitude is staggering

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@ed there’s a lot of movement now to rename Yale precisely because of that. They might do it. I support it. I’ve got some friends who graduated there who want to see that.Retired Physicist
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When are the SJWs going to storm Yale named after a slave trader and owner? Where is the outrage?
If it was truly named after a slave trader, by all means, rename it.Ed George
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When are the SJWs going to storm Yale named after a slave trader and owner? Where is the outrage? Vividvividbleau
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Seversky! Comment of the month! "We have come to take for granted the relative political and social stability of the last few decades but it is more fragile than people think and most people would definitely not like the alternative." https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/to-the-barbarians-who-toppled-george-washingtons-statue/#comment-704949 Yes, exactly. Most people frustrated by bad police forces have not truly thought through the alternatives to just reforming the force Alternatives generally are: You have what rights a local power source gives you. Not - I suggest - a substitute for anything like US1A (the First Amendment to the US Constitution, which kicked off so much intellectual freedom). I speak here as a Canadian but have never heard anything so liberating as "Congress shall make no law respecting freedom of the press"News
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Some local police departments are rotten. So? Fix them. Don’t throw out the concept. That’s just a backward step for civilization and freedom of thought.
This doesn't happen often but I am bound to say that I fully agree with this post. A legislature can enact all the laws it wants but, without the means to enforce them, they are not worth the paper they are written on. Without police you are turning over the streets to gangsters and warlords - basically anyone who has the manpower and the weapons to impose their will on others. And they are not going to be stopped by well-meaning social workers or psychotherapists, more like the social workers and psychotherapists will be "stopped" by the thugs. I remember ordinary Afghans being interviewed about how they felt falling under the rule of the Taliban many years ago. What struck me was that, while they didn't like the extreme form of Islam they were subjected to, they were not entirely unhappy since the Taliban did bring a degree of stability. The unbridled lawlessness, violence and corruption of the warlords was suppressed and that was almost worth the price. We have come to take for granted the relative political and social stability of the last few decades but it is more fragile than people think and most people would definitely not like the alternative. Anyone who thinks another civil war would be a good idea has never lived through one, Ask the people elsewhere in the world whose countries have been torn apart by one and see if they think it was a good idea. Read the accounts of ordinary people who lived through the American Civil War and see if they thought it was a good idea.Seversky
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News @6: Thank you for posting this. It's easy for me to overlook these very basic things because I don't have to deal with them much as a man.daveS
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People who vandalizing and topple statues should be charged. However, protesting and advocating for their removal is completely acceptable. Removing statues of Washington or the founding fathers would be a tough sell because slavery isn’t what they were advocating for. Lee and other confederate statues on the other hand...Ed George
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The Buddhas didn't have anyone protecting them. Sandstone is very different from quartz monzonite. I would love to see the carnage of a group of protesters intent on destroying Stone Mountain.ET
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I want to say a word on behalf of the police (that some want to defund): The police did more to liberate women than any screeching feminist. First, the police are the single best effort Western civilization has made toward equal justice under law. They only began to exist in the 19th century and the purpose was equality of safety for all members of society (not just those who could bear arms and/or had supporters). An elderly African American lady in Savannah and I in Canada have exactly the same interest in going to church on the bus in peace. No one is allowed to board her bus in Georgia or mine in Canada and hold us up. Why? Because the police would come. They have guns and know how to use them. We don't but it doesn't matter. We pay taxes for them to have guns. Centuries ago, neither she nor I would have been able to go to church without male companions as guards. So whether we could even go to church depended on the opinions of (some local) men. That's the difference the police made. They liberate so many people in ways that some today don't even realize. Some local police departments are rotten. So? Fix them. Don't throw out the concept. That's just a backward step for civilization and freedom of thought.News
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ET@4 See Buddhas of Bamyan Antifa and their fellow travelers will be happy to use high explosives on it. I highly recommend Introduction to Critical Theory if you want to understand how even language and reason have been hijacked by these movements.Latemarch
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Good luck toppling Stone Mountain, morons. That's Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson carved into quartz monzonite.ET
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Statues and flags are symbols. Defending a symbol is playing the enemy's game. Deepstate wants us to dissipate our energy and outrage on meaningless symbols. Stick to defending plain old life and truth, which are under final murderous assault.polistra
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We're dealing with people who ignore the imperfections of their own heroes as they demonize everyone else. Charles Darwin was a racist who believed men were superior to women. He is the root of the eugenicist tree from which a lot of horrors arose. Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist and managed to pass a sterilization law into place in California. The National Socialists were looking at a number of countries and states to find an existing law to put in place and settled on California. The Nazis referred to their sterilization law as the California Plan. The history of the Democratic party is based on racism and slavery. The Klan was created to be the militant wing of the Democratic party. Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat, segregated the federal government and the military. FDR did not alter a single policy put in place by Wilson. Eisenhower, a Republican, was the one who brought segregation to an end. The Dixiecrats came about in 1948, not 1968, and not a single state that had been Dixiecrat in 1948 voted for Eisenhower in 1952. The Dixiecrats all went back to being Democrats.BobRyan
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The Virginia colony, During Washington's time, had a law on the books which carried through statehood of the newly formed United States. No slave owner could free any slave as long as there was any debt. All slave owners had debt, which was the reason for the law. Upon his death, George Washington freed every slave he owned, which was legal at the time.BobRyan
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