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UD has a broad and deep pool of readers and occasional contributors from across the world that have a lot to say, things that are well worth pondering. In this case, I am more than happy to host a guest post in which physicist and computer scientist ES (who hails from Russia) argues the thesis:

No linguistic processing occurs in the case of memory of a material that is exclusively explainable in terms of physical interactions between particles of that material, whereas the basic architecture of life is inherently linguistic.

Let us now ponder:

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Biological memory vs. memory of materials

[Eugen S, UD November 7, 2016]

Contemporary technology allows us to make self-deploying structures that can revert to their previous state. This kind of structures are used in space, medicine, forensic science, navigation, etc. They are said to have memory of shape or even possess heredity. Wait a minute… Everybody knows that heredity is a property of life. Isn’t that interesting?

Let’s take a quick look at the kind of memory a material like a smart alloy or a polymer foam has and compare it with biological memory. Let’s see if the common terminology reflects any inherent phenomenological similarities.

Materials with memory

The memory of a material is exclusively a result of physical interactions between its particles. A great many processes in nature, including memory of shape, can be thought of as manifestations of one powerful physical principle, the principle of minimum total potential energy.

The minimum total potential energy principle is a fundamental concept that describes the physical behaviour of matter. It dictates that (at low temperatures) a structure or body shall deform or displace to a position that (locally) minimizes the total potential energy, with the lost potential energy being converted into kinetic energy (specifically heat) [Wikipedia, Minimum total potential energy principle]. In other words, it is a tendency of a physical system towards an equilibrium state.

This principle is the basis of many natural phenomena:

  • mechanical or electromagnetic oscillations;
  • elliptic shapes of planetary orbits;
  • ellipsoidal shapes of planets and stars;
  • stability of mechanical structures;
  • stability of mechanical systems’ motion;
  • spherical shapes of soap bubbles;
  • crystallization;
  • precipitation;
  • convection patterns;
  • interference patterns;
  • sand dunes;
  • Moire stripes;
  • etc.

Smart alloys such as nickel titanium (nitinol) exhibit two closely related and unique properties: shape memory effect (SME) and superelasticity (SE) (also called pseudoelasticity (PE)) [Wikipedia, Shape memory alloys]. Shape memory is the ability of nitinol to undergo deformation at one temperature, then recover its original, undeformed shape upon heating above its transformation temperature. Superelasticity occurs at a narrow temperature range just above its transformation temperature; in this case, no heating is necessary to cause the undeformed shape to recover, and the material exhibits enormous elasticity, some 10-30 times that of ordinary metal [Wikipedia, Nickel-titanium].

In the case of memory foam, the effect of the long term preservation of shape is achieved by maximizing plasticity characteristics of an artificial polymer.

In all these cases, an elementary particle is mechanically stressed, which causes its deformation over time. Deformation may be caused by external force or temperature gradients in the alloy. Particles of matter under stress will tend to move in such a way that their total potential energy is minimal.

smart_alloyz

Fig.1. Smart alloys are used in mechanical structures where regaining the original form is critical. Source: GCSE Chemistry.

In more complex cases, the behaviour of a material may depend not only on its mechanical properties and the current state (temperature, alloy composition, etc.) but also on previous states. Examples of such systems and processes include:

  • self-induced oscillatory processes, such as the famous chemical clock (e.g. the Belousov-Zhabotinski autocatalytic reaction);
  • hysteretic effects;
  • fluctuations far from the thermodynamic equilibrium;
  • chaos.

The behaviour of these non-linear systems is also exclusively a result of particle dynamics even though its detailed scientific description would require far more sophisticated modelling than for some of the previous examples.

For example: Mechanical characteristics of memory foam are optimized for long term plasticity. These materials are heavily used in medicine, forensic science, fine arts, etc.

Biological memory

In organisms, in contrast, heredity is organized using symbolic memory that is non-existent in naturally occurring non-living systems. The functioning of biological heredity depends on interpretation of material tokens (signs) that prescribe the motion of elementary particles that the genetic information translation system consists of. Triplets of messenger RNA nucleotides (they are called codons) acting as tokens are interpreted by the translation system to evoke specific physical effects, i.e. the synthesis of a polypeptide foldable into functional proteins, in accordance with a translation protocol.

Protein Synthesis (HT: Wiki Media)
Protein Synthesis (HT: Wiki Media)

Fig.3. Genetic information translation process. Wikipedia.
The necessary condition a physical structure must satisfy to serve as a symbolic information storage is that it should be physically indeterminate (energy degenerate). Here is how physicist Howard Pattee formulates it: […A]ll symbol vehicles obey physical laws and have, in principle, a physical description, but that does not imply that they are physically determined. Quite the contrary is true. Such a degenerate sequence structure can have an immense number of physically indeterminate sequences [Pattee 2007]. An example of such symbolic information storage is messenger RNA. It is capable of serving as information medium because any of the four nucleotides (A, C, U or G) that are the building blocks of RNA oligomers can polymerize any other in aqueous solutions without any physico-chemical bias.

The codon-to-amino acid correspondence is realized by transport RNAs charged with the ‘correct’ amino acids corresponding to messenger RNA codons. The correspondence between codons and the twenty proteinogenic amino acids exists as a small set of formal rules known as the genetic code.

So the functioning of biological heredity is irreducible to exclusively the dynamics of elementary particles in the field of intermolecular forces. The dynamics of the system itself is prescribed by the sequence of codons in messenger RNA.

What does this all mean?

As we can see, there is no inherent similarity between the physical memory of shape in a material and the inherently formal, symbolic genetic memory of organisms. Biological memory as a phenomenon is totally different from memory of shape. Clearly, then, when we say that a material has memory we only draw a weak superficial analogy to the biological heredity mechanism.

Life is distinguished from non-life by its dependence on material construction under the control of coded symbolic description [Pattee 2007].

The messenger RNA translation system is a linguistic machine. A linguistic machine is the interpreter in the following tuple:

{data, protocol, interpreter}.

A linguistic machine takes as input signals from its environment or from a channel of communication with other linguistic machines and interprets them as data according to a specified protocol (a set of rules) and performs actions meaningful in the context where the machine operates. Examples of linguistic machines are artificial information processing systems (such as autopilots, automated decision support systems, etc.), computer language processors and even mathematics.

No linguistic processing occurs in the case of memory of a material that is exclusively explainable in terms of physical interactions between particles of that material, whereas the basic architecture of life is inherently linguistic.
Resources:

  1. Wikipedia.
  2. Howard Pattee. The Physics and Metaphysics of Biosemiotics. In Biosemiotics: Information, Codes and Signs in Living Systems. M. Barbieri (ed.), 2007, pp.219-234.

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A distinction well worth pondering. Let us now pause and discuss ES’s thesis and substantiation. END

Comments
I was thinking (#16) why there was so little challenge or opposition. Then rvb8 comes along. :-) Come on, rvb -- you really need to do a lot better than that.Silver Asiatic
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rvb8
Proteins in one cell are made of molecules which naturally (following the laws of physics) bind to the protein locks in another part of the cell, and your woo ‘information” is transferred; big deal?
It should be pretty easy to falsify ID theory on this point. All you have to do is explain the precise laws of physics (or what chemical properties if you want) that determine how DNA codes for proteins. You're also saying that a claim that an information transfer occurs in that process is 'woo', right?Silver Asiatic
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Rvb8, You may choose to use "select" instead of "choose". It does not make any difference to my argument. The remainder of your comment 37 is void of any meaning, I am afraid. No information translation is possible without the said arbitrariness. Genetic information translation is only possible due to absence of any chemical bias in nucleotide polymerization (any of {A,C,U,G} can polymerize any other). Your criticism would have been meaningful if you had shown a purely naturalistic way for the complex {data,protocol,interpreter} to arise. The RNA world hypothesis does not achieve that. Ask yourself why it is not possible to play chess on a vertically positioned wooden chessboard.EugeneS
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Upright BiPed, Thanks very much! Yes, I was a bit baffled by the criticism against my use of "choose" instead of "select". It is void of any substance ;)EugeneS
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Dionisio, Unfortunately I cannot comment on morphogenesis as this is not my topic. I only know that other biologic codes apart from genetic code have been identified recently (membrane code is one of them).EugeneS
November 9, 2016
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Evgeny, congratulations on a truly fine OP.Upright BiPed
November 9, 2016
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rv, When Evgeny says "evolution chooses from among already available alternatives", he is merely saying that evolution doesn’t select for future function (which is the very next sentence in his post). If you’re freaking over the word “choose” (as opposed to select), you can rest assured that ES is merely using “choose” as the outcome of selection. Moreover, the point he is making is one that you wouldn’t argue with, so whatever.
… its called mutation followed by selection
I believe you are one of the people I saw lamenting a lack of scientific topics on UD, so I have a science question for you. In 1955, Francis Crick proposed a yet unknown set of “adapter” molecules that he predicted would be necessary to connect the pattern of nucleic acids in DNA to the amino acids they specify during translation. Three years later Mahlon Hoagland and Paul Zamecnik discovered the tRNA adapters that Crick predicted would exist. They also found the complex proteins (aaRS) that are required to bind those tRNA with their individual amino acid cargo - establishing the Genetic Code. This all makes sense with the physicalist axiom (as naturalist philosopher Alex Rosenberg puts it) that “no clump of matter is about any other clump of matter”. In other words, a codon in DNA is obviously not “about” the amino acid it specifies during translation, and thus, Crick’s adapter molecule is required to establish a systematic association within the process of translation. And of course, all of this is exactly what is found inside the cell; there is an “adapter” tRNA for every amino acid, and there is an aaRS to load every adapter with its correct amino acid (in accordance with the code). The association of anticodon-to-amino acid is made when the aaRS loads the correct amino acid to the tRNA adapter (establishing the genetic code), and then the codon-to-anticodon association is made when the charged tRNA adapter enters the ribosome to deliver its amino acid cargo (to be bound to the new protein). None of this is even slightly controversial, and is taught in every biology textbook on the surface of the planet. In the genetic translation process, the sequence of codons in DNA establishes the order of amino acids to be bound to the nascent protein, and in a separate process, the aaRS establishes which amino acid will be associated with each codon. My question to you is: Do you think Crick, Rosenberg (and the rest of the planet) have it right? Given that a codon cannot be “about” an amino acid, is a correctly loaded tRNA adapter required to establish the systematic association?Upright BiPed
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Silver Asiatic @34:
I do notice that there is not as much opposition to ID here as in the past.
Could that have anything to do with gpuccio and other serious folks here always winning the debates with the politely dissenting interlocutors? Besides, as more research papers get published less room is left for the politely dissenting interlocutors to maneuver with their just-so stories.Dionisio
November 8, 2016
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EugeneS, "evolution chooses from among already available alternatives." No, it does not, as it can not 'choose' anything. The 'already available alternatives', are changing (increasing, decreasing) all the time, its called mutation followed by selection. This one sentence is so egrgious as to bring its writer into question. Here's the question; 'Do you not understand the equation RM+NS=Evolution?' This communication between cells is also not linguistic. Proteins in one cell are made of molecules which naturally (following the laws of physics) bind to the protein locks in another part of the cell, and your woo 'information'' is transferred; big deal? It's the most natural process and is understandable. Which is a lot more than can be said of this psudo-intellectual drivel.rvb8
November 8, 2016
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Dionisio, I am not sure why I keep coming here. Entertainment I think. I used to enjoy watching the contest between opposing views, and I guess I keep checking in in case that kind of thing starts up again.Pindi
November 8, 2016
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Pindi I agree that debates here have cooled down somewhat and you're probably right that banned people wouldn't want to return anyway. At the same time, I do recall arguments here that went far beyond respectful exchanges, so I fully support the actions to ban those individuals. I checked out TSZ (noticing a number of UD names) and much of it does not seem to be hard science at all. In fact it seems to be a parallel of UD. I certainly don't see the kind of original research that AhmedKiaan seems to think needs to be part of this blog. But the dialogue is lively in several places, true. Where there is widespread agreement that will reduce the activity, so that may be the case here also.Silver Asiatic
November 8, 2016
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AhmedKiaan I disagree that there's not much to talk about here. On the contrary, there seems to be a lot of new material daily. But as I said earlier, I do notice that there is not as much opposition to ID here as in the past.Silver Asiatic
November 8, 2016
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EugeneS, Do you think morphogenesis could be used as an illustration of interesting cases of the tuple {data, protocol, interpreter} associated with the morphogen gradient formation and posterior interpretation?Dionisio
November 8, 2016
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SA "Greater complexity, organization and interactivity is more costly — and evolution would necessarily seek lower costs not greater." I agree. As David Abel puts it, evolution chooses from among already available alternatives. It does not choose for a future function. "I would enjoy and appreciate seeing your argumentation on this." Thank you for your credit. This is how I see it. Basically, in inanimate matter we have a very limited set of scenarios: chaos, regularity and phase transitions in between. Life, on the contrary, is characterized by complex pragmatic function, open-endedness and creativity. With open-endedness, living systems are empowered by the ability to adapt. However, I view evolution as only oscillations around the already existing functional basins. No genuine function novelty is achievable in real life just by means of biological evolution. Simply because biological evolution has no foresight. As soon as one adds foresight to the equation, it stops being evolution. It is something else, a progression of states towards a set goal. Evolution has no goal by definition. In cellular automata there is a theoretic result proving the existence of so called gardens of Eden, i.e. automaton states S* that are not reachable by a given automaton other than by setting its initial state to be S*: S(t=0) = S*. This relates, BTW, to BA's appropriately chosen initial conditions. There is no adequate naturalistic explanation for the semiotic core of the organization of life, i.e. of the tuple {data,protocol,interpreter} I mention in the OP. In order for something (e.g. an oligomer) to serve as information medium there must be inherent arbitrariness, multiplicity of alternative states to choose from in order to achieve some goal meaningful at a system level. This is why I think no attempt to explain life origin exclusively in terms of chemistry or physics will ever be successful. No such attempt addresses the most important question, i.e. the question about the origin of the first instruction to the first processor. Since for an instruction instantiated into physical medium there must be no particular physical or chemical bias, there is no exclusively physical or chemical way towards the first complex {data,protocol,interpreter}. It needs deliberate tuning. Inanimate nature does not do anything in order to. It could not care less if anything works as a system. For a system to appear it takes a unifying principle, pragmatic purpose which is embodied in the form of rules of behaviour. Rules are not constraints of physical necessity. Rules are arbitrary (not contrary) to natural regularities. Consequently, rules are not reducible to physical necessity. However, life is organized based on rules. A scientist who wants to account for life only by means of physics or chemistry is trying to enthusiastically build a house knowing that there are dozen other people demolishing, as enthusiastically as himself, what he has just managed to build...EugeneS
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gpuccio: I'm curious to know AhmedKiaan's answer to your question @23.Dionisio
November 8, 2016
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Pindi @29: And what's your answer to that good question? Again, what is the addiction (@27) that keeps you so active for so long in this allegedly 'boring' blog ? Are you telling us that you cannot answer such an easy question?Dionisio
November 8, 2016
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Dionisio, good question.Pindi
November 8, 2016
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Pindi @27:
it’s almost like an addiction. Pretty harmless one though I guess. Better than cigarettes..
Addiction to what specifically?Dionisio
November 8, 2016
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Dionisio, yes, it's almost like an addiction. Pretty harmless one though I guess. Better than cigarettes..Pindi
November 8, 2016
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Pindi @24: If it's so much more interesting in another blog, why are you hanging on here for so long? What keeps you from leaving this allegedly 'boring' forum and enjoying the real discussions somewhere else? Really puzzling, isn't it?Dionisio
November 8, 2016
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gpuccio @23: Oh, what a question! Well done! :)Dionisio
November 8, 2016
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Just to echo what AhmedKiaan is saying, I don't think any of the banned people would be very interested in returning as there is very little scientific discussion here anymore. Gpuccio is an exception, as is HeKS, but the overt theists are running rampant here now. Thee is more debate at TSZ where 3 or 4 very strong ID commentators are a regular part of the discussions there now. For that matter the anti-ID commentators at TSZ have pretty strident debates amongst themselves also and pull no punches with each other, which is something that doesn't happen much here - you all tend to agree and support each other, so not much interesting comes out. My 2 cents.Pindi
November 8, 2016
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AhmedKiaan; What do you think of this thread? Just to know.gpuccio
November 8, 2016
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I don't know what more this place could do, actually.AhmedKiaan
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"I’ve been away from UD for a while and upon returning it just seems that some very good posts here do not get challenged from opposition. I assumed that it was because we lost many opponents from banning – and perhaps they learned a lesson on how to interact appropriately here." There's not a lot to talk about here. I tried to get PaV to post about how the whole HIV/AIDS/Medical/Scientific establishment is committing fraud, which he seems to think, but he doesn't want to. In the meantime, News posts x number of science links a week, bornagain does his cut and paste thing, Kairosfocus talks about his unique sciency acronyms, there's a few people dorm-room philosophizing, and...that's about it.....AhmedKiaan
November 8, 2016
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ES
Yes, as you walk up the organization ladder in the bioshere, you get progressively more complexity, layers and layers of overlaid complexity.
Greater complexity, organization and interactivity is more costly -- and evolution would necessarily seek lower costs not greater. The same result (survival and reproduction) can be achieved for much less. The massive complexity and order is extravagant and unnecessary.
What is important for me, is the transition between life and non-life is not just chemistry, not just a matter of degree, but a matter of kind. There is no gradualism here, there is a chasm.
In classical metaphysics, it's an ontological difference. Because, as you write, there are decision-making functions, this cannot be the result of an entirely deterministic process.
I do believe though that provided one has no a priori philosophical bias towards materialism, it is possible to demonstrate using exclusively material means that naturalism already simply fails to account for life as we know it today (and progressively more so in the future).
I would enjoy and appreciate seeing your argumentation on this.Silver Asiatic
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SA Thanks! Yes, as you walk up the organization ladder in the bioshere, you get progressively more complexity, layers and layers of overlaid complexity. What is important for me, is the transition between life and non-life is not just chemistry, not just a matter of degree, but a matter of kind. There is no gradualism here, there is a chasm. "although we see from rvb8’s response that it is the analogy that materialists would use" I do believe though that provided one has no strong a priori philosophical bias towards materialism, it is possible to demonstrate using exclusively material means that naturalism already fails to account for life as we know it today.EugeneS
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Thanks, ES. Very good OP by the way also. For me, the biggest challenge on this topic is in providing clarity, and I think you did it here. The concept of retention of information in memory is important, and the memory foam is a great example of a purely physical analogy that doesn't work (although we see from rvb8's response that it is the analogy that materialists would use). It's too easy to think of language as merely an exchange of symbols, which then can be equated to something like chemical bonds. But the use of language requires memory storage of the language rules. Both sender and receiver have the same rules stored. And language necessarily requires the use of logic - which also requires memory storage and retrieval. There is "if then" logic found in many instances in biology, where organisms not only receive messages and apply them, but give feedback (if a flower, and rich in nectar and non-toxic, tell the hive about it). Now the entire reason, supposed by evolution, for a feedback loop where information is gathered, stored and then shared in a two-way process is ... the preservation of the species? If so, then evolution is optimized to prevent diversification into new species. It's not enough to ask why organisms are driven, fighting against hostile pressures, to survive and reproduce -- but we have to ask why they are driven to preserve their own species to such a degree that they learn languages used to communicate about dangers and threats, not to the individual, but to the hive (or with some birds, even to birds of not their own species).Silver Asiatic
November 8, 2016
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ES as to:
"Decisions are what is not there in physics ,,,the agent configures the physical system by instantiating rules of behaviour."
This may be of related interest for you:
Forever quantum: physicists demonstrate everlasting quantum coherence – October 14, 2016 by Lisa Zyga Excerpt: “The trick lies in the fact that local decoherence acts in a preferred direction, which is perpendicular to the one in which coherence is measured,” Adesso explained. “Consequently, the resulting quantum states are overall degraded by such noise, but their observed coherence remains unaffected during the dynamics if the initial conditions are suitably chosen.” http://phys.org/news/2016-10-quantum-physicists-everlasting-coherence.html
‘Suitably chosen’ being the key phrase. In other words, ‘suitably chosen’ means to intelligent design the initial conditions in such a way so as to maintain quantum coherence in spite of noise. Just how 'suitably chosen' life is in order to maintain quantum coherence in spite of noise is touched upon here:
Quantum criticality in a wide range of important biomolecules Excerpt: “Most of the molecules taking part actively in biochemical processes are tuned exactly to the transition point and are critical conductors,” they say. That’s a discovery that is as important as it is unexpected. “These findings suggest an entirely new and universal mechanism of conductance in biology very different from the one used in electrical circuits.” The permutations of possible energy levels of biomolecules is huge so the possibility of finding even one that is in the quantum critical state by accident is mind-bogglingly small and, to all intents and purposes, impossible.,, of the order of 10^-50 of possible small biomolecules and even less for proteins,”,,, “what exactly is the advantage that criticality confers?” https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/the-origin-of-life-and-the-hidden-role-of-quantum-criticality-ca4707924552
further notes as to 'suitably chosen' initial conditions https://uncommondescent.com/physics/quantum-superposition-now-clocked-at-as-long-as-a-second/#comment-619243bornagain77
November 8, 2016
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WJM
Why give them the satisfaction of disrupting discussions in order to get banned yet again to replenish their reserve of self-righteous outrage?
That would not be very good, true. I've been away from UD for a while and upon returning it just seems that some very good posts here do not get challenged from opposition. I assumed that it was because we lost many opponents from banning - and perhaps they learned a lesson on how to interact appropriately here. But perhaps the better reason is that ID arguments are so much stronger that nobody can really challenge them. The sound of quietness from our opposition is a sound of victory for ID. So, that's a very good thing! (I wouldn't want trolling, empty arguments just for the sake of activity anyway).Silver Asiatic
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